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We could always go on to cat breeds. How about a tank called the Ragdoll?
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The Roosevelt Bull Moose
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Oct 25, 2015 23:22
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What about Luchse (Lynx)? Both a cool feline and also native in Germany (although in small numbers after reintroduction).
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Oct 25, 2015 23:32
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Falukorv posted:What about Luchse (Lynx)? Already taken, at least twice.
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Oct 25, 2015 23:33
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Pallas Cat.
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Oct 26, 2015 00:15
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Pampas cat.
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Oct 26, 2015 00:20
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Cythereal posted:Pallas Cat. The name should at least try and impart a sense of grace and power. "Pallas Cat" has neither.
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Oct 26, 2015 00:21
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ArchangeI posted:The name should at least try and impart a sense of grace and power. "Pallas Cat" has neither. Pallaskatze has both.
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Oct 26, 2015 00:25
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Pictured: grace and power.
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They could last decades just using different names for the puma. Panzer, Berglöwe, Kuguar, Rottiger, Hirschetiger, Silberlöwe, Katzeberg, Maler...
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Oct 26, 2015 00:42
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Panzer is "shell", like on a turtle. Panther is, with much originality, "panther". Edit : VVV O yeah totally. I was giving the best one word translation I could. The relevant translation to tanks is "armor", but the actual word "armor" is different yada yada blada you can't expect one word translations to be perfect. Xiahou Dun fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Oct 26, 2015 |
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Oct 26, 2015 00:49
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Xiahou Dun posted:Panzer is "shell", like on a turtle. Or more specifically, "armor" A Panzerkampfwagen is an Armored Fighting Vehicle.
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Oct 26, 2015 00:58
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O and happy 600 year anniversary of Agincourt. That's pretty cool.
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Xiahou Dun posted:Panzer is "shell", like on a turtle. Huh. All this time I assumed "panzer" had come to mean "armour" because the Germans named an early tank after the panther.
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Chamale posted:They could last decades just using different names for the puma. Panzer, Berglöwe, Kuguar, Rottiger, Hirschetiger, Silberlöwe, Katzeberg, Maler... What's german for catamount. e: katzeberg be closest, maybe? e2: Chamale posted:Huh. All this time I assumed "panzer" had come to mean "armour" because the Germans named an early tank after the panther. If you read it really effeminately and with a lisp it kinda sounds like panther. Frostwerks fucked around with this message at 02:06 on Oct 26, 2015 |
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So, binging on Zaloga's T-64, T-72 and T-80 books really shows off that Cold War Soviet tank procurement was kinda hosed. Be warned, I am phone posting here. First you have the 64 that initially had the kind of reliability problems that one would expect from Ferdinand Porsche that were not fixed for some time. These problems gave an opening for Uralvagonzavod to propose a simplified and cheaper model that became the 72. Later, because of a head - honcho's massive boner for turbine engines, the 80 was ordered into production. So what resulted was 3 very similar tanks that were only substantially different in regards to their engines, drive trains and suspensions. However what this meant was that now you have 3 different logistical chains of spare parts which is terrible for sustainability. Adding to these problems, the development and manufacturing of the tanks was spread out all over the drat place. Kharkov, Leningrad, Omsk and Uralvagonzavod. Which of course all had close link to thier local party bosses who did their damndest to pork barrel for thier local factory, stats be dammed. For the 80, concerns about it's massive fuel requirements combined with the later evolution of the 64's 5TDF engine (and the usual personality conflict dickwaving) resulted in the Kharkov plant producing T-80's with a diesel engine instead of the gas turbine. They wanted to call it the T-84 (and later did after soviet collapse) to invoke the T-34/44/54/64 lineage but the establishment didn't want to make it known that they actually producing 4 different tanks that had similar combat worth, but different engines. So it got called the T-80UD instead. Oh and that fancy new turret the T-80U got? Originally intended for a T-64 upgrade project. Which actually reminds me of another issue, the first 80's had a worse turret and armament than the concurrent 64B because the development of the 80 was based on the outdated 64A. For whatever reason a few hundred of these "pre production" 80s were produced despite being an overall step back compaed to the 64B. Only later once the 80B (which basically took the guts of the 64B turret and put them into a new 80 turret) came into production did the 80 line get up to standard. Also, while this shitshow was going on, the boys and girls at UVZ were quietly putting the 72B into production which had the same armament, but a better armored and designed turret. It also cost significantly less than the 80 because it didn't use the turbine of the 80. For reference, the 72 engine cost 10kRUB, while the 80 engine cost an astounding 100kRUB. I think when I get some time later I'll put together a real effort post on the subject. 
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Frostwerks posted:What's german for catamount. "Z" makes a 'ts' sound in German so not really.
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I was reading about the acid attacks against women, and after my rage subsided I started wondering if stuff like that was ever used in war, specifically pre-firearms. Like, did anyone think of splashing an opponent in the face with lye right before engaging them with sword or axe?
