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Cartoon posted:That's a blatant misrepresentation. Sorry if I've misrepresented your opinion. The opinion that you've just stated here is the exact opposite of Danish planning experts.
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decriminalising weed would lead to a huge increase in bikes as a mode of transport.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 10:25 |
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and I just realised I did the dane/dutch thing gently caress
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 10:26 |
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Solemn Sloth posted:and I just realised I did the dane/dutch thing gently caress It's cool, Amsterdam is also regarded as one of the world's best cities for commuter cycling and has cycling rates on par with Copenhagen IIRC.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 10:29 |
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Solemn Sloth posted:put bollards up at every intersection overnight check mate car havers word. this is exactly what the dutch do. eliminates rat runs as access roads become for access only, if you want to drive anywhere you have the hit the ring roads around the towns/cities.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 10:29 |
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Jeez they still do the national anthem in assembly? I never sung along all year round. And in any case no one could describe the national anthem as joyous, unless it's the Radiohead version.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 10:45 |
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Jumpingmanjim posted:Jeez they still do the national anthem in assembly? I never sung along all year round. Mate if you don't sing it in joyful strains you're a fucken liar
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 10:47 |
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I think the problem could be beyond bollards
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 10:55 |
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the richest people in Australia got that way from mining or property development, so the status quo of building cities outwards in an unbroken line of mcmansions isnt going to change or even get better.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 11:05 |
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To me the entirety of the bike helmets thing is a cost benefit analysis. On the issue of bike helmets you have two competing needs, the first is safety the second is participation. If we take as read that helmets increase safety and decrease participation (though I'm sure someone will argue with both of these) we have to look at the weight of the costs and the benefits. Head injuries are hosed, in terms of personal cost and community cost. Reducing head injuries by any appreciable amount is well worth it. Cycling rates are low, increasing cycling rates would help with transportation, infrastructure usage, and community health. The question is then as follows: Are we willing to make the trade of head injuries as a result of no helmets in exchange for an increasing the number of cyclists by the amount of people who do not cycle due to helmet laws. I see the amount of people who do not cycle anywhere in our cities due to helmet laws as being very low. This may be different in copenhagen where there is infrastructure to support it but the majority of people who don't cycle don't do it not because "I hate helmets" but because of "I'm gonna loving die" or "It's really loving far". So to me the cost of head injuries is greater than the benefit of increased cyclists because I see the number of people by which cycling participation increasing as being very small. If we had high density cities, with decentralised business districts, good bicycle infrastructure and safety such that not requiring helmets would result in a massive upswing in bicycle usage, sure, I can see the reason for not having mandatory helmets. Since we have loving none of that I don't see the loving point except to let idiots who are worried about their hair or are lazy get head injured and be a drain on the rest of us.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 11:06 |
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I see plenty of hipsters tooling around helmetless on fixies but to my somewhat disappointment they remain not dead, leading me to believe the risks of cycling/posing are somewhat overblown
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 11:11 |
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hooman posted:To me the entirety of the bike helmets thing is a cost benefit analysis. Is there a way to meaningfully compare cycling deaths in Australia to, say, Copenhagen? I just want to know how dangerous it is to cycle in Australia but I suck at stats.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 11:18 |
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Don Dongington posted:One of the newer buildings up there on Lord st in East Perth has a bit of that going on, so perhaps it's a sign of things to come. Holycow. You live near me. They're doing the 5 storey apartment thing in bassendean and it looks awesome. I really wish they'd do more of it around and crunch down the urban sprawl. I live here because it's the cheapest place I could find within a set distance of my work and friends. This city is an endless hell scape of suburbs.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 11:19 |
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lua posted:
Let's do nothing, then? Let's keep building our cities like country towns, forever.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 11:25 |
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hooman posted:To me the entirety of the bike helmets thing is a cost benefit analysis. I've read arguments that mandatory bike helmet laws can actually have a negative affect on bike safety, because although they decrease the likelihood of sustaining a significant injury in a crash, they increase the likelihood of a crash occurring in the first place because bike riders who wear helmets behave more aggressively, as do car drivers who overtake helmet-wearing cyclists. I've no idea whether that's true or not but due to the incredible complexity of the situation there's basically no way to test whether any given hypothesis is true.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 11:37 |
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I'm going to say it's probably because there's no idiots on the radio inciting drivers to run over cyclists in copenhagen.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 11:46 |
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Can we get a summary of all the arguments for/against helmets please
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 11:51 |
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helmets are cool and good - darth vader
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 11:54 |
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whats the current situation with car vs cyclist accidents? ie how is fault determined. similar to car v car? or is like closer to pedestrian v car?
