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Grozz Nuy posted:are you out of your goddamn mind how many special teamers are in the HOF anyways
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Ehud posted:how many special teamers are in the HOF anyways Jan Stanerud Is Steve Tasker in
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Oct 27, 2015 22:10
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His father is. That will help. HoF voters will eat that father son poo poo up. Matthew Slater has arguably been the best special teams player in the league since he was drafted.
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Oct 27, 2015 22:10
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Why Buffalo Hasn't Made the Playoffs in 15 Years 2000 26 Erik Flowers, Defensive end — lasted for like five games, then was cut by 2001. F 2001 21 Nate Clements, Defensive back — was pretty good for a while, got paid outside of Buffalo but made a Pro Bowl when with them B- 2002 4 Mike Williams Offensive tackle — mega bust. F 2003 23 Willis McGahee Running back — had a couple good years and then acted like a dick and got traded. B- 2004 13 Lee Evans, Wide receiver — was really good for a while, crashed and burned later on. B+ 2004 22 J. P. Losman, Quarterback — gently caress off F- 2005 - No Pick - because we traded it for Losman F- 2006 8 Donte Whitner, Safety — an okay safety drafted in the top 10, also a dick C- 2006 26 John McCargo, Defensive tackle — he was poo poo and worthless and the Bills traded up for him F- 2007 12 Marshawn Lynch, Running back — he was good for us for a few seasons, despite what the popular narrative says B+ 2008 11 Leodis McKelvin, Defensive back — still on the team, lots of utility, competent C+ 2009 11 Aaron Maybin, Defensive end/Outside Linebacker — god drat, man F- 2009 28 Eric Wood, Center — a good, but not great, center. Reliable. B 2010 9 C.J. Spiller, Running back — only lived up to the lofty expectations that one year, but it was pretty neat that one year. B- 2011 3 Marcell Dareus, Defensive tackle — Good as advertised. A 2012 10 Stephon Gilmore, Cornerback — great player, improving every year. A- 2013 16 EJ Manue,l Quarterback — lost in three countries. F 2014 4 Sammy Watkins, Wide receiver — clearly talented and was productive his rookie year, but hasn't lived up to the insane draft capital spent for him yet. Probably not his fauly. Incomplete 2015 - No pick — traded for Sammy.
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Oct 27, 2015 22:14
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NC-17 posted:His father is. That will help. HoF voters will eat that father son poo poo up. A career special teamer happening to be on a bunch of Super Bowl teams does not make him a Hall of Famer What percentage of NFL fans do you think could even name who Matthew Slater is
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Oct 27, 2015 22:19
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The Jets actually have a pretty good selection of first round picks. I'm a relatively new fan of football so I can't tell you much about the guys who came before but Nick Mangold, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Darelle Revis, Muhammad Wilkerson, Sheldon Richardson, Calvin Pryor and Leonard Williams have all been strong picks in the last ten years. In that time they've also gotten Mark Sanchez, Vernon Gholston, Kyle Wilson, Dustin Keller, Dee Milliner and Quinton Coples that have been below average to terrible players. The drafting from '08 to '10 was horrific and basically killed the team for a couple years.
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Bills first round draft-picks since 1999: 1999 - Antoine Winfield, CB He owned for us, we didn't resign him, and he owned for the Vikings for like a decade. Not a HOFer, but pretty close. 2000- Erik Flowers, DE Classic failed tweener, with a chaser of endless injury issues. Was never on the field and never good when he was. 2001 - Nate Clements, CB The reason we weren't willing shell out big bucks for Winfield's extension, he would also walk. He was a good-to-great corner, but didn't have Winfield's longevity. 2002 - Mike Williams, T Colossal bust. Started out pretty good, but quickly regressed and ate himself out of a job. Bounced around for a while as a back-up guard. Can't really fault the pick though: he was thought to be a sure thing and was extremely athletic for his size coming out of college. 2003 - Willis McGahee, RB Spent his rookie year on IR(doubtless to the chagrin of then-head coach Greg Williams, who was on the hot seat at the time). Played well, but left ASAP. Never seemed to like Buffalo. Had success with the Ravens and Broncos and enjoyed uncommon longevity for a back. 2004 - Lee Evans, WR - A good wide receiver, he was traded to the Ravens a few years back and infamously dropped the winning touchdown in the AFC Conference Championship Game. That was the last of him in the NFL. J.P. Losman, QB - We traded up to draft him. He was a bad football man, and only saw success in the short-lived UFL. 2005 - Traded to the Cowboys for the privilege of drafting J.P. loving Losman 2006 - Donte Whitner, S - Consistently good-to-great SS who is still active for the Browns. Wasn't retained after rookie deal. John McCargo, DT - Was always hurt and always bad. 2007 - Marshawn Lynch, RB Had a good rookie year, then fell off and was semi-supplanted by Fred Jackson. Was eventually hocked to the Seahawks for pocket change, and the rest is history. 2008 - Leodis "McLovin" McKelvin, CB Struggled early in his career, but has managed to become a good #2 corner. Hurt a lot though. 2009 - Aaron Maybin, DE/LB - Another tweener. Whereas Erik Flowers' body couldn't stay together, Maybin was a total idiot. Huge bust taken over Brian Orakpo, who was at least good for a while. Eric Wood, C - Good but not great center. 2010 - C.J. Spiller, RB - Was/ is good, but never really lived up to his draft status. Usually hurt. 2011 - Marcel Dareus, DT - Bit of a slow start to his career, but there's no doubt now that he's one of the best in the NFL at his position. Top 5, at least, and the competition is stiff. 2012 - Stephon Gilmore, CB - Good corner, but seems to suffer from occasional mental lapses, and has some trouble with true burners. 2013 - E.J. Manuel, QB - Not very good. Looks like his ceiling is career back-up right now. At least we traded down to get our "quarterback" this time? 2014 - Sammy Watkins, WR - Not worth what we gave up to secure him, given the other receivers taken in the first. Largely mediocre group, and Whitner, Lynch, and Winfield played most of their best football elsewhere.
