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Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



like even if you were a fighter pilot and thought you were hot poo poo, you might be a big enough douchebag to wear the flight suit for every single family picture you pose for but you still wouldn't wear the whole g-harness rig and the helmet with the oxygen mask on and visor down

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Xenomrph
Dec 9, 2005

AvP Nerd/Fanboy/Shill



Fojar38 posted:

lol he shows up in his loving armor even in ghostly flashbacks
In that image's defense, it's a hologram projected from one of those little handheld holo-projector things.

Fojar38 posted:

im a professional diver so i wear full scuba gear for my family photos
Again in Fett's defense (yeah yeah, I know...) a big part of his character is that he identifies his helmet and armor as his "true persona". The good Boba Fett EU stories play with that idea, and it's one of the big contrasts between him and his father (especially Jango in the EU). You'll notice that Jango in the movies (and largely in the EU) never wears his helmet when he's with his son, and one of the Jango comics specifically has a scene where Jango sits his son down and talks to him about having time for work, and time for family, and the helmet comes off when it's family time.
Boba watching his father get murdered kind of hosed him up, and there's a couple instances where he tries to kill Jedi while using Mandalorian helmets as a symbol (rigging helmets to explode, etc).

In the Boba Fett comic where he takes out Jodo Kast, Fett is working with Dengar to track Kast down. Boba is suiting up aboard Dengar's ship, and Dengar asks him why he never lets anyone see his face. He puts on his helmet, turns to Dengar, points to his own helmeted head, and says, "this *is* my face".

Big Mean Jerk posted:

boba fett is a stupid character that only dumb fanboys love, hth
gently caress youuuuuuuuuu

but no seriously, Traviss ruined that character. Even I'm willing to admit that, and I'm a huge Boba Fett fanboy.

Also the image you posted was from Star Wars Tales, the sort of semi-canon anthology series. All in all it was a cool series and gave authors the freedom to just sort of gently caress around in the Star Wars galaxy, it was pretty great. Sometimes the stories were mega-goofy, sometimes they were funny, sometimes they tried to be serious (with varying results).

One of the standout ones I remember was one where Vader fights Darth Maul.
No no stop right there, I know what you're thinking ("that's loving retarded"). And the comic knew people would think that, so in the issues leading up to it they kept advertising it in ways that went more and more full retard, to show that they were in on the joke. The cover of the issue in question even had a goofy drawing of Vader and Maul in a boxing ring, with the silliest artwork as if to forewarn the reader, "Don't take this seriously, guys!"

And then the actual story was goddamn awesome. The artwork loving owned, right out of the gate the story established that the Darth Maul that Vader was fighting was a Sith construct thrown together by some acolytes trying to prove themselves to Palpatine, and the story gave some actual pathos to Vader as Maul proceeded to kick his rear end. The fight itself was loving excellent, and then the way Vader won was completely perfect:
Maul has Vader on his knees and has knocked his lightsaber away. He's berating Vader for not being a true Sith, for once being a Jedi, and for not having enough hate to do what needs to be done as a Sith. Maul is about to land the killing blow, and he says, "What could you POSSIBLY hate enough to destroy ME?"
To which Vader replies, "Myself." And then he Force-pulls his lightsaber into his hand, puts the hilt to his own chest, and turns it on. Lightsaber blade goes right through his own chest and spears Maul in the heart, killing him.
Palpatine promptly fries the Sith acolytes for being fuckups, he and Vader walk out to the Emperor's shuttle, with Vader wondering if this had all just been a test orchestrated by Palpatine.


There was another fun story where a bunch of random cantina patrons are telling tall tales about meeting famous Star Wars characters, and they keep one-upping each other with their ridiculous, obviously wrong exploits. Some sort of fight breaks out with some named character right in front of them, and the very moment it concludes they're already telling each other how the fight went down and how much they contributed to it (again, all of it wrong).

I need to go back and re-read the Tales issues. They had some goofy poo poo, but they had a lot of fun stories too.

quite stretched out
Feb 17, 2011

the chillest
that's fuckin dumb

Xenomrph
Dec 9, 2005

AvP Nerd/Fanboy/Shill



no accounting for taste

It's okay, we're still cool, may the force be with you

TK-42-1
Oct 30, 2013

looks like we have a bad transmitter



I can see the psych damage with fett since he sees dads head get popped off and just has the helmet. It kid of mirrors Rorschach in Watchmen.