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 12:17 |
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Konomex posted:Holycow. You live near me. I only live here because MY GIRLFRIEND bought down here a few years ago because it was close to her work and her folks and is locked into a mortgage, but you know what, I like it. When the pub goes up in 2025 or whatever, we should catch a beer. Negligent posted:helmets are cool and good And the Helmets have it.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 12:28 |
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Don Dongington posted:On the subject of stupid town planning though, stupidest thing I've seen recently: Every time I head over to the Woolies in Wellard, which thankfully is rare, it just feels like such a soulless place. Like, it should be good and the layout should be better than most new developments, but it just seems wrong somehow. Maybe it is the complete lack of actual office space that makes it feel so fake. And yeah, I always get a good laugh about building apartments way the gently caress down here. Like you said, who the hell wants an apartment in the middle of nowhere that isn't much cheaper than way closer to the CBD? Even Cockburn Central would be better. We've been house sitting just up the road in Bertram for the past 18 months, and we hate it. By far the worst aspect is the soul crushing commute to the CBD. With the current housing downturn, all these suburbs down here are going to be absolutely hosed. We just put an offer on a place in Leeming, I don't care how much I lose in the coming years, anything is worth paying to get out of here. On the subject of bike commuting in Perth, I still try to ride 1 day a week to West Perth from Bertram, and even though it takes forever, it's totally worth passing hundreds and hundreds of cars between Rowley and Berrigan, and then again from Leech to Canning. On the days when traffic is particularly bad, I'll pass easily recognisable vehicles way down near Anketell, and won't see them again until South Terrace. How people can do that 5 days/week, all year long is beyond me. Especially when the train is so much faster. Can't until I get back to the 5 day bike commute when I'm closer
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 13:10 |
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Totally, the lack of office space is ridiculous. I would totally consider sacrificing 10k a year to work down here and not have to train it and bus it to the uni and back every day. I'd consider it buying back 10 hours of my time a week, totally worth it. Also I drive in once a week so I can go straight to rehearsal from work and don't have to leave my guitar there, and if you leave before 7 it's only about 40 mins - but that's no good when you're expected to work until 4:30 when the rest of your project team goes home, plus I like to read. I don't think the housing downturn is going to hit people down here that hard. Our mortgage is only like 390, (and the place is worth more than that atm) so it can lose a full third of it's worth and we'll still be only like 80k down - my friend with a 1.7M Mcmansion in Yokine lost 200k on his already, and if he can't sell next year he's going to be out a lot more. Moving off Wellardchat - I've been following the news on the Dismissal over the past couple of days, and I'm wondering if anyone else finds it kinda surreal that the Libs and Kerr have basically been implicated with what essentially amounts to a literal treasonous coup, in cahoots with two foreign powers - and nobody's saying poo poo? All of the conditions that allowed this to take place are still kinda of around - none of the laws have been changed right? ASIO are still way too friendly with the libs, the only real difference is that they don't seem to control the courts anymore (as evidenced by the frequent smackdowns delivered to Greg Hunt lately). I feel that's got to pose some level of risk, should a slightly radical left wing Labor party ever be elected again. Gives me the heebie geebies a little. Context: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...023-gkhb1a.html And a bit but eh. https://www.rt.com/op-edge/198420-australia-pm-whitlam-intelligence-usa/
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Kommando posted:Mandatory helmet laws hurt bicycle sharing schemes as a casual user, of which many are, will not be carrying a helmet around in case they happen to use a bike share Likewise, the whole thing with being able to lock up your bike somewhere but not the helmet is easily solved by employing someone to store the things on site. Mad Katter posted:At the risk of posting 5000 times on this page, I see removing mandatory helmet laws as an important incremental change to make. There's no real reason not to
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 13:37 |
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Albo is leaving Grayndler to become Greener pastures and heading to Barton.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 13:41 |
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Birb Katter posted:Albo is leaving Grayndler to become Greener pastures and heading to Barton. That doesn't sound right. Barton being a marginal seat with a stronger conservative feel to it.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 13:47 |
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Didn't the NSW Greens recently say they were planning on hitting Grayndler hard though? Yeah I don't see them ousting Albo, but perhaps someone with a lick of sense got involved and decided it'd be better to hand it to them, and parachute albo into a marginal seat that he's likely to win, given his star power?
