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ToxicSlurpee posted:To be honest entitlement and a refusal to change are some of the biggest issues we're facing now. Nah, they're some of the biggest probelsm the next generation will be facing.
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Just in time for this thread, an actual conservation biologist has blogged (hurr durr) about the question of whether a mars colony would save earth (spoiler alert: it doesn't), raising the question of whether conservation biologist Corey Bradshaw is a loving goon 
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Who ever suggested sending billions of people into space was the idea in the first place? Send the best and brightest to create a new civilization and leave all us other retards on the planet to rot in the mess we've made.
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Oct 27, 2015 01:58
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Zeno-25 posted:Who ever suggested sending billions of people into space was the idea in the first place? Send the best and brightest to create a new civilization and leave all us other retards on the planet to rot in the mess we've made. It would take exactly one generation for your cool new civ to be ruined by a new crop of morons.
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Oct 27, 2015 02:04
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Zeno-25 posted:Who ever suggested sending billions of people into space was the idea in the first place? Send the best and brightest to create a new civilization and leave all us other retards on the planet to rot in the mess we've made. Unfortunately, they'll all die from a disease contracted from an unsanitized telephone.
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Oct 27, 2015 02:06
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Zeno-25 posted:Who ever suggested sending billions of people into space was the idea in the first place? Send the best and brightest to create a new civilization and leave all us other retards on the planet to rot in the mess we've made. I presume we measure "best and brightest" by net worth, as we do now.
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Oct 27, 2015 02:10
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The Larch posted:Unfortunately, they'll all die from a disease contracted from an unsanitized telephone. While the rest of us zeebs left behind make leaves the new currency and get filthy rich
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Oct 27, 2015 02:56
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Fuel efficiency is for communists and hippies, friend citizen. Buy. Consume. Nothing is ever enough. Waste as much as you can. You earned it. Fuel Efficiency is an admirable goal, but this is an innovation/access issue. We have a Prius in my household for commuting, but by-and-large good alternative fuel vehicles aren't particularly affordable or practical for a long distance commuter. I'd love to drive a loving Tesla to work, but no one can afford it. Volts are expensive. Affordable hybrids are around, but generally in high demand. I agree that short-sighted F-950 buying is probably ill-advised, but there are a lack of practical solutions for modern middle-class consumers.
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Oct 27, 2015 03:01
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LeeMajors posted:Fuel Efficiency is an admirable goal, but this is an innovation/access issue. We have a Prius in my household for commuting, but by-and-large good alternative fuel vehicles aren't particularly affordable or practical for a long distance commuter. All told electric mass transit is probably the best option but Americans have a really bizarre hatred for mass transit and a raging boner for personal vehicles.
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Oct 27, 2015 03:03
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ToxicSlurpee posted:All told electric mass transit is probably the best option but Americans have a really bizarre hatred for mass transit and a raging boner for personal vehicles. Agreed. And its why nearly every mid-sized city (mine included) is in a perpetual state of gridlock crisis.
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Oct 27, 2015 03:05
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Trabisnikof posted:I presume we measure "best and brightest" by net worth, as we do now. Hey, humanity has already gone through at least one much less controlled genetic bottleneck. Some things transcend ideology.
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Oct 27, 2015 05:51
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ToxicSlurpee posted:All told electric mass transit is probably the best option but Americans have a really bizarre hatred for mass transit and a raging boner for personal vehicles. So does anyone anywhere in the world that doesn't live 10 minutes away from their work. If you want to make everyone use mass electric transit, then you need to personalize public transportation. Batham fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Oct 27, 2015 |
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Oct 27, 2015 17:26
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America is full of climate change deniers and conservatives, many of which are poor and/or obese. Nobody wants to be stuck on a bus with those. Since we're probably doomed I say we go out with a bang and get started on some O'Neill cylinders to park at the Lagrange points.
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Oct 27, 2015 17:51
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Potential BFF posted:Since we're probably doomed I say we go out with a bang and get started on some O'Neill cylinders to park at the Lagrange points. That would make too much sense, we're going to blow all our space dreams on sending some people to die on Mars instead.