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Grozz Nuy posted:A career special teamer happening to be on a bunch of Super Bowl teams does not make him a Hall of Famer The only way Slater makes the HoF is if he continues to get voted to pro bowls and all pros based on the only gunner anyone can even think of on winning teams, then spends the next fifteen years getting tongue bathed by sportswriters talking about the heyday of the Belichick Patriots (so every boston writer and a fair chunk of the national ones), and insane tall tales pop up about how good Slater. So basically, exactly like how Ray Guy got in.
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Oct 27, 2015 22:27
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It's absolutely criminal that Dre Kirkpatrick hasn't gotten a pro bowl nod as a gunner.
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Oct 27, 2015 22:29
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Grozz Nuy posted:A career special teamer happening to be on a bunch of Super Bowl teams does not make him a Hall of Famer HoF is not the Pro Bowl. But you're right. I'm probably being overly optimistic because of the father-son connection considering how few STers are in.
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Oct 27, 2015 22:30
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As long as we're using Mad Max emoji, the Packers. 2000 14 Bubba Franks TE Miami (great, finished his career with 100% of his passes going for TD!) 2001 10 Jamal Reynolds DE Florida St (terrible) 2002 20 Javon Walker WR Florida St (mediocre, had one decent year with the packers and one ok year with the broncos) 2003 29 Nick Barnett LB Oregon St (great, replaced by AJ Hawk, angels wept) 2004 25 Ahmad Carroll DB Arkansas (started for 2 years, was bad) 2005 24 Aaron Rodgers QB California (  )2006 05 AJ Hawk LB Ohio St (  but started for 9 years so I can't hate on him too much)2007 16 Justin Harrell DT Tennessee (bad) 2008 N/A 2009 09 BJ Raji (good tackle, bad de, at least they only did that for one year) 2009 26 Clay Matthews LB USC ( ) 2010 23 Brian Bulaga T Iowa (good, hurt alot) 2011 32 Derek Sherrod T Mississippi St (couple years of injury replacement duty, was bad) 2012 28 Nick Perry DE USC (mediocre, rotational) 2013 26 Datone Jones DE UCLA (mediocre, rotational, seems to be improving?) 2014 21 Ha Ha Clinton-Dix ( so far, but A+++ name)2015 30 Damarious Randall FS (too early to tell, converted to cb, looks OK so far)
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2015 CB Damarious Randall -- Potential candidate for D-ROTY 2014 S Ha Ha Clinton-Dix -- Already a consistent starter and looks to be a long-term fixture in the defense 2013 DE Datone Jones -- Developmental project that's paying off this season 2012 LB Nick Perry -- Multiple injury issues, never really made an impact 2011 OT Derek Sherrod -- Barely good enough to play, busted and cut from the team 2010 OT Bryan Bulaga -- Solid starter, never really flourished thanks to injuries 2009 DT BJ Raji -- Crucial part of the 2010 Super Bowl run, slumped after that, seems to be recovering this season 2009 LB Clay Matthews -- Perennial Pro Bowler and one of the best linebackers in the league 2008 No first round pick (WR Jordy Nelson was our first pick that draft) 2007 Who the gently caress is Justin Harrell?! 2006 LB AJ Hawk -- 9-year starter who was never anything beyond average, declined badly in his last three seasons 2005 QB Aaron Rodgers. 2004 CB Ahmad Carroll -- Complete bust of a pick who couldn't break his habit of grabbing receivers and drawing flags 2003 LB Nick Barnett -- Consistent yet unexciting multi-year starter 2002 WR Javon Walker -- Had a couple good seasons before leaving the Packers over a contract dispute and having his psyche shattered by Darrent Williams 2001 DE Jamal Reynolds -- An awful pick and an enormous bust 2000 TE Bubba Franks -- Reliable endzone target for Favre for years 16 picks total. Four total busts, two underperforming players, six players who more-or-less met expectations, two overwhelming successes, and two players who are still too young to make a full judgement.