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Animal posted:I was reading about the acid attacks against women, and after my rage subsided I started wondering if stuff like that was ever used in war, specifically pre-firearms. Like, did anyone think of splashing an opponent in the face with lye right before engaging them with sword or axe? Lye or acid would take a lot of preparation and would be expensive. Hot water was commonly poured on besiegers from castle walls, as would hot sand and rarely hot oil (since it was also rare and expensive).
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Xerxes17 posted:Also, while this shitshow was going on, the boys and girls at UVZ were quietly putting the 72B into production which had the same armament, but a better armored and designed turret. It also cost significantly less than the 80 because it didn't use the turbine of the 80. For reference, the 72 engine cost 10kRUB, while the 80 engine cost an astounding 100kRUB. I guess there's a reason why T-80s are relatively rare, at least in fiction. OK, Afghanistan book fun 2, more memories of Lithuanian infantry dudes. *They loved selling scrap to the Afghans. So much so that they would ride a tank over a BMD to sell the aluminum - of course, all the radios and fun stuff had already been stripped by that point. They sell it, make a hefty wad of cash, and the USSR gets to make and an another BMD. *Drivers drive while halfway out of the hatch, maneuvering levers with their legs, so if/when mines happen, they would get thrown out of the vehicles instead of getting pasted inside. *war is horrible, until you get used to it, then you get bored sitting at the base and just want to go out and shoot people *sometimes, your political officer can get into a BMP and start lighting up herds of horses because he's a sadistic prick *when storming a kishlack you will steal stuff - foods, blankets, everything. Found a ram? Put that sucker in your BMP. Back in the camp, one guy will lover the barrel (I assume he's driving something heavier armed than a BMP-2), you put a rope on it, tie it around the ram, lift it up, slice its throat... Look, a lot of people still come from a rural background, they know how to prepare ram. *explosive bullets explode chickens, which is bad for eating. *you might try out how well you emplaced the mortar by dropping a few rounds on sheep *back in Afghanistan, nobody minds if you go fishing with grenades. You lob in a few, and then the guys downstream collect the catch. *working as a mechanic is great, because you can steal and sell parts from the warehouse *one Lithuanian dude on guard duty almost got a medal for apprehending two Russian conscripts stealing a truck wheel at night (Afghans love to put the wheels on their carts). One guy gets shot in the butt and through the lung in an escape attempt. *sauna, kitchen and medical personnel have many young women among them, which keeps them well supplied with dicks *soldiers who don't get smokes get a kilo or two of sugar a month. That sugar goes into making vodka. Nobody ever makes vodka, because the soldiers finish the pre-vodka broga. There was even a mechanic who made a vodka plant that never had a complete run, since soldiers come for a "taste test" and finish the whole thing. *Ammo and guns get thrown into a ditch and dug over when you need to leave Afghanistan (well, when everyone is leaving) *Mustering out is still a clusterfuck that only ends once you reach a rail station, then it transforms into a drunken train ride *So, the end of the war is near, offensives aren't happening, you just hold ground in defensive actions. A mechanized company is keeping a spot somewhere. One guy, a transfer from Spesnaz, feels superior to everyone else, walks around without armor, gets hit by sniper, dies later on. They get the order to shoot his flackjacket, to make it look like the regulations were observed. Another guy almost blows himself up while disarming his own grenade booby trap (it blows up, but he survives). Another guy kicks an RPG dud. Turns out, that's all the encouragement the RPG round needed to explode. And a BMP backing up near a wiped out Afghani post gets hit by a mine. The best machine (Russians call vehicles machines at times, and so do we) in the company is totaled, but all the three guys in it survive due to luck and some flying about. *Food supply is a never ending problem, and one Lithuanian dude gets shot four times in the back while going back from foraging in a kishlak. He survives. *Everyone hates the Asian recruits, nobody cares about Afghani allies. That's it for the book, I think.
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JcDent posted:*you might try out how well you emplaced the mortar by dropping a few rounds on sheep Insert your own MGS5 joke here.
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Insert your own MGS5 joke here. Hey guys what if the Soviets depopulated Afghanistan with a Fulton skyhook onslaught?
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Chamale posted:Huh. All this time I assumed "panzer" had come to mean "armour" because the Germans named an early tank after the panther. No, many germanic languages have it for personal armour. In my native Danish it's "Panser" for instance. It used to refer to thick hide or personal mail armour, but has since both kept that meaning and become synonomous with the AFV-pertaining term 'armor".
