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On the Gaulem thing, I think it's Luna. Everyone else (except Quark) has been killed by stabbing or another action to show blood. Luna has only been killed by injection (on screen visibly at least) Which I don't believe left any traces.
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My theory on why Clover's young and Tenmyouji's old is that he jumped back in time to get in the game. He did make a deal with Zero after all. I think there's an outside chance that Quark is actually his son, or a clone of his son maybe. If Clover's been shown bloodied, then maybe not that one.
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Oct 25, 2015 09:18
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Actually thinking back on it, Luna was in the room with us when we discovered that someone was a Gaulem, her and Alice. Alice we've seen bleeding and has a backstory stretching back to before the Nonary game. I mean... It could be Sigma, in which case, Sigma doesn't know he's a Gaulem, also it means that Gaulems can be subjected to the effects of Radical-Six, or he's programmed to fake it. Also that he can jump through time like an esper despite being a machine.
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Oct 25, 2015 10:57
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But who ever heard of a ghost in a machine?
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Oct 25, 2015 11:04
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Sentient Data posted:But who ever heard of a ghost in a machine? ♫ Bokura wa minna ikiteiru~
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Oct 25, 2015 11:29
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Kay Kessler posted:Hasn't Sigma seen all the players murdered at some point, or am I forgetting someone? Then I don't exactly think blood can be used as evidence or not. Because if this is the case, then only Sigma could be a robot (which is plausible, if a bit cliche). Looking back at Clover's ending, everyone that we didn't see dead and bloody in the first route committed suicide with a scalpel here, including Luna: So if bloody deaths discount GAULEMs, Luna should be too, I guess? There's also Sigma's narration (while contracting Radical 6, so probably not in the best state of mind) to consider vs the illustration: Fedule posted:In the middle of the lake of blood, like an island of flesh, were bodies. So potentially it's a GAULEM!Luna deactivated on top of someone else's blood or something, and Sigma didn't check if she was bleeding specifically? Which is harder to swallow than, y'know, Luna just committing suicide because of Radical 6, because everyone else was doing it.  I mean I don't think we saw Quark bleeding and dead so it could potentially be him...? If we're doing the GAULEM = no blood argument?
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Oct 25, 2015 12:27
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I didn't have any trouble with the controls of the bonus puzzle when I did it about an hour ago but it probably took me a solid half an hour to figure out. Real bastard of a puzzle, that one. Also echoing this suddenly cats posted:Yessss I've been waiting for this update.
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Oct 25, 2015 12:41
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This was one of my favorite references they threw into the localization.
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BlackPersona posted:Looking back at Clover's ending, everyone that we didn't see dead and bloody in the first route committed suicide with a scalpel here, including Luna: However Quark is discounted because we know he's a carrier of Radical-6. I doubt a robot can contract a disease. But we are back at square one.
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Oct 25, 2015 12:53
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The parallelogram is the only thing in this game I just looked up a guide for. What a dumb puzzle.
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Oct 25, 2015 13:15
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Regy Rusty posted:The parallelogram is the only thing in this game I just looked up a guide for. What a dumb puzzle. i worked on that thing for like a half-hour before giving up, i'm really bad at spatial recognition i guess
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Oct 25, 2015 14:12
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anyway, my fav thing about this room is that I picked up VLR without knowing about 999 (a friend told me it was a cool puzzle game so I didn't pay attention to the whole sequel thing) so the Akane reveal totally didn't register as important to me
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Oct 25, 2015 14:14
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Seriously that puzzle can go gently caress itself. It's probably the puzzle that aggravated me most in the entire game. It's so incredibly fiddly, too.
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Oct 25, 2015 14:16
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Puzzles requiring precise placement of shapes should not exist without some sort of snap feature that moves them automatically either to the boundaries of other nearby shapes or to predetermined locations/orientations. Requiring near-pixel-perfect placement and not giving a guide for it raises the difficulty in a bad way and to no additional testing of the player's reasoning capability.
