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Potential Patriot HoFers: Brady - Automatic. Gronk - Needs to stay healthy and productive for probably three more years. Wilfork - Decent chance. Mathew Slater - Decent chance. McCourty - Outside shot, unlikely.
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Kalli posted:Possible, but the Ravens have been close in every game so you just have to presume they'll ruin that draft position with 4-5 wins somewhere. The only silver lining to the Steelers blowing the Ravens game is that it may bump them down a few draft slots in the end.
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Seymour would've been at least close but Belichick threw him away to take advantage of poor Al's senility.
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NC-17 posted:Potential Patriot HoFers: If Arod doesn't get into the hall of fame, neither should Brady.
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mcmagic posted:If Arod doesn't get into the hall of fame, neither should Brady. Thankfully Brady won't be trying to get into the Baseball Hall of Fame.
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The thing is though nobody really says Belichick is the sort of draft genius that spots and grabs future HoFs. He's not good at it and knows it, and his strategy is to load up on mid-level draft picks and try to play the odds through getting a lot of potential players. I mean, first round draft pick lawrence maroney, lawl.
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Everyone thought Maroney was going to be great though. And he was. For exactly half a season.
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1. I did not say Ozzy is a bad drafter. I was merely questioning whether him drafting from a early spot is something other teams should "fear". 2. Please compare the spots from which Bill drafted and from where Ozzy was able to draft. 3. The draft is not about hitting on HoFers but about acquiring quality depth that allows you to win championships. 4. Additionally the difference between picking 1st and 32st can be reduced to the first overall pick, because if you that away, the 32st team will always pick on spot ahead. Based on that logic the question is how big the impact of such an pick would be, especially if you have filled the position with the by far highest impact (QB).
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evilweasel posted:The thing is though nobody really says Belichick is the sort of draft genius that spots and grabs future HoFs. He's not good at it and knows it, and his strategy is to load up on mid-level draft picks and try to play the odds through getting a lot of potential players. Well we did get into this discussion bc one of the resident Pats homers said something suggesting otherwise
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NC-17 posted:
Sounds like someone needs to be stuffed in a locker
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evilweasel posted:The thing is though nobody really says Belichick is the sort of draft genius that spots and grabs future HoFs. He's not good at it and knows it, and his strategy is to load up on mid-level draft picks and try to play the odds through getting a lot of potential players. Belichicks worth isn't in drafting hall of famers, but in cobbling together teams from cast-offs and what others perceive to be poo poo. It's pretty baffling watching what mid-level free agents do in that organization.
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GaussianCopula posted:4. Additionally the difference between picking 1st and 32st can be reduced to the first overall pick, because if you that away, the 32st team will always pick on spot ahead. Based on that logic the question is how big the impact of such an pick would be, especially if you have filled the position with the by far highest impact (QB). I literally have no idea what you are saying here.
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NC-17 posted:I literally have no idea what you are saying here. He means the 32nd pick in the first round will net a better player than the 1st pick in the 2nd round. It's a very stupid point and he probably should have omitted it.
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NC-17 posted:I literally have no idea what you are saying here. It's too stupid for me to parse, so I ignored it hth
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MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:It's too stupid for me to parse, so I ignored it hth this helped thank you
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You had me at 32st
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NC-17 posted:I literally have no idea what you are saying here. Team A is the first to draft, they get picks: 1,33,65,... Team B is the last to draft, they get picks: 32, 64, ... The big difference between A and B is that A get's the first draft pick, if you would remove that, they would be approximately have the same picks as Team B. Therefore the you can isolate the impact "Ozzy drafting from 1-5" has to the impact this one pick will have.
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Joey Freshwater posted:You had me at 32st Just saw that. 
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GaussianCopula posted:Team A is the first to draft, they get picks: 1,33,65,... Guess what though. The value of having THE #1 PICK IN THE DRAFT is far greater than the difference between 32nd and 33rd, or 64th and 65, etc, etc.
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I don't get why Patriots fans are talking about the 32nd pick like they're going to have it when it's really obvious that they won't. That's right, the team that is the obvious front-runner for pick 32 is the Lions, because the Patriots were forced to forfeit their first round pick for cheating.
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NC-17 posted:Guess what though. The value of having THE #1 PICK IN THE DRAFT is far greater than the difference between 32nd and 33rd, or 64th and 65, etc, etc. Sure it is, I never said anything to the contrary (actually I valued 32nd and 33rd as approximately the same).
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GaussianCopula posted:Team A is the first to draft, they get picks: 1,33,65,... And what is his record for 1st round picks, I wonder? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Baltimore_Ravens_first-round_draft_picks *vomits a list of hall of fame candidates*
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Big Ol Marsh Pussy posted:I don't get why Patriots fans are talking about the 32nd pick like they're going to have it when it's really obvious that they won't. 
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Chilichimp posted:And what is his record for 1st round picks, I wonder? quote:Kyle Boller Some crimes can't be overlooked. Although I guess that's really Brian Billick's fault.
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Big Ol Marsh Pussy posted:I don't get why Patriots fans are talking about the 32nd pick like they're going to have it when it's really obvious that they won't. 
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GaussianCopula posted:Sure it is, I never said anything to the contrary (actually I valued 32nd and 33rd as approximately the same). BUT #33 is actually Team A's 2nd pick you dolt
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Big Ol Marsh Pussy posted:I don't get why Patriots fans are talking about the 32nd pick like they're going to have it when it's really obvious that they won't. It's really not that much of a loss because Bill is not that great of a drafter.
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GaussianCopula posted:It's really not that much of a loss because Bill is not that great of a drafter. And because the players don't really matter when you cheat as well as they do.
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GaussianCopula posted:It's really not that much of a loss because Bill is not that great of a drafter. Oh word?
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90% of his picks are trading for other picks
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Big Ol Marsh Pussy posted:I don't get why Patriots fans are talking about the 32nd pick like they're going to have it when it's really obvious that they won't. true enough.But I think we also know the Bengals will be picking around #24 per usual.
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GaussianCopula posted:It's really not that much of a loss because Bill is not that great of a drafter. How is everything you say so wrong?
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GaussianCopula posted:It's really not that much of a loss because Bill is not that great of a drafter. You don't have to be a great drafter to hit in the first round.
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evilweasel posted:You don't have to be a great drafter to hit in the first round. Marty Hurney is a great example of this. Money in the first round: Julius Peppers, Chris Gamble, Jordan Gross, Thomas Davis, DeAngelo Williams, Jonathan Stewart, Jeff Otah, Cam Newton, Luke Kuechly. That is an amazing group of players. The rest of his picks though...
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You could say the same of current Vikings GM "Slick" Rick Spielman (except notable future RoY Stefon Diggs)
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Rick Smith has one of the better first round pick records but sucks nuts
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The Texans just released Ryan Mallet. edit: carry that info into the new thread PantsFreeZone fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Oct 27, 2015 |
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GC is the Pats homer that makes Pats homers go 
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GaussianCopula posted:Sorry but that makes no sense. If he were this gifted drafter god the Ravens would have won more than 2 Super Bowls/Conference titles and 4 division titles and a .561 win rate in the regular season. Compared to drafting from 32 even being the first to draft "only" gets you one special player and if you already have a QB that only gets you so far. goddamn that must suck
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Bill Belicheck drafted a guy from Ohio State that never saw the field on defense and only ever played special teams, hes a savant.
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