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Smoothrich posted:Hillary is so bad, you have no idea. She's going to fall apart in a general election. She's an heiress beyond scrutiny in this NYC/Beltway media bubble world, but not the real one. Biden would've been a better candidate, he wasn't so patronizing and elitist in his manners and methods like Hillary is. She's exactly the kind of candidate that a completely out of touch Democratic Party needs to run to lose in a landslide too. She's cringeworthy to a lot of people to even hear speak, its like a "brown note" blaring that upsets people even in focus study groups so they keep her voice and mannerisms out of media, just her name in it. This post is masterfully crafted to sound like the disillusioned people being written about who ignore all poll numbers and just assume there is too much Hillary Hatorade for her to be electable.
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Epic High Five posted:It Hillary is really so transparently guilty then she should still be elected over the GOP candidate, because even worse than being guilty of some weird, nebulous transgression is being so incompetent that you can't prove the guilt of one super obviously guilty person despite years and millions of dollars and tons of political capital. Who do you want to have the keys to the nukes? Trump
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mlmp08 posted:This post is masterfully crafted to sound like the disillusioned people being written about who ignore all poll numbers and just assume there is too much Hillary Hatorade for her to be electable. Nope, he's a crazy person and I often feel bad about making fun of him. The sheer volume of material that he manages to post almost completely excludes him from being a troll and puts him in the crazy person scenario. He doesn't just post a lot, every post is a longform gem.
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Pohl posted:Nope, he's a crazy person and I often feel bad about making fun of him. It feels like talking to a reincarnation of Caro (PBUH), honestly.
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Smoothrich posted:Hillary is so bad, you have no idea. She's going to fall apart in a general election. She's an heiress beyond scrutiny in this NYC/Beltway media bubble world, but not the real one. Biden would've been a better candidate, he wasn't so patronizing and elitist in his manners and methods like Hillary is. She's exactly the kind of candidate that a completely out of touch Democratic Party needs to run to lose in a landslide too. She's cringeworthy to a lot of people to even hear speak, its like a "brown note" blaring that upsets people even in focus study groups so they keep her voice and mannerisms out of media, just her name in it. It's like if Kyoon tried his hand at trolling.
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Alter Ego posted:It's like if Kyoon tried his hand at trolling. Kyoon would be way better since his posts would be like a Randpaul speech, starting halfway rational then taking the express train to crazytown halfway through.
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Oct 27, 2015 13:23
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Pohl posted:Nope, he's a crazy person and I often feel bad about making fun of him. Smooth Toblerone.
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Oct 27, 2015 13:24
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gradenko_2000 posted:What the hell happened in 1984 It was a lot like 2012, except that the Reagan administration competently dealt with the crippling economy and recession it faced from the get-go so he won in a land-slide, as opposed to the Obama administration which won, but lost ground from 2008, on the strength of incompetent economic policy and falling back on fear-mongering "war on women" crap. Reagan was able to run on his economic record, Obama after getting smashed by Romney in the 1st debate which was the economy debate had to pivot the next day to campaigning on WOMEN'S HEALTH. To his credit and Romney's discredit it actually worked. The GOP royally hosed up a gimme in 2012 with major national candidates feeding right into the war on women crap with "legitimate rape" comments.
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Oct 27, 2015 13:26
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Montasque posted:I saw a Mitt Romney drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's. His hair was perfect AWOOO werewolves of London's not ready for the Olympics.
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Oct 27, 2015 13:34
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the_paradigm_shift posted:lol, first term when he hasn't even seen a primary and the general map so bad for the GOP? sure, why not amuse yourself with silly dreams In 2007 Hillary was the defacto nominee for months and months, until Obama started catching on, democrats saw him as viable and endorsements started snowballing. Then he won the primary and general in a landslide, now democrats from coast to coast are proud to run on his record, except for a few contentious issues they need to deal with come re-election time. Hillary is still far and away the favorite to become our next president, but thinking she's a lock is naive regardless of who wins the republican nom. Should Trump win it and go to win the general, the old school republicans who originally pinned their White House hopes on dreams on JEB! will fall in line.
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/27/politics/ben-carson-donald-trump-cbs-poll/index.html Haha, remember when I said in this thread a few days ago that Trump attacking Carson would make Trump fall in the polls? I'm not crazy, I'm Really Smart, just like Dr. Ben is. He's probably going to uplift America out of poverty with his own GIfted Hands, or get assassinated by a Democrat once people realize he's not some gimmick.
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That's wrong. Obama was a strong candidate going all the way back to the 2004 dnc. There was no de facto nominee.