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Oct 27, 2015 18:06
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When you figure out how to make a closed environment self-sustaining in orbit I have some ideas about how you could get free gravity and heat management and save a lot on fuel costs.
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Oct 27, 2015 18:12
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I would rather the human race go extinct than allow a "chosen few" to explore space while the rest of us die. Why should any one of us care about the human race (specially selected human race, natch) continuing on a new planet?LeeMajors posted:Fuel Efficiency is an admirable goal, but this is an innovation/access issue. We have a Prius in my household for commuting, but by-and-large good alternative fuel vehicles aren't particularly affordable or practical for a long distance commuter. I'm a middle class consumer and I drive a Leaf for my above-average commute of ~35 minutes each way every day. The tax rebates make it very affordable, more affordable than the average new car in fact. It's doable if you're not worried about your penis size being compromised. Next step is replacing my solar credits with PV panels. Radbot fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Oct 27, 2015 |
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Oct 27, 2015 18:24
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Radbot posted:I would rather the human race go extinct than allow a "chosen few" to explore space while the rest of us die. Why should any one of us care about the human race (specially selected human race, natch) continuing on a new planet? The importance of continuing the human race is either self-evident or non-existent.
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Oct 27, 2015 18:36
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blowfish posted:The importance of continuing the human race is either self-evident or non-existent. I'm not asking about continuing the human race. I'm asking about why we should be positive about bottlenecking the human race through some sort of Galt's Gulch spacecraft where only the "best" get to leave our dying planet. If we all get to leave, let's talk. If Jamie Dimon and Bill Gates' kids get to leave while mine don't, gently caress that.
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Oct 27, 2015 18:44
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Radbot posted:I'm not asking about continuing the human race. I'm asking about why we should be positive about bottlenecking the human race through some sort of Galt's Gulch spacecraft where only the "best" get to leave our dying planet. Besides, the scale of building some craft like that and implementing the social reforms to make it a utopian paradise would actually be more difficult than dealing with climate change. Also human extinction isn't likely within the timeframe where we can assume massive advances in technology will occur. We should deal with climate change, then build better ships in the out years if we're building ships.
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By 2100, summer temperatures in Mecca, Dubai, Doha, Bandar Abbas, and Abu Dhabi may become incompatible with human survival.
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Oct 27, 2015 20:03
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ComradeCosmobot posted:By 2100, summer temperatures in Mecca, Dubai, Doha, Bandar Abbas, and Abu Dhabi may become incompatible with human survival. We won the war on terror.
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Oct 27, 2015 20:20
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ComradeCosmobot posted:By 2100, summer temperatures in Mecca, Dubai, Doha, Bandar Abbas, and Abu Dhabi may become incompatible with human survival. They aren't already? I thought Dubai only got down to like 100 degrees in the winter.
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Oct 27, 2015 20:37
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Arglebargle III posted:They aren't already? I thought Dubai only got down to like 100 degrees in the winter. They're talking about more incidents like this one, except humid enough to make human sweating completely useless. That is, a wet bulb temperature of 95 degrees. That incident only hit a wet bulb temperature of 89.6. The study shows that 5+ hour periods with wet bulb temperatures of 95+ degrees could happen several times in a 30 year period at the end of the century.
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Oct 27, 2015 20:46
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Radbot posted:I'm not asking about continuing the human race. I'm asking about why we should be positive about bottlenecking the human race through some sort of Galt's Gulch spacecraft where only the "best" get to leave our dying planet. The idea is to send out colony ships, not to relocate the whole species. If the goal is to create independent human populations, it is irrelevant whether the selection is random, based on objective criteria, or a FYGM shitshow as long as it doesn't make the colony unviable. Arglebargle III posted:They aren't already? I thought Dubai only got down to like 100 degrees in the winter. Nah, that's not quite enough to kill you just yet.
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Oct 27, 2015 20:50
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Trabisnikof posted:Besides, the scale of building some craft like that and implementing the social reforms to make it a utopian paradise would actually be more difficult than dealing with climate change. also they would all die anyway. space travel of that sort is impractical to impossible. so, who gives a gently caress? autistic libertarian nerds can dream about colonizing mars all they like, it'll never happen or be worthwhile for anyone aside from scientists to study the lifeless lovely rock.
