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BBJoey posted:I believe the argument is property rights = good, other rights = bad, because gently caress you. Other rights are simply expressions of property rights.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Other rights are simply expressions of property rights. I think that if you refer back to the argument you'll actually find that gently caress you, therefore other rights are bad. (property rights are still good tho)
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Oct 25, 2015 10:49
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Negligent posted:solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short. don't sign your posts
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Oct 25, 2015 10:50
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If only we had freehold title on our bodies.
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Oct 25, 2015 10:53
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My life has been saved twice thanks to bike helmets when I was younger. Now, whether that is a good or a bad thing is up for debate, but it happened. I see it as the same as making people wear a loving seatbelt.
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Oct 25, 2015 11:13
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Pickled Tink posted:My life has been saved twice thanks to bike helmets when I was younger. Now, whether that is a good or a bad thing is up for debate, but it happened. But don't you see Tink? "Wah wah wah, the government makes something mildly inconvenient! I DONT WANT TO HAVE TO SO I SHOULDNT HAVE TO"
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Oct 25, 2015 11:48
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How about a compromise. If you're wearing a helmet the state will pay for your rehabilitation. If you neglect to wear one the state will curb stomp you into the earth, but only when you have an accident. Otherwise, you're all good.
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Oct 25, 2015 12:06
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Pickled Tink posted:My life has been saved twice thanks to bike helmets when I was younger. Now, whether that is a good or a bad thing is up for debate, but it happened. Who did you piss off with that post? Like seriously, this is the most innocuous post "hey, bike helmets saved my life" "OH YEAH? I'LL FUCKEN SHOW HIM"
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Oct 25, 2015 12:43
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tithin posted:Who did you piss off with that post? Libertarians.
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Oct 25, 2015 12:45
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Pickled Tink posted:I see it as the same as making people wear a loving seatbelt. It's a bit different. A person not wearing a seatbelt still presents a danger to other people who are wearing their seatbelts when they end up bouncing around the cabin. There's no increased risk to other people if you're not wearing a bike helmet. I've always been a bit uneasy with the idea of legislating the level of risk people are allowed to take with their own bodies. Of course people should wear bicycle helmets to be safe, but should it be illegal not to wear one? If there's no risk to the public I don't see why the government should be acting like a parent and trying to force them to be responsible if it's only their own safety they're neglecting. They're adults, they know the risks let them take it if they want.
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Oct 25, 2015 12:54
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I didn't realise it was still legal to smoke while pregnant. Not to bring up pregnancy chat, but what is the auspol hive minds view on this?
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Oct 25, 2015 12:59
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Jumpingmanjim posted:Can anyone comment on whether banks could (or would) make margin calls on mortgagors in negative equity? Kind of like how it is done with Share trading with margin. I swear I read recently that some laws were changed a couple years ago to prevent banks from doing exactly this with residential mortgages. I'm not sure if it was all residential mortgages, or just owner occupiers. I'll see if I can dig up the article. Edit: This isn't the exact article, but has the details: http://australianpropertyforum.com/blog/entry/3174279/38440 Basically, with a regulated loan (which includes both owner-occupier and investor mortgages), a bank can't force you to sell your house, as long as you're making payments on time. So even if your in negative equity, you're fine as long as you keep paying. Also, if you're ever bored, the forum at APF is a goldmine of all the worst things related to property, from both the bears and bulls. As far as I can tell, it's virtually unmoderated, with the exception of blatant racism being removed swiftly. JBark fucked around with this message at 13:39 on Oct 25, 2015 |
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Oct 25, 2015 13:26
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Media advice for Peter Dutton: http://dailyreview.com.au/qt-some-media-tips-for-peter-dutton/32019 (The password at the end should be immediately obvious to anyone in this thread.)
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teacup posted:I didn't realise it was still legal to smoke while pregnant. Not to bring up pregnancy chat, but what is the auspol hive minds view on this? smoking is bad at all times
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Oct 25, 2015 13:41
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 All of these people are now dead except for that one guy in the green helmet. Seriously, if you're at all interested in reducing co2 emissions, getting polluting cars off the road, and making our cities better for pedestrians, we (Australians) should probably look to international examples of best practice rather than just talking poo poo out our asses.
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Oct 25, 2015 13:49
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Hey why don't we have mandatory car helmets?
