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Twerkteam Pizza
Sep 26, 2015

Grimey Drawer

gently caress, I'm submitting an awful link of the day post for this. Just, holy poo poo.
This is beautiful

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The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Twerkteam Pizza posted:

...isn't biodeterminism kind of a modern day fallacy?

No it's just a belief that happens to be empirically wrong.

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

Jack Gladney posted:

IQ correlates with having a good life in such a way that it it is in some ways (all ways?) an artifact of having good health, a good education, and good opportunities. There is no nature and no nurture, but just endless byzantine interactions between the two.

Closest I've seen to anyone articulating my own view.

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

Asking which is more significant to someone's personality, nature or nurture, is like asking which is more significant to a rectangle's area, width or height.

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~




:chord:

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Speaking of science, let's learn how to be an IQ obsessed helicopter parent http://lesswrong.com/r/discussion/lw/mhk/experiences_in_applying_the_biodeterminists_guide/

I like the bit where they decide the baby doesn't need toothpaste because they're not a poor Mexican family

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010


You see when Captain Kirk does romance literally constantly it's cool and for guys but when I have to play the character who does the romance it's icky and evil cultural marxism because girls are icky and gross!

Luigi's Discount Porn Bin
Jul 19, 2000


Oven Wrangler

Parallel Paraplegic posted:

You see when Captain Kirk does romance literally constantly it's cool and for guys but when I have to play the character who does the romance it's icky and evil cultural marxism because girls are icky and gross!
You can basically replace every instance of "cultural marxism" in that blog post with "cooties."

Cingulate
Oct 23, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Munin posted:

At this point it's not much different from arguing that the Soviet Union wasn't really true to communist philosophy. It would be correct but also rather futile.
Well you won't see me putting up a defense of Randianism and Tea Party-style libertarianism any time soon.

DStecks posted:

Asking which is more significant to someone's personality, nature or nurture, is like asking which is more significant to a rectangle's area, width or height.
That's a good metaphor, especially as it allows zero room for metaphysical stuff like free choice.

ArchangeI posted:

So everyone believes it without any proof? Personality, at least, would seem to me to be far more influenced by surrounding culture.
Would seem so to you would it? Well have you considered looking at evidence?

ArchangeI posted:

I'm probably missing something, but what you said reads as "Arabs can't democracy and never will" and/or "Blacks are just stupid and violent and will never improve".
Yeah you're missing a few things.

Cingulate has a new favorite as of 18:23 on Oct 23, 2015

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012

Calico Heart posted:

It seems like the show finally embraced what it was long destined to be and is now the covert SA Gamergate thread

Onmi posted:

Yes but the majority of those people with access to a twitter and tumblr account use to draw or write or masturbate to high anime drawings of Kyle and Stan loving. It's why you see some jumping through 100 hoops to go "No no they're actually using this to attack people who are against PC culture" That was a literal thing that happened after the first episode.

There's less of them now as they realize no, Matt and Trey are just pissing on them, which is why they're turning to "South Park was never good/has gone to poo poo/hasn't advanced with the times/is still written by the same straight white dudes."

Because the idea of someone creating, owning and writing their own property and only having to answer to themselves is foreign to these people.

It's like those people so convinced of their 'ship' that they grab their ears and scream "BETRAYAL" because two fictional characters aren't loving.

EDIT: These are also the same people who'll put someone on a pedestal and sing their praise until they put a toe out of line upon which they'll be shat upon and treated like garbage. See Yahtzee with Monster Hunter/Smash Brothers, Whedon with Age of Ultron and recently James Roberts with More than Meets the Eye.

:lol:

i could've swore this dude was in the GG thread

BornAPoorBlkChild has a new favorite as of 18:19 on Oct 23, 2015

Cingulate
Oct 23, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
What's he referring to with the Age of Ultron thing?

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012
In the movie Black Widow refers to herself as a monster because she was sterilized in the past, some folks took to Whedon's twitter about it and he has since closed it.

its apparently proof of evil sjw cultural marxism

sexism doesn't exist if its not aimed towards (straight) white males

racism doesn't exist if its not aimed towards white males

remember this, goons

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Cingulate
Oct 23, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Race Realists posted:

In the movie Black Widow refers to herself as a monster because she was sterilized in the past, some folks took to Whedon's twitter about it and he has since closed it.
I'm too stupid for this.

I thought The Cathedral hates Whedon because he makes movies where faceless vaguely middle-eastern hordes are mowed down by proud heroic aryan-American smart weapons while the single woman allowed on set is there purely to be fetishized. Or maybe just because he makes very bad movies.

Twerkteam Pizza
Sep 26, 2015

Grimey Drawer

Cingulate posted:

That's a good metaphor, especially as it allows zero room for metaphysical stuff like free choice.