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Is Carsons "surge" just the evangelical wing deciding on someone with the rest of the GOP primary voters still undecided ?
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Smoothrich posted:http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/27/politics/ben-carson-donald-trump-cbs-poll/index.html His Gifted Hands probably killed a bunch of people, hth
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euphronius posted:That's wrong. Obama was a strong candidate going all the way back to the 2004 dnc. While Hillary might not have been defacto in 2008, she was by all accounts very strongly favored at the beginning. Obama was, prior to Iowa, thought of as an interesting up-and-comer who'd likely go places once Hillary's term(s) were over (or possibly even serve on her cabinet), but he was in no way broadly expected to last all that long in the primary. Any serious challenge was thought to come, hilariously in retrospect, from John Edwards Smoothrich posted:I'm not crazy, I'm Really Smart, just like Dr. Ben is. He's probably going to uplift America out of poverty with his own GIfted Hands, or get assassinated by a Democrat once people realize he's not some gimmick. You heard him guys, he's Really Smart. What a relief to learn, given that we'd all written him off as either a crazy idiot and/or low-order TT wannabe.
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Boosted_C5 posted:It was a lot like 2012, except that the Reagan administration competently dealt with the crippling economy and recession it faced from the get-go so he won in a land-slide, as opposed to the Obama administration which won, but lost ground from 2008, on the strength of incompetent economic policy and falling back on fear-mongering "war on women" crap. Reagan was able to run on his economic record, Obama after getting smashed by Romney in the 1st debate which was the economy debate had to pivot the next day to campaigning on WOMEN'S HEALTH. To his credit and Romney's discredit it actually worked. The GOP royally hosed up a gimme in 2012 with major national candidates feeding right into the war on women crap with "legitimate rape" comments. Did Reagan have congressional Democrats promise to fight everything he wanted tooth and nail? Before he was shot, obviously. 
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euphronius posted:Is Carsons "surge" just the evangelical wing deciding on someone with the rest of the GOP primary voters still undecided ? It's like Bachmann's "surge" and Cain's "surge" and Gingrich's "surge" and Fiorina's "surge". Ben Carson is getting a lot of media attention, which is causing people to recognize his name and respond favorably in polls. In a few days or a few weeks the some other event like a poll fluke, a straw poll win, a good debate performance, or a viral video will highlight another candidate and the media will start covering them more, at which point the added attention on someone new combined with the more recent negative coverage of Carson will lead to a polling decline.
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Is this the beginning of Trump's slide? Will Jeb!mentum take off now?
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Joementum posted:It's like Bachmann's "surge" and Cain's "surge" and Gingrich's "surge" and Fiorina's "surge". Yeah, I have a hard time believing that Ben Carson could say the same things Trump is saying and remain bulletproof (outside Iowa that is, anyway, because Iowa Republicans are horrible)
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Joementum posted:It's like Bachmann's "surge" and Cain's "surge" and Gingrich's "surge" and Fiorina's "surge". My first instict is to say you're right, but then I remeber that we all thought that with Trump back in June. This cycle... 
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The Nastier Nate posted:My first instict is to say you're right, but then I remeber that we all thought that with Trump back in June. I'm willing to believe that Trump is playing by his own rules this cycle, and the surge->scrutiny->decline cycle we saw in 2012 doesn't apply to him, even though he still won't be the nominee. But I think it's definitely what's happening with Carson, and what happened with Fiorina. My guess is it'll be Cruz's turn next.
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Alter Ego posted:Yeah, I have a hard time believing that Ben Carson could say the same things Trump is saying and remain bulletproof (outside Iowa that is, anyway, because Iowa Republicans are horrible) Ben Carson doesn't speak with insults, he speaks with experience from rising through every socioeconomic level in America guided with both Christian values and Scientific methods as a morally infallible reformist. He's some kind of unstoppable force if he takes over the narrative.
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Smoothrich posted:Ben Carson doesn't speak with insults, he speaks with experience from rising through every socioeconomic level in America guided with both Christian values and Scientific methods as a morally infallible reformist. He's some kind of unstoppable force if he takes over the narrative. herman-cain-newt-gingrich-michelle-bachmann-2012.txt
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I still find it funny how quietly and quickly Fiorina went from THE ANTI-TRUMP to basically nothing with barely a whimper. I guess it's hard to get those large donors to help you take advantage of your surge if everyone with half a brain knows you're a poo poo businesswoman.