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Oct 25, 2015 13:50
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I hurt my brain reading all these dumb posts, perhaps we should legislate for mandatory posting helmets.
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Oct 25, 2015 13:51
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cyclists are arseholes, who cares
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tithin posted:Who did you piss off with that post?
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Oct 25, 2015 13:55
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Zahki posted:It's a bit different. A person not wearing a seatbelt still presents a danger to other people who are wearing their seatbelts when they end up bouncing around the cabin. There's no increased risk to other people if you're not wearing a bike helmet. I've always been a bit uneasy with the idea of legislating the level of risk people are allowed to take with their own bodies. Of course people should wear bicycle helmets to be safe, but should it be illegal not to wear one? If there's no risk to the public I don't see why the government should be acting like a parent and trying to force them to be responsible if it's only their own safety they're neglecting. They're adults, they know the risks let them take it if they want. People who suffer excessive trauma when they are involved in a collision expect the state to pick up the bill for their ongoing care and support. The danger is foreseeable, and helmets help mitigate it.
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Mad Katter posted:Hey why don't we have mandatory car helmets? Because at some point convenience overrides safety. Same reason you don't have a safety cell with full roll cage and 5 point harnesses.
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Oct 25, 2015 14:05
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Mad Katter posted:Hey why don't we have mandatory car helmets? A better parallel would be: Why don't we have mandatory motorcycle helme- waaaaait a minute
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Mad Katter posted:I hurt my brain reading all these dumb posts Joe Hockey is warned against pension double dipping while in diplomat post quote:Joe Hockey has been warned against “double dipping” after it emerged that he could potentially access his generous parliamentary pension while getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars as a diplomat.
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Oct 25, 2015 14:13
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tough day when the daily tele has turned on ol joe
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Oct 25, 2015 14:29
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Chicken Parmigiana posted:Media advice for Peter Dutton: Amazing.
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Mad Katter posted:
Or people can stop being huge whingers and wear a loving helmet and we can have a carbon tax. I cycle all the time. It's not loving hard to wear a helmet.
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Oct 25, 2015 14:38
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Did David Lionhelm just troll auspol by bringing up helmet laws?
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Oct 25, 2015 14:44
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I see helmets as more the symptom with lovely Australian drivers been the cause.
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Oct 25, 2015 14:48
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...6-1227581620193 It has taken a month but Andrew Bolt has now decided that Malcolm Turnbull is Chairman Mao and we need back Abbott.
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Oct 25, 2015 14:56
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Nibbles! posted:I see helmets as more the symptom with lovely Australian drivers been the cause. No, poor urban planning. A city planned for the safe coexistence of both modes of transport would make driving patterns irrelevant.
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Oct 25, 2015 15:11
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Oct 25, 2015 15:14
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Like Brisbane is absolutely buggered when it comes to bike lanes. They are always on the far left hand side of the road and that's perfectly fine except they let cars park in them so what would otherwise be a perfectly safe lane to ride becomes a car park and your basically always pushed into the centre lane where a Jeep is always waiting to almost kill you. Why make a lane for bikes if you let cars in them you idiot city.
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Lid posted:http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...6-1227581620193 It's behind a pay wall, but don't bother posting it.
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Turns out Kerr and Fraser were lying sacks of poo poo after all, colour me shocked. Also the queen was neck deep in a coup against a democratically elected government. http://m.theage.com.au/federal-poli...023-gkhb1a.html
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I did a poo in the shape of a stackhat this morning. I blame the thread.
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KennyTheFish posted:People who suffer excessive trauma when they are involved in a collision expect the state to pick up the bill for their ongoing care and support. The danger is foreseeable, and helmets help mitigate it. I think the idea is that the overall benefit (reduced CO2 emissions, general health benefits) of getting more people to cycle outweighs the cost of care from increased numbers of TBIs from cycling accidents. People really should just wear helmets though. I don't understand why some people lack self-preservation awareness. I commute 20 km a day via bike and I have crashed at speed - luckily my knee took the brunt of the fall and my helmet was unscathed, but still it's scary. I was laughed at by a friend when I went skiing for the first time and I wore a helmet, "You don't need a helmet, it's snow". The helmet more than paid for itself when on my third stack I hit my head hard enough to make me want to sit down for half an hour to stop my head spinning.
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