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Oct 25, 2015 14:36
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Nidoking posted:Puzzles requiring precise placement of shapes should not exist without some sort of snap feature that moves them automatically either to the boundaries of other nearby shapes or to predetermined locations/orientations. Requiring near-pixel-perfect placement and not giving a guide for it raises the difficulty in a bad way and to no additional testing of the player's reasoning capability. There's also the part where the ends have to be pointing in the right direction, otherwise gently caress you. That poo poo tripped me up for a solid half hour trying to figure out what the hell I was doing wrong. Materant fucked around with this message at 14:51 on Oct 25, 2015 |
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Oct 25, 2015 14:49
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Onmi posted:However Quark is discounted because we know he's a carrier of Radical-6. I doubt a robot can contract a disease. What if it's actually a computer virus?
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Oct 25, 2015 15:23
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Kay Kessler posted:What if it's actually a computer virus? Then why did everyone join a suicide party in Clovers ending?
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Oct 25, 2015 15:27
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Onmi posted:Then why did everyone join a suicide party in Clovers ending? I'm only half joking when I theorize that every single character is secretly a robot.
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Oct 25, 2015 15:29
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I'm curious about this, now. At the time, I presumed it to mean Sigma was absorbing the powers, but I think it's pretty clear that's not the case considering that both Sigma and Phi are capable of doing this jumpy thing without necessarily inhibiting each other. Is Tenmyouji facilitating the entirety of this, or do we have something quite unrelated to the morphogenic field this time?
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Oct 25, 2015 17:09
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So my question is this. Is Junpei Zero Sr? I mean he would be aware of the mechanics of the Nonary game. Secondary question: Is Zero Sr. A separate person from the Gaulem? I expect this to get to its most confusing so I'll say yes.
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Oct 25, 2015 17:15
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As I've said in this thread before, I think Luna is the robot. She's the only one who seems to pick the same thing every time in the voting, whereas everyone else seems to change their mind in accordance with the morphogenic field.
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Oct 25, 2015 17:53
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a cat on an apple posted:I'm curious about this, now. At the time, I presumed it to mean Sigma was absorbing the powers, but I think it's pretty clear that's not the case considering that both Sigma and Phi are capable of doing this jumpy thing without necessarily inhibiting each other. Is Tenmyouji facilitating the entirety of this, or do we have something quite unrelated to the morphogenic field this time? I always figured Junpei connecting to child Akane was just a gigantic fluke borne from Akane's desperation and that Junpei otherwise never had any special morphogenic field powers of his own. Although I guess if he was really committed to finding Akane all those years he could have tried to develop something.
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Oct 25, 2015 18:06
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So the question is: how far into the future are we? If Tenmyouji really is Junpei, and the old woman was Akane, then that would imply that 1. Alice and Clover were two of the pod people, since they're the only other returnees from 999. and 2. It must have been a good 40-60+ years since 999. It would make sense for Sigma to be the third pod person. In addition, there's no way that radical-6 would be a tight-lipped secret then. K has amnesia, and Dio's a scumbag. Tenmyouji has probably kept us in the dark all this while about it being the future for some reason. So that leaves Phi and Luna as two people who should know of radical-6's existence. Even Quark should have some knowledge of it, but he's been knocked out every time up til now. I don't think he's even heard about radical-6 in the game yet.
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David Corbett posted:As I've said in this thread before, I think Luna is the robot. She's the only one who seems to pick the same thing every time in the voting, whereas everyone else seems to change their mind in accordance with the morphogenic field. That doesn't make her a robot, it makes her just nice.
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Super Jay Mann posted:I always figured Junpei connecting to child Akane was just a gigantic fluke borne from Akane's desperation and that Junpei otherwise never had any special morphogenic field powers of his own. Although I guess if he was really committed to finding Akane all those years he could have tried to develop something. Isn't Junpei a morphogenetic receiver?
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ApplesandOranges posted:So the question is: how far into the future are we? If I remember correctly, Luna's actual job is still up in the air (she has medical training but is not actually a doctor or nurse?) so she may have some incentive to play naive about the whole thing, but that's just a guess. Phi is still as much of a mystery as she was at the start of the game. Incidentally, if this really is far into the future, my "Phi is Sigma's daughter(granddaughter?) from the future" crackpot theory is still in play!
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Super Jay Mann posted:If I remember correctly, Luna's actual job is still up in the air (she has medical training but is not actually a doctor or nurse?) Medical physicist is my guess.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Isn't Junpei a morphogenetic receiver? Receiver and transmitter; he could both receive from and send to Past Akane.