I chuckled

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Lipstick Apathy

Race Realists posted:

:lol:

i could've swore this dude was in the GG thread

Yeah, this is pretty much equivalent to those GG conspiracy charts. "This person doesn't agree with me, they must be a GG nazi misogynist". I'm sure it's terrible that people were mean to you in that thread, but I think you've gotta face reality instead of hiding yourself from it.

Luigi's Discount Porn Bin
Jul 19, 2000


Oven Wrangler

Cingulate posted:

I'm too stupid for this.

I thought The Cathedral hates Whedon because he makes movies where faceless vaguely middle-eastern hordes are mowed down by proud heroic aryan-American smart weapons while the single woman allowed on set is there purely to be fetishized. Or maybe just because he makes very bad movies.
There is nothing the postmodern Marxist-feminist SJW orthodoxy loves more than US military-idolizing spandex superhero titty movies and video games about how great space colonialism is.

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012

BravestOfTheLamps posted:

Yeah, this is pretty much equivalent to those GG conspiracy charts. "This person doesn't agree with me, they must be a GG nazi misogynist".

wouldn't say GGers are nazis (besides like... this one dude i came across on twitter), but ok!

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



Race Realists posted:

In the movie Black Widow refers to herself as a monster because she was sterilized in the past, some folks took to Whedon's twitter about it and he has since closed it.
Whedon writes stupid and sexist things into his movies.

Whedon was harassed off of twitter, and that sort of harassment isn't cool.

These two things aren't mutually exclusive. For some reason people think they are.

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012

Terrible Opinions posted:

Whedon writes stupid and sexist things into his movies.

Whedon was harassed off of twitter, and that sort of harassment isn't cool.

These two things aren't mutually exclusive. For some reason people think they are.

I wasn't agreeing with it at all, i just know certain reactionaries/GGers/AntiSJWers/whoever the gently caress else goes after people who're against the political opinions of the internet nerd hivemind use this as proof of cultural marxism evil sjw menace and usually lump people with left leaning opinions in with the harassers

BornAPoorBlkChild has a new favorite as of 19:04 on Oct 23, 2015

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow
Didn't he explicitly say it wasn't feminists that made him delete his Twitter?

Cingulate
Oct 23, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
If what the contemporary reaction is afraid of is no longer e.g. a violent uprising of the proletariat, the massacre of bankers, and the beginning of a classless, nationless, godless age, but just that some chubby dude with a creepy foot fetish doesn't feel welcome to post on Twitter anymore, that should be a cause for concern on the left. It seems we missed a critical window somewhen between 1900 and 1990.

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Didn't he explicitly say it wasn't feminists that made him delete his Twitter?

doesnt matter, whatever the angry libertarian nerd hivemind says, goes

Cingulate
Oct 23, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Didn't he explicitly say it wasn't feminists that made him delete his Twitter?
What would this mean? Even if it were true that feminists drove him off twitter, he'd gain nothing (net) from saying so.

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012
in alot of nerds minds sjw = feminist

Cingulate
Oct 23, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Race Realists posted:

in alot of nerds minds sjw = feminist
I guess at least the simple implication is true - almost everyone who they'd label an SJW could also somehow be labelled a feminist.

On the other hand, how do Skeleton Warriors even use iPhones? They don't have skin for touch ID. When Apple introduces that poo poo for Macbooks, they'll be hosed.

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Lipstick Apathy

Race Realists posted:

lump people... in with the harassers

Race Realists posted:

doesnt matter, whatever the angry libertarian nerd hivemind says, goes

:ironicat: Proving South Park right is certainly some kind of achievement

BravestOfTheLamps has a new favorite as of 19:19 on Oct 23, 2015

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



Cingulate posted:

I'm too stupid for this.

I thought The Cathedral hates Whedon because he makes movies where faceless vaguely middle-eastern hordes are mowed down by proud heroic aryan-American smart weapons while the single woman allowed on set is there purely to be fetishized. Or maybe just because he makes very bad movies.
I believe the skeleton warrior hive mind liked Whedon because he wrote quippy things and Buffy was relatively feminist for when it came out. However, over time he has kept doing the same things over and over, and they got tired of them.

Also, the faceless hordes were Asian. (Seriously! I think there isn't a named Asian character, played by an Asian actor, of any kind in Firefly, despite its purported Chinese-dominant future.)

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012

BravestOfTheLamps posted:

:ironicat: Proving South Park right is certainly some kind of achievement

i know right?

no more linking

promise

Cingulate
Oct 23, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Nessus posted:

Also, the faceless hordes were Asian. (Seriously! I think there isn't a named Asian character, played by an Asian actor, of any kind in Firefly, despite its purported Chinese-dominant future.)
Not in speaking/named roles, I think?

