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Salt Fish posted:Fly as fast as you can; you won't live to see anything we haven't already visited up close with a probe. If you fly for 35 years maybe you can pass a voyager. Thanks to the magic of relativity, you can get anywhere in the universe in a few seconds-as-you-experience it once you get close enough to lightspeed.
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Oct 25, 2015 20:09
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Space technology has been advancing pretty strongly and this rock is turning into a hideous mess so it's only natural to look at space and say "hey let's go gently caress that up too." space is mostly dead, empty and/or irradiated though so strip mining asteroids and dumping trash doesn't harm anything
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Oct 25, 2015 20:32
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This is exactly why poo poo is hopeless. A sizable portion of the population is intent on humanity's self-destruction. They are like cancer cells who want to grow uncontrollably, even if it kills the host.
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Oct 25, 2015 20:57
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blowfish posted:space is mostly dead, empty and/or irradiated though so strip mining asteroids and dumping trash doesn't harm anything We'll find a way to ruin space. I have faith in the human race's capacity for being awful.
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Oct 25, 2015 20:58
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enraged_camel posted:This is exactly why poo poo is hopeless. A sizable portion of the population is intent on humanity's self-destruction. They are like cancer cells who want to grow uncontrollably, even if it kills the host. Not really. Just because some states are filing suit doesn't meant they'll stop the law. Any plan that can't survive any opposition is a bad plan.
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Oct 25, 2015 21:33
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At this rate we better hope for a economic crisis that makes the great depression seem like picnic and which lasts for several generations. This late in the game it seems to be the only way drive down consumption sufficently rapidly to prevent worldwide ecological collapse.
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Oct 25, 2015 23:35
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Baudolino posted:At this rate we better hope for a economic crisis that makes the great depression seem like picnic and which lasts for several generations. This late in the game it seems to be the only way drive down consumption sufficently rapidly to prevent worldwide ecological collapse. Yes, more misery will surely making things better!
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Oct 25, 2015 23:36
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Trabisnikof posted:Not really. Just because some states are filing suit doesn't meant they'll stop the law. Any plan that can't survive any opposition is a bad plan. They may not be able to stop it, but the problem is that they are slowing down progress by forcing the country to defend the obviously correct plan of action. Literally every climate model we've seen clearly shows that we are already way behind where we need to be in order to not turn the planet to hell. We don't have the luxury of wasting time and resources on frivolous lawsuits or petty obstructionism. Yet that's exactly what we're doing.
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Is the plan, in this case, the rule of law? Because I'm willing to throw out that old chestnut to save humanity.
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Baudolino posted:At this rate we better hope for a economic crisis that makes the great depression seem like picnic and which lasts for several generations. This late in the game it seems to be the only way drive down consumption sufficently rapidly to prevent worldwide ecological collapse. Nah. Don't get entirely focused on what the government is and isn't doing. I think that's a weakness of the thread, if not in the modern progressive mindset. Most real changes, historically, have come from somewhere else, and people have had to raise a ruckus about it first. There are a lot of interesting changes on the way, some of which we can anticipate: solar and wind getting cheaper, cloned animal meat as a food source, graphene superconductors, 3D printing, organic waste as a source of biogas, carbon removal technologies, "blue crude," urban farming, kelp seabed farms, etc. There's a lot of room for hope here if you look around a little bit, even if you discount certain long shots like workable fusion, permanent lunar colonies, or asteroid mining (which would solve at least some of the imminent peak-mineral problem). An economic crisis would just make everything harder. We're already looking at a gradual reinvention of human civilization. There's no reason to tear the whole goddamned thing down first. enraged_camel posted:Literally every climate model we've seen clearly shows that we are already way behind where we need to be in order to not turn the planet to hell. We don't have the luxury of wasting time and resources on frivolous lawsuits or petty obstructionism. Yet that's exactly what we're doing. I have a feeling that's not going to shake down as well as they'd like, especially if Hillary Clinton ends up in the Oval Office. At this point, going against the Clean Power Plan is also putting them up against the U.S. military and intelligence communities. We're probably not that far off from a point where opposing climate change legislation is an effective way to commit political suicide, especially if a Patricia-style hurricane hits someplace in the continental forty-eight. I suppose this is another good reason to start paying attention to local government, though.
