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ToxicSlurpee posted:Of course my idealist/sciency side says that a significant number of humans are going to look around and go "lol gently caress this place" and bugger off into somewhere in space. Lord knows I'd be in that crowd if I had the chance. Personally I'd rather die on Earth than hang out with some rich fucks on a spacecraft for all eternity, cause the issue isn't "lol gently caress this place" it's "lol gently caress humanity".
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Radbot posted:Personally I'd rather die on Earth than hang out with some rich fucks on a spacecraft for all eternity, cause the issue isn't "lol gently caress this place" it's "lol gently caress humanity". But if you go on the spacecraft, you can sabotage it and have your gleefully cackling face beaming down from the massive viewscreens as the beeping timer ticks away the seconds until the innards of the ship are exposed to hard vacuum.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:I had to explain all day, every day that we got all the pumpkin we could, nobody had any, and we couldn't get any and no I won't check in the back, I'm serious, we don't freaking have any pumpkin. It looks like global warming is a component of it, if not outright the cause, but all people do is blame the store. Come on, we know you keep the good ones out the back for you and your friends.
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katlington posted:Come on, we know you keep the good ones out the back for you and your friends. I actually got repeatedly accused of buying all the pumpkin myself to sell on eBay. People "just knew" that we were hoarding it to sell it for a bigger markup. Because apparently I, a retail employee, had enough money just laying around to buy canned pumpkin by the pallet, had a place to store it all, and not lose money on shipping costs for such an endeavor.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:I actually got repeatedly accused of buying all the pumpkin myself to sell on eBay. People "just knew" that we were hoarding it to sell it for a bigger markup. Well, hope you were super-friendly and full of unhelpful advice, like using canned beets as a substitute. Retail sucks but you gotta make the most of it.
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Trabisnikof posted:That's far from certain, as that article even points out, <2C is still a possibility. Which is rather incredible when you think about our recklessness. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX5jNnDMfxA
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In the end, the answer is vastly different between "how many lives would global socialism save while also saving the world from carbon?" and "how many additional deaths occurred over adjusted norms occurred due to effects of climate change?"
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Someone linked me to this goofballs site today: http://realclimatescience.com/ His real name is Steven Goddard. The guy is obviously nuts.
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Radbot posted:Personally I'd rather die on Earth than hang out with some rich fucks on a spacecraft for all eternity, cause the issue isn't "lol gently caress this place" it's "lol gently caress humanity". We could turn this planet into the next fallout game and it would still be more habitable than loving space. You'd have to literally defy the laws of physics to find a better place to live in a lifetime regardless if even the most catastrophic GCC theories come true.
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tsa posted:We could turn this planet into the next fallout game and it would still be more habitable than loving space. You'd have to literally defy the laws of physics to find a better place to live in a lifetime regardless if even the most catastrophic GCC theories come true. You are such a buzzkill. We should go to space because we can and we should.
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yeah think of space funding like arts and humanities funding except you get technological development and jobs as a side effect also something something blowing up asteroids
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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CommieGIR posted:His real name is Steven Goddard. The guy is obviously nuts. One of my major sources of bile fascination lately has been guys like this. There's an entire vague subculture of anti-industrialist preppers, many of whom are naturally on Reddit, who sit around trying to figure out what's going to reduce the world to a Mad Max movie within the next fifteen years, whether it's an economic war with China, an anti-1% revolution, an ecological catastrophe, or wars touched off by climate change and/or immigrant influx. The best of them tend to be the ones who've written near-future post-apocalyptic novels.
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Fruity Rudy posted:Hurricane Patricia is apparently now the most powerful storm ever recorded in history:  "See? The NOAA is lying to us, modifying their data?!"My friend actually believes this.
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Fruity Rudy posted:Hurricane Patricia is apparently now the most powerful storm ever recorded in history: And it's a Pacific Hurricane too. It'd be interesting to see the response if it made landfall around California, but fortunately the California Current saves the West Coast from those sorts of things.
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computer parts posted:And it's a Pacific Hurricane too. It'd be interesting to see the response if it made landfall around California, but fortunately the California Current saves the West Coast from those sorts of things. I've heard some speculation that the sudden intense rainfall from Patricia could lead to flash flooding in California. But in the Mexico landfall this storm is going to be an unprecedented and almost certainly catastrophic event.
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I'm probably naive and stupid, but I can't even remember hearing about a hurricane on this side of Mexico. Every hurricane I've ever heard about has been in the Gulf or on the East coast. Edit: I take that back, there was a storm awhile back that brought some crazy weather to San Diego, but that was the first. This is like the second in a few months.
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Oct 23, 2015 14:42
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TO SPACE! *leaves billions behind to die of famine and war*
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Marijuana Nihilist posted:TO SPACE! Aw man, war and famine? I guess we can't do anything then. Gotta solve social problems that are nigh unsolvable first.
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Marijuana Nihilist posted:TO SPACE! Such a tired and stupid point of view.