I'm okay with that; Chinese cultural dominance may live on after every ethnically Chinese person has died on the dying earth.

And surely this isn't some form of conscious anti-asian racism.

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

Cingulate posted:

What would this mean? Even if it were true that feminists drove him off twitter, he'd gain nothing (net) from saying so.

No, but from past interviews, I know Joss Whedon self-identifies as strongly feminist(whether that's valid is another matter). I sincerely doubt that he'd believe that even if he was politely-excusing his exit without blaming people.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013


Bioware has been putting lovely romance storylines into their games as far back as Baldur's Gate, long before "Cultural Marxism" was ever conceived by reactionary nerds.

Baldur's Gate 2 even had mods to add more romantic interests to the game, and spoiler alert: those modders weren't women.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

Scott posted:

quote:

Anonymous asked:
I like how you don't use the term SJW in your anti-SJ posts. Is that a deliberate decision? It's really a crummy term for rational discourse IMO.
Deliberate decision, but requiring increasingly high amounts of circumlocution.

well gosh sure had us fooled etc

Kunster
Dec 24, 2006

Part of the telling offs involved making Hydra a good guy organization, as in "Yeah we're The Nazis all but in name" org. And then having Black Widow's Roma origins whitewashed. And the whole thing with killing off the concept of Wasp and clearing up Ant Man's legacy to the point of making sure she wasn't a meaningful character.

Cingulate
Oct 23, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Kunster posted:

Part of the telling offs involved making Hydra a good guy organization, as in "Yeah we're The Nazis all but in name" org. And then having Black Widow's Roma origins whitewashed. And the whole thing with killing off the concept of Wasp and clearing up Ant Man's legacy to the point of making sure she wasn't a meaningful character.
I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Baldur's Gate 2 even had mods to add more romantic interests to the game, and spoiler alert: those modders weren't women.

I used to be active in the Baldur's Gate 2 modding community and I can assure you that a great many of those modders were indeed women. There were several male modders who added romantic interests, but the split between male and female modders was at minimum fifty/fifty.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Cythereal posted:

I used to be active in the Baldur's Gate 2 modding community and I can assure you that a great many of those modders were indeed women. There were several male modders who added romantic interests, but the split between male and female modders was at minimum fifty/fifty.

See? The False Equality of Cultural Marxism rears its blue-dyed head once again!

Thinky Whale
Aug 2, 2012

All that most maddens and torments; all that stirs up the lees of things; all truth with malice in it; all that cracks the sinews and cakes the brain; all the subtle demonisms of life and thought; all evil were visibly personified, and made practically assailable in Fry.
In Baldur's Gate 2 a male main character had 3 options to romance. A female main character had one, and it was Anomen.

Everything since has been penance.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Cingulate posted:

I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

I think he heard the plot of Avengers 2 through a game of telephone, because Hydra are not the good guys, and Black Widow is not Romani.

Presumably this is a confusion based on the weird-rear end aspect of two Romani people who are children of a literal holocaust survivor, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, working with the nazi villain organization.

The Vosgian Beast has a new favorite as of 14:01 on Oct 24, 2015

Kunster
Dec 24, 2006

Yeah, that's more or less what happened. I do apologize for that.

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos

Cingulate posted:

If what the contemporary reaction is afraid of is no longer e.g. a violent uprising of the proletariat, the massacre of bankers, and the beginning of a classless, nationless, godless age, but just that some chubby dude with a creepy foot fetish doesn't feel welcome to post on Twitter anymore, that should be a cause for concern on the left. It seems we missed a critical window somewhen between 1900 and 1990.

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Cingulate
Oct 23, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
Been reading a bit more atavisionary cause I could recognize the Mass Effect essay as outstandingly dumb even for the genre without even having played that video game.

There is a similar Walking Dead piece, which has this perfect miniature of unreflected homophobia: why does the gay mafia intrude on my private space by making two guys kiss on TV programs I am watching? (Two chicks are okay though, men like that due to biology). But my favourite is from his attempt of a genealogy of egalitarianism:

quote:

The ancestor of egalitarianism is probably Martin Luther’s justification by faith alone

The depth of ignorance and lack of education that is required for one to come to this conclusion is stunning. It's ignorance in depth, and ignorance in breadth - one must be ignorant of the Bible, of the extra-european origins of Western philosophy, of post-medieval developments in Western thought as precursors for modernity, of the entire enlightenment business from the reformation all the way through to the revolutions of the 18th century. The icing on this cake of ignorance is that it is these topics the man actually prides himself in. He views himself as a defender of Christian and Western values.

At least Moldbug is wrong because he is insane, not because he doesn't read books.

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