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Oct 26, 2015 00:59
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The Belgian posted:Yes, more misery will surely making things better! We make a lot of people kind of unhappy now or we make more people far more miserable later. And face extinction. But... enraged_camel posted:They may not be able to stop it, but the problem is that they are slowing down progress by forcing the country to defend the obviously correct plan of action.  WE MUST SAVE THE COAL JOBS!!!!!!
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Oct 26, 2015 00:59
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ToxicSlurpee posted:We make a lot of people kind of unhappy now or we make more people far more miserable later. And face extinction. I wonder how many ideologies around the world expressed this sentiment. (I wonder how many would also answer that question with "ours is legitimate, though.")
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Oct 26, 2015 01:04
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enraged_camel posted:They may not be able to stop it, but the problem is that they are slowing down progress by forcing the country to defend the obviously correct plan of action. Unless they get an extension to the implementation date they actually aren't slowing down anything.
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Oct 26, 2015 01:16
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Trabisnikof posted:Unless they get an extension to the implementation date they actually aren't slowing down anything. You realize that Congress is full of their obstructionist Tea Party critters who have the ability to bring the entire nation to the brink of bankruptcy if they don't get their way, right? That lawsuit is only ONE front on which the battle is waged.
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Wanderer posted:I have a feeling that's not going to shake down as well as they'd like, especially if Hillary Clinton ends up in the Oval Office. At this point, going against the Clean Power Plan is also putting them up against the U.S. military and intelligence communities. We're probably not that far off from a point where opposing climate change legislation is an effective way to commit political suicide, especially if a Patricia-style hurricane hits someplace in the continental forty-eight. Do not fear for the good folks at Stanford University put on their thinking caps and deviced a solution to hurricanes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7uRtxl8j2U Stanford university posted:In Katrina's case, an array of 78 000 wind turbines off the coast of New Orleans slowed simulated wind speeds by 130 kilometers per hour and decreased storm surge by up to 71 percent. In Isaac's case, the same array of turbines could have decreased peak wind speeds by up to 92 kph and reduced storm surge by up to 60 percent. 
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Oct 26, 2015 02:11
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Trabisnikof posted:Not really. Just because some states are filing suit doesn't meant they'll stop the law. Any plan that can't survive any opposition is a bad plan. Except the Tea Party makes it their job to even oppose GOOD plans. Meanwhile, they rush to save the whip and buggy industry. Anosmoman posted:Do not fear for the good folks at Stanford University put on their thinking caps and deviced a solution to hurricanes This is asinine.
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CommieGIR posted:This is asinine. Not really. Actually just this morning I was wondering how much effort it'd take to be able to reign in a hurricane. Now I know
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computer parts posted:I wonder how many ideologies around the world expressed this sentiment. The major difference between climate change and other ideologies is that climate change has actual hard scientific data that says "this is highly likely to be very, very bad." It isn't a guarantee that things will be doom and gloom, we're going extinct levels of awful but the consensus is "poo poo is going down, end result will be not pretty." Like the best case scenario is famine in many parts of the world, political instability results, our numbers go down a couple billion, we stabilize from there and adapt to the hot rock. Meanwhile a small number of us frantically scramble to get space things set up because this, right now, may be our only chance. It's risky as gently caress and they might all just die in the process.
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Oct 26, 2015 02:31
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Like the best case scenario is famine in many parts of the world, political instability results, our numbers go down a couple billion, we stabilize from there and adapt to the hot rock. Actually, this is the part that dips into ideology.
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computer parts posted:I wonder how many ideologies around the world expressed this sentiment. Crises have been invented before, therefore no crisis is ever real?
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VitalSigns posted:Crises have been invented before, therefore no crisis is ever real? Oh the crisis is real, just that the effects are most likely overhyped. If the effects are overhyped, then the reaction to those potential events can be inappropriate. Unless you have papers that suggest that at best, humanity will lose 30% of its population (as was alluded to in the previous post I quoted), anyway.
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CommieGIR posted:Except the Tea Party makes it their job to even oppose GOOD plans. Good thing the EPA already has the authority for this plan and the tea party can't do poo poo about it.