I guess the point is that no one writes anything in Star Wars as if they were real people.

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.
boba fett is the johnny five aces of star wars

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Aug 6, 2013


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Xenomrph posted:

no accounting for taste

It's okay, we're still cool, may the force be with you

Seriously though, why the love for Boba Fett? Like I'm genuinely curious if you read stuff I didn't read as a kid or if you just took a completely different message from it than I did.

I'll be honest, a HUGE reason I think Boba Fett is dumb (or at least overrated) is incessant fanboyism. Similar to Final Fantasy VII or Nightmare Before Christmas. Sure I liked them, but their fans magnifies their flaws.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

Big Mean Jerk posted:

boba fett is the johnny five aces of star wars

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



Basically if your thing is "mysterious, laconic mercenary badass," any amount of exposure is probably going to kill that eventually.

this is actually one of the biggest sins of the prequels and EU in general. it's okay for some things we see on screen to be unexplained and just be cool background stuff.

the story we fill in with our heads when we see a masked killer with a jetpack, or some weird monster with stilt legs, or hear references to "Clone Wars" or whatever is 99% of the time going to be a lot cooler and more interesting than trying to incessantly explain it all with backstory and sidestory and poo poo.

Punished Chuck
Dec 27, 2010

Can anyone post Traviss's meltdown when Clone Wars threw out all her poo poo? I don't like her and would get a hearty lol from it.

She pulled that same "force her own opinions front-and-center" thing in the Halo novels she wrote, too. I mean, yeah, I'm reading Halo novels, I shouldn't expect too much, but the Nylund stuff was pretty good, but once Traviss took over the first two novels of her trilogy were 2/3 actually pretty good stuff, and 1/3 making Dr. Halsey (the head researcher in charge of the supersoldier project that created Master Chief et al) miserable and making GBS threads on Halsey and characters telling Halsey how awful she is and Halsey sobbing about what a bad person she is, et cetera and so forth. Because she experimented on kids to make the supersoldiers and Traviss really wants you to know that she doesn't like that, to the point that even the guy that trained them as child soldiers and tazed a bunch of six-year-olds on their first day in the program tells her how disgusted he is with her. I never bothered with the third because it was really creepy how much of a grudge the author had against a fictional character in a bunch of dumb sci-fi novels based on a video game.

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Aug 6, 2013


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Otisburg posted:

Basically if your thing is "mysterious, laconic mercenary badass," any amount of exposure is probably going to kill that eventually.

this is actually one of the biggest sins of the prequels and EU in general. it's okay for some things we see on screen to be unexplained and just be cool background stuff.

the story we fill in with our heads when we see a masked killer with a jetpack, or some weird monster with stilt legs, or hear references to "Clone Wars" or whatever is 99% of the time going to be a lot cooler and more interesting than trying to incessantly explain it all with backstory and sidestory and poo poo.

Well to be fair, Lucas picked just about the stupidest possible explanation/scenario for the clone wars. It wasn't necessarily that he went with an idea different than most fans, it's that he went with an idea so impossibly lame and full of its own plot holes that people were floored by how bad it was.

Xenomrph
Dec 9, 2005

AvP Nerd/Fanboy/Shill



WeaponGradeSadness posted:

Can anyone post Traviss's meltdown when Clone Wars threw out all her poo poo? I don't like her and would get a hearty lol from it.

She pulled that same "force her own opinions front-and-center" thing in the Halo novels she wrote, too. I mean, yeah, I'm reading Halo novels, I shouldn't expect too much, but the Nylund stuff was pretty good, but once Traviss took over the first two novels of her trilogy were 2/3 actually pretty good stuff, and 1/3 making Dr. Halsey (the head researcher in charge of the supersoldier project that created Master Chief et al) miserable and making GBS threads on Halsey and characters telling Halsey how awful she is and Halsey sobbing about what a bad person she is, et cetera and so forth. Because she experimented on kids to make the supersoldiers and Traviss really wants you to know that she doesn't like that, to the point that even the guy that trained them as child soldiers and tazed a bunch of six-year-olds on their first day in the program tells her how disgusted he is with her. I never bothered with the third because it was really creepy how much of a grudge the author had against a fictional character in a bunch of dumb sci-fi novels based on a video game.
She posted it all to her blog, and then deleted it when she bailed on her writing contract for Imperial Commando (the planned sequel to Order 66). Web archive or whatever might have a copy somewhere, but I'm too lazy to go digging.