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I too put all my faith into the pseudoreligious philosophy of russian cosmism Seriously though, have fun with your alpha centauri cosplay
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Marijuana Nihilist posted:I too put all my faith into the pseudoreligious philosophy of russian cosmism Yeah, because we're suggesting we throw ALL our resources at space. Stop being dense.
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It's the idea that space solves anything related to environmental catastrophe on Earth that people object to. Yes, space is cool and good and fun and we should have robots puttering around up there until we can safely send a couple of hundred people to eke out a precarious existence on Mars, but it does not and will never provide an escape clause against devastation on Earth. There's no reason to bring space exploration up in the context of climate change, it's irrelevant to the issue (geoengineering concepts like solar shades aside).
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Marijuana Nihilist posted:B-but Star Trek! All 3 of your posts in this thread are loving epic. Like, they make you think -- man.
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Space research good - space cities bad.
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Is it really surprising that people will bring up silly ideas like space when most of the climate discussion is saying "we're hosed and nothing can be done about it" over and over?
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Pohl posted:I'm probably naive and stupid, but I can't even remember hearing about a hurricane on this side of Mexico. There's one or two that happens every year but they usually are kinda small or go off into the Pacific. Hawaii gets a fair number actually.
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Fargo Fukes posted:It's the idea that space solves anything related to environmental catastrophe on Earth that people object to. Yes, space is cool and good and fun and we should have robots puttering around up there until we can safely send a couple of hundred people to eke out a precarious existence on Mars, but it does not and will never provide an escape clause against devastation on Earth. There's no reason to bring space exploration up in the context of climate change, it's irrelevant to the issue (geoengineering concepts like solar shades aside). Agree, up until you get to the 'will never' Yeah, unless you can predict the future (you probably can't) you cannot say that with any certainty. At all. Sure, not right now. Sure, not in 100 years. But its unlikely we're going to reserve ourselves to staying here forever. Anosmoman posted:Space research good - space cities bad. Pretty much.
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Motto posted:Is it really surprising that people will bring up silly ideas like space when most of the climate discussion is saying "we're hosed and nothing can be done about it" over and over? In
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Pohl posted:I'm probably naive and stupid, but I can't even remember hearing about a hurricane on this side of Mexico. Hurricane Paulina wrecked the state of guerrero several years ago, so yeah it does happen. But this is the strongest hurricane ever recorded in the northern hemisphere, and people are rightly scared. The governement is now evacuating some zones and getting peple to shelter in others, activating all emergency protocols along the path. We're expected to see massive waves, the rainfall equivalent of a a whole year falling in a few hours and, to top it off, a volcano erupting neaby which will contribute a shitload of ash to the rainfall. It will get ugly in the next 24 hours.
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Freezer posted:Hurricane Paulina wrecked the state of guerrero several years ago, so yeah it does happen. But this is the strongest hurricane ever recorded in the northern hemisphere, and people are rightly scared. The governement is now evacuating some zones and getting peple to shelter in others, activating all emergency protocols along the path. Well, a prediction of climate change is fewer but more powerfull hurricanes. It is a glimpse of our future, possibly including flying cars.
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CommieGIR posted:Agree, up until you get to the 'will never' Newsflash: we've got no place else to go. I mean, you're right about the whole certainty thing. We can't be 100% sure of anything to do with the future. But you know what could also happen? The sun could spontaneously turn into a barren rock tomorrow. Or you could wake up a week from now and discover that you are the only person alive on the planet. Those things could technically happen, but that doesn't mean that they are possibilities even remotely worth considering, just like the idea that we will one day escape into space or colonize space.
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Anosmoman posted:Well, a prediction of climate change is fewer but more powerfull hurricanes. It is a glimpse of our future, possibly including
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Your Sledgehammer posted:Newsflash: we've got no place else to go. Actually most of those things could not technically happen. But to say that, after the past 70+ years where we've leapfrogged far over the pas 2,000+ years of civilization, that we'll hit a huge slump or something? Yeah, that seems like a bit of a stretch to say we've hit our peak and its all downhill from here.
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CommieGIR posted:That is what I meant. Nobody cares until the cost hits them personally. Its like the Masque of the Red Death basically
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CommieGIR posted:Actually most of those things could not technically happen. About as much of a stretch as projecting infinite technological growth into the future. In a retrospective, historical sense, that's been a pretty bad prediction. If anything, the discovery of revolutionary technologies that affect the general public have become less frequent over the past 20 years, which doesn't gel well at all with the predictions of exponential technological growth. We've gotten a lot of improvements (making stuff smaller, mainly) though.
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CommieGIR posted:Actually most of those things could not technically happen. Most of those things happening would require an overthrow of our understanding of the universe on the same scale as one that would make interplanetary or intersystem travel practical for significant numbers of people. This isn't about steady technological advancement, it's about finding out that a bunch of stuff that we currently know and understand is wrong.
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