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spectralent posted:Also was Beloved Adorei in the leak? Because heart-reading romance-daiklaive is the best daiklaive. It was not! Also I'd go as far to say that most of the art in the book is good, but is way too front-loaded with poser crap.
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Bardlebee posted:I actually haven't. I spent my time on other things, granted I had the leak, but I didn't care to finish reading an incomplete product. Then don't read the backer PDF. I was honestly expecting a lot more out of this book, just in terms of layout and style. The lack of charm-tree illustrations is a first for a storyteller product, isn't it? All the WOD books have those, all the Exalted books have always had them. They're kind of important to being able to visualize and process the hundreds of charms included in this book. And I remember when we first were shown the page layout example and everyone wondered if the art really was just going to be pasted onto the pages without any borders or blending, like screenshots? YEP! it is. If page count is an issue, they could save a ton of space in the Twenty Pages of backer-names by doing what movie credits do and not using a column approach and doing a straight paragraph listing, especially for the cheap seats. Or just including more columns and cutting the white space on those pages. Please tell me why they're still doing THIS:  e:If I was the guy who made the PDF with the functional links in three hours that these jokers couldn't be assed to include, I'd probably sneak one dummy link in the mix so that I could see if they just stole my work instead of doing it themselves later. mistaya fucked around with this message at 13:27 on Oct 23, 2015 |
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Tbf re: the bookmarks, they did say they weren't putting those in until after corrections. For everything else though I got nothing.
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Oct 23, 2015 13:36
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Person with professional layout experience here with my dead horse to beat, but once again they're doing it wrong: Bookmarks can be auto-generated into an exported PDF based on book file section separators / header tags, every time you make a PDF. 0 effort.
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Chernobyl Peace Prize posted:Person with professional layout experience here with my dead horse to beat, but once again they're doing it wrong: Bookmarks can be auto-generated into an exported PDF based on book file section separators / header tags, every time you make a PDF. 0 effort. They should've hired you for Ex3, imho.
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Oct 23, 2015 13:45
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Chernobyl Peace Prize posted:Person with professional layout experience here with my dead horse to beat, but once again they're doing it wrong: Bookmarks can be auto-generated into an exported PDF based on book file section separators / header tags, every time you make a PDF. 0 effort. They're probably just lying, there's no way they're that incompete.... oh, well, maybe actually yeah, they are.
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Oct 23, 2015 13:50
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Sexpansion posted:They're probably just lying, there's no way they're that incompete.... Oh btw, it's out now.
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Oct 23, 2015 13:51
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Bedlamdan posted:Oh btw, it's out now. I know! Very exciting.
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Chernobyl Peace Prize posted:Person with professional layout experience here with my dead horse to beat, but once again they're doing it wrong: Bookmarks can be auto-generated into an exported PDF based on book file section separators / header tags, every time you make a PDF. 0 effort. The myriad of errors in the table of contents would suggest that for whatever insane reason they're doing all of this stuff by hand.
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Oct 23, 2015 15:45
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It's incredible to me that they couldn't even get the five immaculate paragons on the same page next to their icons. There's literally a little sidebar filling out the bottom of the page that could easily just be shifted up by the same amount of space that the five paragraphs could be shifted down.
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Oct 23, 2015 15:50
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I'll admit I laughed at that layout gently caress up. Screwing up the Charm stat-blocks again and again I can actually forgive to when there's hundreds of them, page after page broken up by occasional art. I wonder if the Charms should have been split into 5 subchapters by caste, with different backgrounds so you can spot when section you're in at a glance.
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Calde posted:I'll admit I laughed at that layout gently caress up. That's how 2E did it, but the problem is that now different castes have overlapping abilities
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Oct 23, 2015 16:04
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Are you loving kidding me, after 9+ layout revisions it's still full of poo poo like this? At this point, all this wasted effort and lost time could have been easily avoided if they had just hired a professional to do layout for them.