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Noam Chomsky posted:also they would all die anyway. space travel of that sort is impractical to impossible. so, who gives a gently caress? autistic libertarian nerds can dream about colonizing mars all they like, it'll never happen or be worthwhile for anyone aside from scientists to stuffy the lifeless lovely rock. clearly you aren't thinking sufficiently far ahead in like five hundred years humanity could have the capability to build a big loving space ark
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Oct 27, 2015 20:53
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Lamebot posted:We won the war on terror. No poo poo, that was the very first thought that entered my money. COAL ROLLIN' FOR JESUS
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Oct 27, 2015 21:09
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Greenland is melting away Some award winning page design from the NYT, if nothing else. 
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Oct 27, 2015 21:31
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blowfish posted:The idea is to send out colony ships, not to relocate the whole species. If the goal is to create independent human populations, it is irrelevant whether the selection is random, based on objective criteria, or a FYGM shitshow as long as it doesn't make the colony unviable. I get it, and I will vote against/sabotage this beepboop attempt at "continuing" humanity at any and every possibility. Thanks for making it clear you'd be perfectly fine with Aryans in Space, though.
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Oct 27, 2015 22:31
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It's not remotely feasible in general and is laughable as a reaction to climate change, but lol at goons that get super-mad at space.
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Oct 27, 2015 22:49
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Motto posted:It's not remotely feasible in general and is laughable as a reaction to climate change, but lol at goons that get super-mad at space. Space is awesome! Galt's Gulch in Space, not so much.
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Oct 27, 2015 23:02
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Radbot posted:Space is awesome! Galt's Gulch in Space, not so much. It'd be pretty awesome when it inevitably goes south.
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Oct 27, 2015 23:08
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Radbot posted:I get it, and I will vote against/sabotage this beepboop attempt at "continuing" humanity at any and every possibility. You should probably consider therapy or something, chronic depression is nothing to laugh at.
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Oct 28, 2015 00:40
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blowfish posted:The idea is to send out colony ships, not to relocate the whole species. If the goal is to create independent human populations, it is irrelevant whether the selection is random, based on objective criteria, or a FYGM shitshow as long as it doesn't make the colony unviable. Here's an idea: if you have the technology to create a clean recycling infrastructure that will support a biome indefinitely on a space voyage, how about you use it to colonize Earth?
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Arglebargle III posted:Here's an idea: if you have the technology to create a clean recycling infrastructure that will support a biome indefinitely on a space voyage, how about you use it to colonize Earth? Earth sucks. Space is radical. What I am saying is that there are millions of people who really want to go to space, danger be damned.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:All told electric mass transit is probably the best option but Americans have a really bizarre hatred for mass transit and a raging boner for personal vehicles. And even when they do build it the patchwork nature of it creates access imbalances. The self-apparent awesomeness of it lures all the money back to the cities, pushing the plebs out who now have to commute back to gentrified centers for their lovely service jobs. Problem re-hosed!
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Oct 28, 2015 04:09
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WaryWarren posted:Greenland is melting away You were not kidding.
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Oct 28, 2015 04:55
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Meanwhile, on the East Coast...quote:Seemingly overnight, spurred by sea level rise, we’ve entered an era where king tides compete with hurricanes in the water level record books.
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Yiggy posted:And even when they do build it the patchwork nature of it creates access imbalances. The self-apparent awesomeness of it lures all the money back to the cities, pushing the plebs out who now have to commute back to gentrified centers for their lovely service jobs. Problem re-hosed! So what you're saying is that everything is terrible, we're screwed, and should just go out in a single last blast of super hedonism before Mad Maxing ourselves to death?
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ToxicSlurpee posted:So what you're saying is that everything is terrible, we're screwed, and should just go out in a single last blast of super hedonism before Mad Maxing ourselves to death? Sounds like you're saying "Climate change is happening, it is caused by human activity, it’s a really bad thing, but there’s very little we can do about it" in different words.
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