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Joementum posted:I'm willing to believe that Trump is playing by his own rules this cycle, and the surge->scrutiny->decline cycle we saw in 2012 doesn't apply to him, even though he still won't be the nominee. that's terrible news, i dont want to have to look at or listen to cruz even if hes sinking his campaign
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Joementum posted:I'm willing to believe that Trump is playing by his own rules this cycle, and the surge->scrutiny->decline cycle we saw in 2012 doesn't apply to him, even though he still won't be the nominee. Cruz does seem likely, if only as the third attempt at providing a non-Trump 'outsider' following Fiorina and Carson
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Thump! posted:herman-cain-newt-gingrich-michelle-bachmann-2012.txt He's not any of those guys, he's a loving neuroscientist. I read his book talking about his work in Africa, his experience in executive management of various enterprises, his deep connection with the black community and everyone else in poverty because he grew up in it. http://www.amazon.com/The-Big-Picture-Ben-Carson/dp/031023834X I read that book while in jail and realized he's some magical force of Good that everyone loves for a reason. He's inspiring insightful and compassionate in a way a privileged blowhard like Trump or any other guy in politics isn't. Carson 2016: The Smart Choice
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Joementum posted:I'm willing to believe that Trump is playing by his own rules this cycle, and the surge->scrutiny->decline cycle we saw in 2012 doesn't apply to him, even though he still won't be the nominee. Do you think tomorrow's debate will decide the next Not-Trump?
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Related to the surge/scrutiny/decline model we've been talking about : a NYT/CBS poll released this morning is the first national poll that puts Carson ahead of Trump, 26 to 22 Cruz cratered pretty bad in this one but we'll see what the spin ends up being after tomorrow
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Tomorrow's the big day! Although, the thought of listening to Fiorina/Cruz/Huckabee say ANYTHING turns my stomach. Fiorina had two artificial, media-created bumps and neither of them were sustainable... time for her to go.
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Rappaport posted:Do you think tomorrow's debate will decide the next Not-Trump? It could! Cruz has been consistently awful at the debates (hilarious, given his trumpeting of his debate past) and Rubio has been consistently good. Rand has been the most gregarious at them, willing to say things that could get him a lot of attention and he knows tomorrow's debate may be make-or-break for his campaign.
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Carson has the highest likability ratings of anybody in the field, because it's impossible to dislike him once you start trusting him. If you weren't being blasted with hate speech about Carson being stupid, even though he appears to be incredibly intelligent, you'd realize Dr. Ben is a good guy. He just thinks the Democrats are evil, like all black Republicans do.
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Smoothrich posted:Carson has the highest likability ratings of anybody in the field, because it's impossible to dislike him once you start trusting him. If you weren't being blasted with hate speech about Carson being stupid, even though he appears to be incredibly intelligent, you'd realize Dr. Ben is a good guy. He just thinks the Democrats are evil, like all black Republicans do. What sorts of statements have you heard from Carson that makes you think that he has any policy or governing intelligence?
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Hillary is way more sera toCaptain_Maclaine posted:While Hillary might not have been defacto in 2008, she was by all accounts very strongly favored at the beginning. Obama was, prior to Iowa, thought of as an interesting up-and-comer who'd likely go places once Hillary's term(s) were over (or possibly even serve on her cabinet), but he was in no way broadly expected to last all that long in the primary. Any serious challenge was thought to come, hilariously in retrospect, from John Edwards I honestly do not remember 2008 that way at all. It was always a pretty strong 4 way race all through 2007.
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In fact looking at Wikipedia Obama was matching HRC in fundraising and Iowa was a three way tie more or less at the end of 2007.
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I'm not really worried about Carson's surge. Unlike Trump, Carson doesn't actually have any logical and concrete policy positions or proposals. Also he doesn't have the infrastructure and ground game. He's basically reminding me of Newt Gingrich from 2012. The break for a book tour is pretty revealing. Trump may be an outsider and may not bow to political correctness or GOP special interest dogma, but he IS also actually doing the things actual serious candidates do when it comes to hiring staff for a legitimate ground game state-to-state, consulting with experts to come up with policy (whether or not you agree with the policy proposals), etc. If Rubio or Bush surge, THEN I'll panic. As it stands, Carson could pull even in the polls and win the Iowa caucus, but it looks like Trump will easily carry the first few primaries. That will pretty much seal the deal.
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Giggle Goose posted:What sorts of statements have you heard from Carson that makes you think that he has any policy or governing intelligence? I just posted a book of his. He's written like 10 books. They're full of policy and governing intelligence, seriously that's all he talks about. His experience in poverty and model of leadership. Just read or watch anything that isn't Establishment smears, which is everything except his books and my tweets. All this biased poo poo that begins with a premise that he is stupid, is incredibly dishonest for "informing" the public on basic things. Follow me @danpavlosky to get the Real Take on politics, not the hacks and shills.
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