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Fenrir posted:Ok, so am I reading this right? (Dust of Dreams) Are the K'Chain Che'malle like, capable of genetic modification just by thinking about it? First it talks about that one who is old as gently caress but getting used to new wings and new eyes, then that drone starts mutating into something else. Sort of but not quite, I guess? The Matron appears to have something that could be viewed as an enhanced version of a hive queen's ability to choose what type of offspring it needs to birth, and for the most part there appear to be standard archetypes for it to select: the Hunter, the Warrior, the Assassin, etc... But they seem to be capable of greater precision or selection when it comes to genetic manipulation, and can, apparently if insane enough to conceive of the notion, make more minute changes or even cause alterations in existing specimens. Nanomachines are very clearly involved in many aspects of KCC existence, so it makes sense that that would be the mechanism by which such things are achieved 'outside the womb,' so to speak.
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(more Dust of Dreams) I don't know about actual nanomachines, even though it makes a fun joke, but you see and/or hear about them actively changing their own bodies according to what the need, which is some crazy poo poo.
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Oct 20, 2015 22:18
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Fenrir posted:(more Dust of Dreams) I don't know about actual nanomachines, even though it makes a fun joke, but you see and/or hear about them actively changing their own bodies according to what the need, which is some crazy poo poo.
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Oct 20, 2015 22:35
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Habibi posted:Oh, IIRC the nanomachinery is pretty explicitly described at several points in the series. Weird. I always thought it was more.. organic.
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Oct 20, 2015 22:58
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Fenrir posted:Weird. I always thought it was more.. organic. As one example off the top of my head, when haha holy poo poo how can I suddenly not remember her name, the witch who accompanies Karsa, what the gently caress, anyway when she [edit: SAMAR DEV] is dissecting the Nah'ruk Karsa killed with his bare hands, she discovers it filled with tiny machines. 'Nano' might be inaccurate in terms of scale, it might be more like 'micro' or 'mini' or whatever, but conceptually there's definitely some nanomachinery (nanomagiciary?) going on. Habibi fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Oct 20, 2015 |
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Oct 20, 2015 23:06
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It specifically mentions the Shi'Gal opening some new eyes for the first time even though he's hundreds of years old iirc, but I don't remember him delving into how they got there. I thought the difference was that the che'malle did biotech/gene stuff and the nah'ruk did nanotechnology/hovercrafts and poo poo but it's time for a reread...
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Oct 20, 2015 23:30
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The K'chain civil war would make a rad as gently caress videogame.
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Oct 22, 2015 17:59
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Does anyone remember what became of the Errant by the end of TCG? I recall Draconus killing Sechul Lath and Kilmandaros, but not what happened to Errastas.
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Oct 23, 2015 01:23
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zeal posted:Does anyone remember what became of the Errant by the end of TCG? I recall Draconus killing Sechul Lath and Kilmandaros, but not what happened to Errastas. If I recall, Errasts was next on Draconus' hit list. Just a shame we'll either not see that occur or that it will take a long time to see.
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Oct 23, 2015 03:03
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He ran for it. I think it's pretty safe to assume he'll show up in the Karsa books.
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Oct 23, 2015 06:51
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Does he even know who Karsa is? I wouldn't be opposed to him just getting nonchalantly creamed in an offhand scene.
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Oct 23, 2015 07:15
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acumen posted:Does he even know who Karsa is? I wouldn't be opposed to him just getting nonchalantly creamed in an offhand scene. The Errant is ripe for one of those huge build ups where the reader expects this massive, dramatic battle, only to get swatted as an afterthought before getting to something even better. Make it happen Erikson.
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Oct 23, 2015 15:26
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In TCG, Kilmandaros swats Errastas for poo poo talking Anomander. My reaction was pretty much, "God drat step on him already!" 
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Oct 23, 2015 15:35
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Ynglaur posted:The Errant is ripe for one of those huge build ups where the reader expects this massive, dramatic battle, only to get swatted as an afterthought before getting to something even better. Make it happen Erikson. I hope his death comes as suddenly and ignobly as Trulls. Karma is a bitch.
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Ynglaur posted:The Errant is ripe for one of those huge build ups where the reader expects this massive, dramatic battle, only to get swatted as an afterthought before getting to something even better. Make it happen Erikson. I'm not touching those spoiler bars because I'm still on book 4 of Dust of Dreams, but yes, this is exactly what I hope happens. (DoD) Remember how Cafal is just loving speared out of nowhere by a patrol and that's that? That's the kind of death the Errant deserves.... And then Toc or Whiskeyjack show up and make sure he goes to a special hosed up hell instead of being granted oblivion.
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Fenrir posted:I'm not touching those spoiler bars because I'm still on book 4 of Dust of Dreams, but yes, this is exactly what I hope happens. (DoD) Remember how Cafal is just loving speared out of nowhere by a patrol and that's that? That's the kind of death the Errant deserves.... And then Toc or Whiskeyjack show up and make sure he goes to a special hosed up hell instead of being granted oblivion. No, Hood needs to step in and bite his face off in the middle of some big speech about how clever he, the Errant, is or something, then send him to a special hell.
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Captain Monkey posted:No, Nope, Errastas is shiteing on about whatever he's shiteing on about and BOOM! Spear outta nowhere. Hello Babby Sengar 
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rejutka posted:Nope, Nope. Just as Errastas is about to blood sacrifice an orphanage to get himself a turkey sandwich, Udinaas appears out of the sky, turned into a soketaken dragon, and eats the bastard. "That's for Feather Witch," he whispers, before flying into the gate to Starvald Demelain, sealing it and finally ending the threat of Chaos.