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Oct 23, 2015 16:49
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Libluini posted:Are you loving kidding me, after 9+ layout revisions it's still full of poo poo like this? At this point, all this wasted effort and lost time could have been easily avoided if they had just hired a professional to do layout for them. According to them, they did.
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Oct 23, 2015 16:55
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So on the table of contents, the subheadings for Charms is missing eleven of the twenty-five abilities, but include one of the Craft subsections and most of the Performance ones. How exactly does something like that happen?
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Oct 23, 2015 17:00
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Red Metal posted:So on the table of contents, the subheadings for Charms is missing eleven of the twenty-five abilities, but include one of the Craft subsections and most of the Performance ones. Effectronica posted:These pdfs are for haunting and seducing, not referencing.
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Red Metal posted:So on the table of contents, the subheadings for Charms is missing eleven of the twenty-five abilities, but include one of the Craft subsections and most of the Performance ones. I think they have just not finished the table on contents.
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Art time! Partial Art Reviews: Page 38-55: Are there no black people in Creation? And are the only Brown People howling Lunar barbarians? Page 61: That is some drat fine otter art. No lie. Page 66: What the heck is going on with the Empress's leg? Shoulda gotten a redraw. Page 110: Uran-Sempai!!! *fanboys* Page 124: Metal as gently caress. Nice work Page 140: Our first, uh, black person? Or maybe darker skinned asian? Yeah, Asian. Page 149: there we go! Page 158: This is awesome. Page 186: This was good in preview. Still good. Page 192-193: This is a good couple of pages. I like the sequence, but shouldn't they be reversed? Page 198: "This badger lunar is making my faaaaace meeeeelt!" Page 210: Yes. Please. This. Page 213: *Fanboy-ing continues* Page 217: Perfect Soul got better! Page 225: LOL hoverhand. Page 233: Magic goldfish? Still, cool Survival specialist. Page 236: Looks like he's disintegrating that baby. Page 239: Looks like Poser, but passable poser. Page 242: One-Punch Man, what are you doing here? Also, is this stolen art? Page 249: Orichalcum Banana Hammock. Honestly, I like it. Page 256: Harmonious Jade got cured of her Vitigilo, she's black again! Page 263: Straight Wuxia. I ain't mad at that. Page 268: This is also good. Impressionistic Exalted. 276: gently caress YES 287: I actually like this, but the faces and fingers seem odd, like they were done by someone else. 293: Yes. Good. 301: Oh, she DOES wear underwear. Ok. 305: Huh. I see what you’re going for, but maybe put a sketch filter or something over this? 314: There’s… a lot going on in this one. Even Uran can’t carry the day all the time. 319: Good stuff. Nice Minarets. 327: I still thing Linguistics is super niche, but this art makes it look impressive 335: Eh, so-so. It kinda looks like he’s demolishing the building, not raising it. 343: Doctor man looks pissed. Night caste looks like an amateur cheesecake job. 348: Wins for conveying what is going on. Loses for the that Exalt’s face. But at least we have more skin and hair color variety. 355 and 360: Poser: Not even once. Serious: Sketch Filter. That skin is awful, even if the effects are really nice. 365: I get it. Crowds are hard. This is not the way to do them. 369: What’s with all the folks in platemail? And that super shiny skin? 375: I like the lower portion, but what’s with the clumsily scribbled in foreground object in the upper portion? 384: I don’t think that’s how horses or necks or sidesaddle works. 388: I don’t think that’s how ships or perspective works, what in the hell. Also, more bronze-age ships. 396: This works. 406: This, too. 413: Other than the 64-pack abs, this works. 420: Something cool is happening here, I wish I could figure out what it was. 422: Avatar, the Last Exalt. Eh, ok. Those feet are weird, though.\ 425: “Oh, gently caress, I interrupted a Nephrack graduation ceremony! Also my hands are freakish!” 