tactlessbastard
Feb 4, 2001

Godspeed, post
Fun Shoe

Otisburg posted:

like even if you were a fighter pilot and thought you were hot poo poo, you might be a big enough douchebag to wear the flight suit for every single family picture you pose for but you still wouldn't wear the whole g-harness rig and the helmet with the oxygen mask on and visor down

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Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?




daft punk doesn't count because they're actual robots

Mr.Pibbleton
Feb 3, 2006

Aleuts rock, chummer.

Groovelord Neato posted:

that's impossible cd argues that the prequels are good.

Good lord!

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

WeaponGradeSadness posted:

Can anyone post Traviss's meltdown when Clone Wars threw out all her poo poo? I don't like her and would get a hearty lol from it.

She pulled that same "force her own opinions front-and-center" thing in the Halo novels she wrote, too. I mean, yeah, I'm reading Halo novels, I shouldn't expect too much, but the Nylund stuff was pretty good, but once Traviss took over the first two novels of her trilogy were 2/3 actually pretty good stuff, and 1/3 making Dr. Halsey (the head researcher in charge of the supersoldier project that created Master Chief et al) miserable and making GBS threads on Halsey and characters telling Halsey how awful she is and Halsey sobbing about what a bad person she is, et cetera and so forth. Because she experimented on kids to make the supersoldiers and Traviss really wants you to know that she doesn't like that, to the point that even the guy that trained them as child soldiers and tazed a bunch of six-year-olds on their first day in the program tells her how disgusted he is with her. I never bothered with the third because it was really creepy how much of a grudge the author had against a fictional character in a bunch of dumb sci-fi novels based on a video game.

I was a diehard bungie fan, posted on the forums for a literal decade, bought all the toys and went to all the midnight releases. I read 3/4 of Traviss's first book, read that 343 was using her as a story consultant, and quit the franchise.


Traviss is awful

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

WeaponGradeSadness posted:

Can anyone post Traviss's meltdown when Clone Wars threw out all her poo poo? I don't like her and would get a hearty lol from it.

She pulled that same "force her own opinions front-and-center" thing in the Halo novels she wrote, too. I mean, yeah, I'm reading Halo novels, I shouldn't expect too much, but the Nylund stuff was pretty good, but once Traviss took over the first two novels of her trilogy were 2/3 actually pretty good stuff, and 1/3 making Dr. Halsey (the head researcher in charge of the supersoldier project that created Master Chief et al) miserable and making GBS threads on Halsey and characters telling Halsey how awful she is and Halsey sobbing about what a bad person she is, et cetera and so forth. Because she experimented on kids to make the supersoldiers and Traviss really wants you to know that she doesn't like that, to the point that even the guy that trained them as child soldiers and tazed a bunch of six-year-olds on their first day in the program tells her how disgusted he is with her. I never bothered with the third because it was really creepy how much of a grudge the author had against a fictional character in a bunch of dumb sci-fi novels based on a video game.

Isn't this the same person who interject "The Handmaid's Tale" stuff into Gears Of War novels? Jesus Christ, she needs to take a break from writing licensed property novels and just write original fiction if she wants to delve into those concepts.

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I think she also did Gears of War too....I have the book here but I don't think I read more then a chapter.

I really wish the early Star Wars audio books weren't abridged...I mean lots of good unabridged stuff but there is some Jame Luceano Darth Vader book from 2005 and it just annoys me that it was abridged for some reason. Thank god audible and digital audio books pretty much end abridged audio books. The star wars ones tend to be really nicely done.

Chill la Chill
Jul 2, 2007

Don't lose your gay


Otisburg posted:

Basically if your thing is "mysterious, laconic mercenary badass," any amount of exposure is probably going to kill that eventually.

this is actually one of the biggest sins of the prequels and EU in general. it's okay for some things we see on screen to be unexplained and just be cool background stuff.

the story we fill in with our heads when we see a masked killer with a jetpack, or some weird monster with stilt legs, or hear references to "Clone Wars" or whatever is 99% of the time going to be a lot cooler and more interesting than trying to incessantly explain it all with backstory and sidestory and poo poo.