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Infinite Karma posted:Nope. Just as Errastas is about to blood sacrifice an orphanage to get himself a turkey sandwich, Udinaas appears out of the sky, turned into a soketaken dragon, and eats the bastard. "That's for Feather Witch," he whispers, before flying into the gate to Starvald Demelain, sealing it and finally ending the threat of Chaos. Nope, Draconus forges Dragnipur 2.0 just for Errastas. Errastas gets to spend the rest of time dragging around a massive wagon.
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Oct 27, 2015 18:56
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i poop and pee on the Bad man - a fanfiction by Me
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In Midnight Tides, I find it strange about the Errant how he doesn't come across as the crazy rear end psychopath he's later known for. His involvement in the events near the end don't really portray him in a hugely negative light. His one big dick move is 'pushing' Brys to drink the poisoned wine along with the rest of the Letherii nobles. Does his interaction with Feather Witch in Reaper's Gale tip him over the edge or something?
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Oct 27, 2015 23:00
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In a way, yeah. I think the big deal is that he was just surviving while keeping a low profile, because no one was worshipping him. Then Feather Witch starts to sacrifice in his name and he gets ambitious and thirsty for more blood again.
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anilEhilated posted:In a way, yeah. I think the big deal is that he was just surviving while keeping a low profile, because no one was worshipping him. Then Feather Witch starts to sacrifice in his name and he gets ambitious and thirsty for more blood again. This. He got ebullient and, then, proflig[a/e nt] which, I dunno, [like to think E]. Both go red, but, E. Basically, he got drunk on new worship after tens of thousands of years and, well, you know yourself.
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Concurred posted:In Midnight Tides, I find it strange about the Errant how he doesn't come across as the crazy rear end psychopath he's later known for. His involvement in the events near the end don't really portray him in a hugely negative light. His one big dick move is 'pushing' Brys to drink the poisoned wine along with the rest of the Letherii nobles. Uhm I'm not sure exactly which book it happens in, but I'm pretty sure it's Reaper's Gale, the Errant goes batshit insane because of Warrens awakening in Letheras. He's the equivalent of the old master of the deck, and he's ready to go to war over being supplanted. That hasn't happened in Midnight Tides yet obviously.
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Concurred posted:In Midnight Tides, I find it strange about the Errant how he doesn't come across as the crazy rear end psychopath he's later known for. His involvement in the events near the end don't really portray him in a hugely negative light. His one big dick move is 'pushing' Brys to drink the poisoned wine along with the rest of the Letherii nobles. For this, we go back to our old friendly storyline map from the OP:  There's a lot of time between those two books, and during that time the Master of the Holds(Errant) begins to feel that he's being replaced by the Master of the Deck(Ganoes Paran). He does not take it well.
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Forge of Darkness spoilers: Errastas was a murderous fucker three hundred thousand years before all of that, with no worshippers, and nothing but ambition to motivate him. It's almost a trope in this series for the perception of a character to change dramatically from book to book, as they are shown from a more (or less) sympathetic point of view, as their circumstances change, or as more of their history is revealed.
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Khizan posted:For this, we go back to our old friendly storyline map from the OP: And the best part is it's a completely one-sided rivalry, as I don't remember Paran ever knowing or caring about the Errant.
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I haven't read Reaper's Gale in a few years and I forgot that entire schism happened 
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Leospeare posted:And the best part is it's a completely one-sided rivalry, as I don't remember Paran ever knowing or caring about the Errant. Even when they were on the same continent in TCG it doesn't look like Errastas ever made his presence felt around the former Dujek's Host. But then he was never one for confronting his peers head-on.
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Oh god reapers gale why beak? WHY?! 
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uh zip zoom posted:Oh god reapers gale why beak? WHY?! And that's not even the best worst part  Also oh god TCG Stormy and Gesler. Especially Gesler saving Bent
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uh zip zoom posted:Oh god reapers gale why beak? WHY?! Just wait, it gets loving worse. (DO NOT touch this spoiler unless you've finished at least RG)TRULL  I literally loving cried. Fenrir fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Nov 8, 2015 |
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Fenrir posted:Just wait, it gets loving worse. (DO NOT touch this spoiler unless you've finished at least RG)TRULL By the time I got to that part I had blown a sadness fuse in my brain and it was just kind of eh. Peak sadness is the death of Beak. My peak sadness moment for the whole series, however, is still the Chain of Dogs.
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REAPER'S GALE SPOILERS, THOU HAST BEEN WARNED, ETC. It's weird; I don't have the attachment to Beak like this thread (and I assume, most people) do, but Trull "Reluctant/Unaware Badass" Sengar actually choked me at the time. It's one of the few moments I sat with a book just saying 'No.... no no no!' to myself.
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I think they both hit in different ways. Trull is harder on a personal basis, we knew him for longer and it comes out of the blue and shocks you with its pure pointlessness. Beak's story feels like inevitable closure; guy was made to be a martyr figure.
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TGC spoiler barely related at all but it was just  . If it's your first time reading the series DO NOT READ.I liked Kalam poo poo-talking about he could probably take Icarium in a fight. Minala was all hell no. Kalam just kind of sighed and asked her to tell him about "that Tiste Edur" again.
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This is my first reread, so I'm not too worried about spoilers on my end.It's just that reading about Beak's past and how it influences the events is a lot more saddening to me than trull just because the latter is so out of nowhere Edit: apparently I completely forgot the aftermath of the field battle. when captain sort finds the body uh zip zoom fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Nov 10, 2015 |
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Just got to the part in Dust of Dreams where Hetan dies. What the hell was the point of any of that poo poo if it just ends like that.
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Lpzie posted:Just got to the part in Dust of Dreams where Hetan dies. What the hell was the point of any of that poo poo if it just ends like that.
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