428: Buff Aang is in this book? 430: Yeees. I want to be a Tiger Stylist 435: Whoa. He can see the Matrix. As a side effect, his ponytail is 11’ long. 439: This works MUCH better now that it has been colored in. 442: Buff Aang has some anger issues to work out, maybe? Dem veins, tho! 446: This is pretty cheap Kung Fu Hustle fanart, I fear. 454: Hell yes. 457: Hell is going on here? Spectral Handjob attack! 460: Servicable 463: Pretty neat, but that ghost commander looks like a Halloween prop 473: I realize obsidian is hard to draw, but Monarch butterflies? 480: Whoever you hired to draw Fire is good. 482: I can’t believe you left the name as ‘Death Ray’, but this art is good. 488: Did Rob Liefield draw those feet? The rest is good. 493: This art is just… boring? And so-so? 498: This is pretty cool, that face is out of place, though. 500: Ditto. Is that a Poser face for the Snek person? 501: This one is both scary and funny in good ways. Monster Art: I know some disagree, but I actually like most of the monster art. It’s neither as evocative as 1st edition or as vibrant as, like, D&D 5e, but it works. 542: For a second I thought he was holding two weapons instead of one daiklave 546: Swole Lunar is a pretty good Lunar 548: A lot of boring foreground space, but serviceable. 551: This dude would be insufferable to adventure with. I guess if that’s what you’re going for. 553: Dude on the left is laughable. Girl on the right is pretty awesome 565: Ape on the top right is like “OH NO YOU DI’IN’T” 567: No tusks? 573: Those legs look super fragile, and the claws look a bit silly 577: Kejak can see the fates of Fantasy Europe! 579: Mack Daddy. Good job. Weapons and Artifacts: BOOORING Boomerang: Come on, no decoration at all? Composite Bows: You couldn’t copy, like, a Hungarian bow or something? Or Mongol? Firewand: That is a Winchester. There aren’t Lever-Action firewands. Hauberk: Come on, man, this ain’t D&D. Bronze-Age it up! Articulated Plate: See above. I hate that this is even a Thing in Exalted. Artifacts: BOOORING Reaver Daiklave: Nice of someone to paint up the Buster Sword Infinite Chakram: Stolen from Soul Calibur 5 Skycutter: Actually ok. Powerbows and Artifact Wands: Servicable but BORING. More variety! More style! 602: Amateur work on the dude the scene is focused on. 606: Can’t get over those terrible poser faces. 608-609: More Impressionism! This is actually kinda nice even though it is wildly less detailed Evocation Art: MORE BORING EQUIPMENT 631: Perhaps the best art in the entire Solar book, and she’s not a Solar. LOL.
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See charts for Evocations here. See charts for Martial Arts here. Roadie fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Oct 23, 2015 |
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Oct 23, 2015 17:41
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Posted my recruitment thread in The Game Room and the recruitment thread.
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Mile'ionaha posted:567: No tusks? As the sponsor of the hellboar, it's based on entelodonts which did not have much in the way of tusk action going on. It probably could've stood to have some tusks since it's not literally that animal, but at this point I'm pretty pleased they got an accurate picture of the animal at all! Besides which the tusks on that Asian elephant it's eating didn't do the elephant any good, now did they?
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Oh, now the game's out I'm gonna quote myself from before for the benefit of any new players/storyellers:Ferrinus posted:So my group's putting an Exalted group together, and these are the house rules we're using specifically to eliminate the egregious and insanely stupid problems with rules-as-written chargen. I figured they might be of use to other people.
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Nessus posted:As the sponsor of the hellboar, it's based on entelodonts which did not have much in the way of tusk action going on. It probably could've stood to have some tusks since it's not literally that animal, but at this point I'm pretty pleased they got an accurate picture of the animal at all! Besides which the tusks on that Asian elephant it's eating didn't do the elephant any good, now did they? As I noted to Nessus off-site, entelodonts are actually closer to modern hippos than modern pigs. Fear the terrifying hippo pig thing.