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 13:51 |
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Solemn Sloth posted:Just read this on the age, it's a shiite month of mourning so a school allowed children to leave during the national anthem as they are not supposed to take part in anything joyful such as music. Some white as gently caress useless old grandmother is frothing at the mouth and senator lambie is revving up her engines too. The victorian education department appears to be standing behind the school and hopefully continues doing so. This is actually quite funny. There is actually a religion that doesn't take part in singing any national anthems because they believe that their allegiance isn't towards any earthly country but towards their God. They have been doing this since their religion was founded. Wait, what do you mean it isn't Islam? Wait, Jehovah's Witnesses are white, never mind.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 13:59 |
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Albo was miles ahead in the 2PP last election, but if the Libs preference the Greens ahead of Labor it suddenly becomes a marginal seat. I think the Libs would probably do that if Albo was running for PM, and it would put Labor in a pretty difficult position if their leader lost his seat to the Greens.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 13:59 |
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Oh yeah, and I think the seat redistribution favours the Greens.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 14:03 |
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EvilElmo posted:That doesn't sound right. Barton being a marginal seat with a stronger conservative feel to it. I don't want to get in the way of your feelpinions but the seat redistribution combined with Labors complete no show in national politics mean that desperate people will do desperate things. Australia First Reporting posted:Labor's Chris Bowen, Anthony Albanese, Joel Fitzgibbon eye new seats
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 14:07 |
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BBJoey posted:I've read arguments that mandatory bike helmet laws can actually have a negative affect on bike safety, because although they decrease the likelihood of sustaining a significant injury in a crash, they increase the likelihood of a crash occurring in the first place because bike riders who wear helmets behave more aggressively, as do car drivers who overtake helmet-wearing cyclists. I've no idea whether that's true or not but due to the incredible complexity of the situation there's basically no way to test whether any given hypothesis is true. There are some ways based on data analysis and ratios. https://theconversation.com/putting-a-lid-on-the-debate-mandatory-helmet-laws-reduce-head-injuries-1979 That's one there. I'll have a look to see if I can see any of the evidence of increased non head injury crashed associated with helmets. I have see some studies about headgear in rugby which has a correlated an injury rate with wearing headgear/pads, but I don't know about bicycles. EDIT: Actually seems like there's quite a bit https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safety-and-road-rules/cyclist-safety/wearing-a-bicycle-helmet hooman fucked around with this message at 14:30 on Oct 26, 2015 |
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I think Albo would still win Grayndler in a canter. The redistributed boundaries include 14,000 extras from the solidly Liberal parts of Drummoyne which might cause problems if they preference the Greens, but there doesn't seem to be a strong Green presence in the area. Countervailing this is 27,000 voters from the Balmain peninsula which Grayndler is taking from Sydney. Those booths ran solidly for Plibersek last time, I don't see Albo having trouble there. The reason Albo is considering jumping seats is because his office, residence and a chunk of his Marrickville base got put into another electorate.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 20:55 |
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Preferred PM- Shorten 17%
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 21:06 |
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Albo would also be moving because spill soon and he would hate to become leader only to lose to a green.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 22:45 |
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Anidav posted:Albo would also be moving because spill soon and he would hate to become leader only to lose to a green. Huh? Redistribution is helping Albo against the Greens because it's taking away the strongest Green area in his electorate around Newtown and giving him the red booths of Balmain/Rozelle.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 23:27 |
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Albo's moving to a more conservative electorate because he wants to properly represent his pro child rape party.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 23:38 |
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Birdstrike posted:Huh? Redistribution is helping Albo against the Greens because it's taking away the strongest Green area in his electorate around Newtown and giving him the red booths of Balmain/Rozelle. I'm guessing he wants to absolutely guarantee his preservation when the Turdball rolls over Bill.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 23:39 |
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yeh okay Anidav we'll go with your wild guessing over the observations of someone in the electorate backed up by the AEC results of the last two elections
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 23:45 |
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Thanks.
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# ? Oct 26, 2015 23:47 |
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hooman posted:There are some ways based on data analysis and ratios. This is good stuff, thanks. It's kinda weird to me that this has become such a bitter partisan topic; eg poking around in the comments I found this site which seems to be about how the mainstream media doesn't want to tell the public that mandatory helmet laws are killing Australia.
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