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I know 999 didn't have outdated tech, but did they call out a specific year for its setting? Maybe it happened in an alternate 60s and Junpei is naturally this old in the 2020s. Clover and Alice would be pod due to the age difference (assuming each are human non-clones), but not necessarily siggy
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Sentient Data posted:I know 999 didn't have outdated tech, but did they call out a specific year for its setting? Maybe it happened in an alternate 60s and Junpei is naturally this old in the 2020s. Clover and Alice would be pod due to the age difference (assuming each are human non-clones), but not necessarily siggy 999 takes place in 2027, this game ostensibly takes place in 2028 but that's looking less and less likely given what we've seen.
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I still think K is the Gaulem. Hiding the robot guy under the robot suit would be quite the double-bluff. Also he has part of his memory missing, right? It's easier to wipe memory on a machine than a person. Yes that's my entire justification. Anyway, nothing says that someone looking to make a robot that can imitate a person so perfectly that you'd never be able to tell wouldn't also make that robot bleed when cut. It'd be a pretty lame infiltrator otherwise. edit: God dammit MarquiseMindfang fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Oct 25, 2015 |
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MarquiseMindfang posted:I still think K is the Gaulem. Hiding the robot guy under the robot suit would be quite the double-bluff. Also he has part of his memory missing, right? It's easier to wipe memory on a machine than a person. I love how, sixty years later, he's still utterly convinced that nonsense is true.
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Materant posted:There's also the part where the ends have to be pointing in the right direction, otherwise gently caress you. That poo poo tripped me up for a solid half hour trying to figure out what the hell I was doing wrong. Seconding this. I've played with tangrams before, so making a parallelogram was challenging, but not the part that got me stuck.
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GilliamYaeger posted:I love how, sixty years later, he's still utterly convinced that nonsense is true. He could just be messing with her.
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whitehelm posted:He could just be messing with her. Could also be his way of letting Clover know who he is, after all, the Ice-9 thing was shared knowledge in the last Nonary game. By revealing that he reveals that he has knowledge of the events without also spelling out "I have knowledge of the events."
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Everyone's jumping on the 'Junpei is Tenmyouji' train, but remember there was another character in 999 who carried around a photo of Akane, had white spiky hair, and would obviously understandably claim to Quark "No, not my first love". Maybe it's a bluff. Or a double bluff. Or a triple bluff. Or maybe he's neither of them, he's someone else entirely, and you're all being Uchikoshi'd.
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Blinus posted:Everyone's jumping on the 'Junpei is Tenmyouji' train, but remember there was another character in 999 who carried around a photo of Akane, had white spiky hair, and would obviously understandably claim to Quark "No, not my first love". Actually, Junpei IS Santa.
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You're just saying that because he's old, has white hair, and has somewhat ill-defined relationships with young children. That's ageism!
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Bruceski posted:Actually, Junpei IS Santa. And now someone has to do a Tenmyouji version of this image: 
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Blinus posted:Everyone's jumping on the 'Junpei is Tenmyouji' train, but remember there was another character in 999 who carried around a photo of Akane, had white spiky hair, and would obviously understandably claim to Quark "No, not my first love". Clover mentioned previously that her esper powers haven't appeared to be working, mentioning the possibility that there is a stronger esper absorbing her powers. The explanation that seems most plausible to me, with our current information, is some combination of a) We are significantly in the future (synced up exactly to another eclipse?), thus Clover has no receiver, b) there is a stronger esper, probably Tenmyouji, or c) we don't have enough information to even come close to guessing. I doubt Sigma or Phi could be absorbing Clover's powers because they don't seem to absorb each other's powers. Given the above information, if Tenmyouji is someone from 999, it seems most likely to be Junpei. However, I'm somewhat skeptical of the Tenmyouji = Junpei theory, primarily because of Junpei being related to the Mars test mission seems somewhat out of character to me.
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Clover failing to get Snake on the line makes sense if we're as far into the future as the Tenmyouji = Junpei theory suggests - Snake's not only much older, but radical-6 has had time to do its work. There's a very real possibility everyone else from the 999 cast is dead.
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