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Has a release schedule ever been released? The lack of some Exalted types in the Exalted chapter makes me wonder if they are making supplements for things like alchemicals. Also, I'm really just interested in Exigents.
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Covok posted:Has a release schedule ever been released? The lack of some Exalted types in the Exalted chapter makes me wonder if they are making supplements for things like alchemicals. Vaguest schedule is the book of items and evocations, than Dragon-Bloods, than Exigents. So it should be out by 2021 at the earliest.
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SunAndSpring posted:Vaguest schedule is the book of items and evocations, than Dragon-Bloods, than Exigents. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsneVykvjlU
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SunAndSpring posted:Vaguest schedule is the book of items and evocations, than Dragon-Bloods, than Exigents. It'll be leaked online by 2019, fortunately.
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I think the only thing close to a release schedule they made was an intention to have three 'sub' books (things like arms of the chosen and the realm book) and one to two splats a year. And that Deebs and Exigents would be the first two splats done after Solars.
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Hmmm. What do you guys think about using a Martial Art style that can be used unarmed with a Cestus? I mean, it's just a metal glove you wear, and the tags aren't super different?
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Oct 24, 2015 19:23
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I can't find where they describe the skills of the system or the skills.
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Prison Warden posted:Hmmm. What do you guys think about using a Martial Art style that can be used unarmed with a Cestus? I mean, it's just a metal glove you wear, and the tags aren't super different? In 2E, I kind of assumed that using a Cestus = Unarmed, but that's because bare fists were lovely weapons for martial artists back then.
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Bedlamdan posted:In 2E, I kind of assumed that using a Cestus = Unarmed, but that's because bare fists were lovely weapons for martial artists back then. Both unarmed and a Cestus are light weapons in 3e, it looks like. The main difference is you can't take your arms off unlike a glove and you can't hug your enemy with steel arms.
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Zereth posted:It's also difficult to make your arms into artifact weapons. Sorcerous Workings handle that ez
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I'm pretty sure having a cestus on doesn't count as being unarmed for martial arts purposes, because it would mean being able to make artifact-class attacks and martial artists can't have anything nice.
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Prison Warden posted:Hmmm. What do you guys think about using a Martial Art style that can be used unarmed with a Cestus? I mean, it's just a metal glove you wear, and the tags aren't super different? I don't think that really works. If it's a mortal weapon it's probably completely indistinguishable from unarmed, so it's just for flavor. If it's an artifact, you're skirting the rules that prevent unarmed styles from using artifact weapons. The former is probably fine but fairly pointless, whereas the latter is cheating.
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Ferrinus posted:I'm pretty sure having a cestus on doesn't count as being unarmed for martial arts purposes, because it would mean being able to make artifact-class attacks and martial artists can't have anything nice. Shame on any Black Claw stylist who doesn't bully their sorcerer friend into turning their hands into literal terrifying black claws.
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Prison Warden posted:Both unarmed and a Cestus are light weapons in 3e, it looks like. The main difference is you can't take your arms off unlike a glove and you can't hug your enemy with steel arms. Alchemicals are sad enough about this edition without you taking hugging away from them.
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Bedlamdan posted:Shame on any Black Claw stylist who doesn't bully their sorcerer friend into turning their hands into literal terrifying black claws. Okay, but can you actually do that. Like, it seems that I shouldn't be able to just perform a sorcerous working to get innate +10 soak or whatever, so why can I do one for innate +1 accuracy and +3 damage? Does the book actually suggest as much?
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Ferrinus posted:Okay, but can you actually do that. Like, it seems that I shouldn't be able to just perform a sorcerous working to get innate +10 soak or whatever, so why can I do one for innate +1 accuracy and +3 damage? Does the book actually suggest as much? I mean, it's nothing more extreme than making Claws of the Wood Dragon a permanent buff instead of a one-shot spell.
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