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Xiahou Dun posted:O and happy 600 year anniversary of Agincourt. That's pretty cool. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9VJzKNhp0s Frostwerks posted:If you read it really effeminately and with a lisp it kinda sounds like panther. Xerxes17 posted:T-84  JcDent posted:Turns out, that's all the encouragement the RPG round needed to explode Keldoclock fucked around with this message at 08:55 on Oct 26, 2015 |
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Keldoclock posted:Kids (and adults who never learned the lesson) in current, former and future warzones: UXO is some dangerous poo poo. It's probably the second most dangerous thing in a warzone, right after the enemy. Don't gently caress around with it if you don't know what you're doing. A few years ago, a few yokels discovered an unexploded German aerial bomb in my home city. Being yokels, they jumped on it, bashed it with showels, tried to pry off those... metal...things that bombs use to fall accurately. Right in the middle of yard surrounded by living spaces, and next to both a diesel cistern and piles of metal scrap. Now, since you have yet to hear about a Lithuanian torn in half by world's largest frag grenade, the bomb didn't explode and someone eventually called in the military to defuse it. The head yokel still wanted to be compensated for his find.
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Chav Boy and girl found a WW2 tank round dud here and wanted to turn it into a cool ashtray or something. Tried to saw it open in the bathroom. The torsos were pretty much the only thing that was left of them, the rest had to be scraped from the tiles.
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JcDent posted:those... metal...things that bombs use to fall accurately Fins, like on a fish.
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100 Years Ago The invaders of Serbia begin moving on Nis, as some of the Brits at Salonika start moving to do something useful (for a given value of 'useful'). The Austro-Hungarians on Podgora repel attacks with copious hand grenades, that poor sod from yesterday finds out what FP No. 1 actually means, and it's all jolly hockey-sticks for Lieutenant Bernard Adams, quite literally.
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BalloonFish posted:But not far-fetched enough for the RN to issue a new boarding pik pattern in 1894: http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/30108347 That's got to be almost entirely the Victorian navy love of Nelsonian flim-flam because come on even in a gunboat worried about pirates, you'd be far better served with a shotgun than a pike, for deterrence value alone.
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Deptfordx posted:That's got to be almost entirely the Victorian navy love of Nelsonian flim-flam because come on even in a gunboat worried about pirates, you'd be far better served with a shotgun than a pike, for deterrence value alone. Guns are a bitch to use on a rolling deck, especially on the kind of small vessels that you are doing coast guard or anti-piracy poo poo on. Doubly so in the age where a bolt action rifle or a pump shotgun were the state of the art. Also, the US issued a m1917 Navy Cutlass. Was it ever used? Who knows, but someone thought it was something that should be bought and the US didn't have the raging Nelson hardon that the RN did. edit: the US cutlass was based on a Dutch weapon from the late 1890s. It's not just a brit thing. edit x2: the last time the Brits used a cutlass in a boarding operation was the 1940 Altmark incident. Dudes chose to grab a sword over a pistol or whatever and I doubt it was due to them all wanting to engage in some pirate funtime. Cyrano4747 fucked around with this message at 14:46 on Oct 26, 2015 |
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Pointy things are actually a very good psychological deterrent and a pike can also be used as a physical barrier. Keep in mind that the RN was also in the business of dispatching avisos to show the flag and impress upon the natives the Superiority of the Crown. Pikes are useful for that purpose - keep the natives off the dock, etc. Also people are much less likely to try to climb up the sides of the boat if you poke them in the top of the head with a sharp stick.
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JaucheCharly posted:Chav Boy and girl found a WW2 tank round dud here and wanted to turn it into a cool ashtray or something. Tried to saw it open in the bathroom. The torsos were pretty much the only thing that was left of them, the rest had to be scraped from the tiles. You're Austrian right? Do you remember when/where that happened?
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IM_DA_DECIDER posted:You're Austrian right? Do you remember when/where that happened? "Chav" indicates Britain to me.
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JcDent posted:"Chav" indicates Britain to me. Ahh yes, the many dud German tank shells left on English soil from Operation Sealion.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Pointy things are actually a very good psychological deterrent and a pike can also be used as a physical barrier. It's also worth mentioning that they even had a Pike in Star Trek. 
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When camping in certain European Russia, it's a good idea to go over your fire pit with a metal detector. Once we dug up a mortar shell. Sans detonator, thankfully, since my uncle had the bright idea of tossing it into the fire later to burn out the TNT so we had a cool souvenir.
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Ensign Expendable posted:When camping in certain European Russia, it's a good idea to go over your fire pit with a metal detector. Once we dug up a mortar shell. Sans detonator, thankfully, since my uncle had the bright idea of tossing it into the fire later to burn out the TNT so we had a cool souvenir. How does anyone living in a former ww2 battlezone make it to adulthood? Jesus.
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Ensign Expendable posted:When camping in certain European Russia, it's a good idea to go over your fire pit with a metal detector. Once we dug up a mortar shell. Sans detonator, thankfully, since my uncle had the bright idea of tossing it into the fire later to burn out the TNT so we had a cool souvenir.  I imagine you had to stand back a bit while waiting for it to burn out?
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