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Trabisnikof posted:Good thing the EPA already has the authority for this plan and the tea party can't do poo poo about it. Doesn't mean they can't get an injunction blocking it for the several years it sits in the courts.
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Anosmoman posted:Do not fear for the good folks at Stanford University put on their thinking caps and deviced a solution to hurricanes "Let's build a layer of wind turbines and/or solar panels over the whole planet, nothing could possibly go wrong", says Stanford scientist. You don't even need to read the video description to know it's Jacobson again. suck my woke dick fucked around with this message at 08:32 on Oct 26, 2015 |
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Except in this case "build a better world" means "literally causing an economic collapse" (or as someone suggested upthread, suspending the rule of law).
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computer parts posted:Except in this case "build a better world" means "literally causing an economic collapse" (or as someone suggested upthread, suspending the rule of law). What, massive climate change WON'T do the same thing?
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CommieGIR posted:What, massive climate change WON'T do the same thing? You probably won't get your Green God-Emperor if that is what you are hoping for. ISIS is a preview of the future.
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CommieGIR posted:What, massive climate change WON'T do the same thing? No but you see, we will all be dead by then and it will be a problem for future generations to deal with. Which is fine, we all had challenges growing up so why should they have it easy, right?? Harden the gently caress up, motherfuckers!!
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computer parts posted:Except in this case "build a better world" means "literally causing an economic collapse" (or as someone suggested upthread, suspending the rule of law). Are you trolling? In a world where advanced economies suffer chronically low demand and stagnating wages, large infrastructure projects will destroy the economy? Reminder that pollution from fossil fuels kills millions of people every year. Thanks for the concern troll though. Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 14:22 on Oct 26, 2015 |
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Arglebargle III posted:Are you trolling? In a world where advanced economies suffer chronically low demand and stagnating wages, large infrastructure projects will destroy the economy? He doesn't strike me as a particularly autistic poster so I assume he was being sarcastic.
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Lawman 0 posted:You probably won't get your Green God-Emperor if that is what you are hoping for. Uhhhh....okay then? enraged_camel posted:No but you see, we will all be dead by then and it will be a problem for future generations to deal with. Which is fine, we all had challenges growing up so why should they have it easy, right?? Harden the gently caress up, motherfuckers!! Baby Boomers 2.0: The Entitlement Train Rolls On.
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CommieGIR posted:Baby Boomers 2.0: The Entitlement Train Rolls On. To be honest entitlement and a refusal to change are some of the biggest issues we're facing now. How many people just can't live without their enormous, inefficient SUV, their plethora of electronic gadgets, and their over-sized house they only actually use a third of? You'll hear "well I earned this so everybody else has to tighten their belts!"
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ToxicSlurpee posted:To be honest entitlement and a refusal to change are some of the biggest issues we're facing now. How many people just can't live without their enormous, inefficient SUV, their plethora of electronic gadgets, and their over-sized house they only actually use a third of? You'll hear "well I earned this so everybody else has to tighten their belts!" The INSTANT gas prices dropped this summer, suddenly there was an outbreak of brand new SUVs and Pickups showing up on the highway. 
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CommieGIR posted:The INSTANT gas prices dropped this summer, suddenly there was an outbreak of brand new SUVs and Pickups showing up on the highway. Fuel efficiency is for communists and hippies, friend citizen. Buy. Consume. Nothing is ever enough. Waste as much as you can. You earned it.
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Lamar Smith can't stop being Lamar Smith: http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2015/10/26/global_warming_lamar_smith_wants_to_tie_noaa_in_knots.html quote:Rep. Lamar Smith, R-Texas, is a flat-out 100 percent global warming denier. He has made that very clear, writing embarrassingly wrong op-eds for the Wall Street Journal and engaging in Orwellian claims about climate science and politics. It’s clear he’s not a huge fan of politically independent science in general; for example he wants to gut peer-review in the National Science Foundation’s choices on what research to fund (instead, only allowing those that are politically approved).
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CommieGIR posted:Lamar Smith can't stop being Lamar Smith: There should be intelligence tests for politicians.
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blowfish posted:There should be intelligence tests for politicians. But then who will represent the idiotic people in the population?
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enraged_camel posted:But then who will represent the idiotic people in the population? They'll become a vocal minority. Or a majority.
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