Yeah I liked not seeing the Hoth monster too.

Chill la Chill
Jul 2, 2007

Don't lose your gay


I didn't realize the extent of Traviss' influence. It's sad cuz it looks like themes I actually enjoy about sci-fi. Jurassic park is one of my favorite models because it's a classic morality tale about science going too far. Child soldiers are bad and the handmaid's tale is another one of my favorite books.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
---------------------------->
cant stand handmaids tale myself

talk about blunt

Xenomrph
Dec 9, 2005

AvP Nerd/Fanboy/Shill



What is the handmaid's tale?

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:

Xenomrph posted:

What is the handmaid's tale?

The GOPs wet dream

Chill la Chill
Jul 2, 2007

Don't lose your gay


Fojar38 posted:

cant stand handmaids tale myself

talk about blunt
Crime and punishment is another of my favorite novels.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

Xenomrph posted:

What is the handmaid's tale?

A book that is better than any EU novel

William Bear
Oct 26, 2012

"That's what they all say!"
Emperor Palpatine's Advisors were, in the EU, the most powerful civilians in the Empire. Palpatine delegated much of his rule to them while he was doing Dark Side things.

They dressed like this:



Does Penishead on the left have a story?

Chill la Chill
Jul 2, 2007

Don't lose your gay


William Bear posted:

Emperor Palpatine's Advisors were, in the EU, the most powerful civilians in the Empire. Palpatine delegated much of his rule to them while he was doing Dark Side things.

They dressed like this:



Does Penishead on the left have a story?

Ahahaha I forgot about these guys. There was an objective or epic card in the CCG with this picture and I loved playing it.

Xenomrph
Dec 9, 2005

AvP Nerd/Fanboy/Shill



Wasn't it retconned that one of those guys is Sate Pestage (from the Xwing comics and novels) just like how Tycho Celchu was retconned into being one of the on-screen Awings?

McPhearson
Aug 4, 2007

Hot Damn!



WeaponGradeSadness posted:

Can anyone post Traviss's meltdown when Clone Wars threw out all her poo poo? I don't like her and would get a hearty lol from it.

The entry from her blog when she announced leaving Star Wars is here. I would like to know what exactly they changed that got her so pissed, though.

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

McPhearson posted:

The entry from her blog when she announced leaving Star Wars is here. I would like to know what exactly they changed that got her so pissed, though.

Traviss depicted Mandos as honor-bound farmers who only fought for noble causes or whatever the gently caress. Basically imagine how white people view native americans and maori and apply that to a race of space nomad people who dress like Boba Fett and live on Nebraska: The Planet. The Clone Wars series depicted mandalore as having a ruling monarchy that was being harassed by dudes dressed like Boba on a planet with high technology and cool looking skyscrapers. It also gave Obi-Wan (JEDI OLIGARCHY!!!) a good love interest and most of the armor-wearing mandos were bad guys who sided with darth maul and his insane brother (seriously) in a later episode.

Chill la Chill
Jul 2, 2007

Don't lose your gay


:vince: these Star Wars cards I have with 3D cartoons make sense now. There's a set called night brothers and this lady with an Obi relation in her text.

Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'

WeaponGradeSadness posted:

Can anyone post Traviss's meltdown when Clone Wars threw out all her poo poo? I don't like her and would get a hearty lol from it.

She pulled that same "force her own opinions front-and-center" thing in the Halo novels she wrote, too. I mean, yeah, I'm reading Halo novels, I shouldn't expect too much, but the Nylund stuff was pretty good, but once Traviss took over the first two novels of her trilogy were 2/3 actually pretty good stuff, and 1/3 making Dr. Halsey (the head researcher in charge of the supersoldier project that created Master Chief et al) miserable and making GBS threads on Halsey and characters telling Halsey how awful she is and Halsey sobbing about what a bad person she is, et cetera and so forth. Because she experimented on kids to make the supersoldiers and Traviss really wants you to know that she doesn't like that, to the point that even the guy that trained them as child soldiers and tazed a bunch of six-year-olds on their first day in the program tells her how disgusted he is with her. I never bothered with the third because it was really creepy how much of a grudge the author had against a fictional character in a bunch of dumb sci-fi novels based on a video game.

i thought the short story she did about cortana and the gravemind was pretty good

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

Chill la Chill posted:

:vince: these Star Wars cards I have with 3D cartoons make sense now. There's a set called night brothers and this lady with an Obi relation in her text.

clone wars is a pretty solid watch if you cherry pick. The last season and a half in particular is pretty solid, lots of vietnam analogues and characters pointing out how stupid the jedi are in the prequels. I followed this guide and was pretty satisfied with what I watched.

Sammus
Nov 30, 2005

Big Mean Jerk posted:

Traviss depicted Mandos as honor-bound farmers who only fought for noble causes or whatever the gently caress. Basically imagine how white people view native americans and maori and apply that to a race of space nomad people who dress like Boba Fett and live on Nebraska: The Planet. The Clone Wars series depicted mandalore as having a ruling monarchy that was being harassed by dudes dressed like Boba on a planet with high technology and cool looking skyscrapers. It also gave Obi-Wan (JEDI OLIGARCHY!!!) a good love interest and most of the armor-wearing mandos were bad guys who sided with darth maul and his insane brother (seriously) in a later episode.

Clone Wars makes mandos Space Fascists with Warrior Culture. Obi's love interest tries to change that and bring peace to her planet, but her people are all too happy to drop that peace poo poo and be Space Nazis in a second, if it makes the space trains run on time. And there is some poo poo about honorable one on one duels and "You keep what you kill."

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Millions of Crows
Mar 31, 2010

take a look overhead

William Bear posted:

Emperor Palpatine's Advisors were, in the EU, the most powerful civilians in the Empire. Palpatine delegated much of his rule to them while he was doing Dark Side things.

They dressed like this:



Does Penishead on the left have a story?

I want to see these guys as British workplace comedy series. Lots of one liners and heavy laugh track.

KiteAuraan
Aug 5, 2014

JER GEDDA FERDA RADDA ARA!


Sammus posted:

Clone Wars makes mandos Space Fascists with Warrior Culture. Obi's love interest tries to change that and bring peace to her planet, but her people are all too happy to drop that peace poo poo and be Space Nazis in a second, if it makes the space trains run on time. And there is some poo poo about honorable one on one duels and "You keep what you kill."

Pre Vizla (the main bad Mando guy) is basically a gently caress you to Fandalorians in that he basically is them. He's a goofball making his own Mandalorian armor to play dress up in, babbling on and on about what a noble, proud and great warrior culture they are and how they would be awesome again if not for the loving JEDI! Also, he talks a big game about how much better he is than Jedi and Sith, and yet Obi-Wan and Darth Maul both kick his rear end. It's hilarious.

Booblord Zagats
Oct 30, 2011


Pork Pro
It pretty much painted the armor wearing Mandolrians as the equivalent to KKK members still mad about the South losing the Civil War, while the ruling class was a bit hamstrung in how to deal with them since they didn't want to come off as the oppressive regime that Viz was painting them as. Then ObiWan ends up with a Space Templar boner for their queen but since they're both level headed adults with a healthy and respectful outlook tot heir responsibilities, they just pace themselves and keep from pulling an Anakin-Padme, as they aren't selfish retards.

Everything about that story arc was the writers taking a huge poo poo on Lucas and Traviss' moronic bullshit, and you had better believe it owned

Chill la Chill
Jul 2, 2007

Don't lose your gay


Big Mean Jerk posted:

clone wars is a pretty solid watch if you cherry pick. The last season and a half in particular is pretty solid, lots of vietnam analogues and characters pointing out how stupid the jedi are in the prequels. I followed this guide and was pretty satisfied with what I watched.

Thank you, friend. I'll add this to the queue after I finish my Jojo viewing.

Defiance Industries
Jul 22, 2010

A five-star manufacturer


Fojar38 posted:

im hoping disney will issue a press release pointing out that nothing depicted in any of these things is real and so technically its all non canon

Neither is anything in the bible, and that's where the term "canon" comes from :smug:

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Tender Bender
Sep 17, 2004

I can't get over what an incredible parting shot "His first name is Sheev" was. Lucas is a brilliant master troll.

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