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Oct 27, 2015 22:31
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 Matthew Slater and Devin McCourtney man where's the rimshot I cant believe that's even an actual thought.
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sirtommygunn posted:The Jets actually have a pretty good selection of first round picks. I'm a relatively new fan of football so I can't tell you much about the guys who came before but Nick Mangold, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Darelle Revis, Muhammad Wilkerson, Sheldon Richardson, Calvin Pryor and Leonard Williams have all been strong picks in the last ten years. code:
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Probably Magic posted:Titans Keith Bulluck owned a lot Pacman owns gently caress Griffin CJ2K the best Derrick Morgan is actually pretty good now
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Oct 27, 2015 22:44
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Kalli posted:The only way Slater makes the HoF is if he continues to get voted to pro bowls and all pros based on the only gunner anyone can even think of on winning teams, then spends the next fifteen years getting tongue bathed by sportswriters talking about the heyday of the Belichick Patriots (so every boston writer and a fair chunk of the national ones), and insane tall tales pop up about how good Slater. So basically, exactly like how Ray Guy got in. But Ray Guy was a pioneer and even punters are a more visible position to the average fan than gunners. How many posters here have spoken about their dads talking about how Guy 'revolutionized the game'? I know this is verging into 'IT'S CALLED HALL OF FAME, NOT HALL OF STATS YOU NERDS' territory, but even if special teams coverage players' contributions could be statistically quantified (and I certainly haven't seen anything I would call legitimate evidence of that), could you honestly say that Matthew Slater was a landmark player in the sport deserving of that kind of recognition? How many of the Patriots wins over the time he's been on the roster were seriously impacted by his play? Half a dozen, if we're being extremely generous? We've all seen good but unspectacular players get inflated narratives by being adjacent to a winning team for long periods of time, and that Hall of Fame induction is all about narrative, but I don't buy that this case gets any traction at all.
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Oct 27, 2015 22:58
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If Steve Tasker isn't in the Hall then there's zero chance Matt Slater ever will be.
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I went back and picked what the Falcons could have drafted starting with Sean Weatherspoon and welp, don't do this to yourselves: Instead of: 2010: Sean Weatherspon --> Demaryius Thomas 2011: Julio Jones --> Muhammad Wilkerson 2012: ^^^Julio Jones --> Dont'a Hightower So instead of a good Linebacker whose injury plagued stint in Atlanta would end with his rookie contract and a top 5 Wide Receiver in this league, we could have had... A good linebacker who isn't injury prone (Doug Martin was also available here), a top 10 receiver in this league, and top 10 interior defensive lineman...  Not to mention other depth we'd have had because we wouldn't have traded with Cleveland for Julio. Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Oct 27, 2015 |
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Big Ol Marsh Pussy posted:It's absolutely criminal that Dre Kirkpatrick hasn't gotten a pro bowl nod as a gunner. How do you know
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I'm actually surprised no team has been worse than the Bears, it seems like everyone but the Jags got at least an all-pro at some point this century w/ a 1st rounder, or at least a bunch of pro bowls. Bears had a DT who was great 3 seasons and exploded, then no one until they got a guard who made the pro bowl due to his last name and now plays RT for some reason. That's it. That's their century. 5 pro bowl seasons out of two players - a DT and a RG. wheeeeee Essentially this shows they have absolutely no ability to evaluate draft talent and just randomly get a good pick or two late in the draft that works out (Briggs, Hester, etc) mastershakeman fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Oct 27, 2015 |
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Ooh we're playing the draft round game! 2015 Connor Shaw developmental S, ehhhh... 2014 Russel Bodine starting Center 2013 Sean Porter, depth linebacker 2012 Orson Charles, was starting fullback for a year or two 2011 Clint Boling, 4+ year starting guard and rated in top ten at G by pff for a few years now. 2010 Geno Atkins, 2 time all pro and 3 time Probowl DT Oh poo poo, sorry, that was the fourth round. My bad. Our first round history is a lot less impressive. nerve posted:How do you know I know it's the grognardyiest thing to get excited about but Kirk was downing multiple punts inside the five a game last year. He leapt off the screen if you watched special teams at all. Eifert Posting fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Oct 27, 2015 |
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Eifert Posting posted:Ooh we're playing the draft round game! I just meant how can you know that he clearly should be getting awards, unless you are watching all 32 teams special teams groups lol
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mastershakeman posted:I'm actually surprised no team has been worse than the Bears, it seems like everyone but the Jags got at least an all-pro at some point this century w/ a 1st rounder, or at least a bunch of pro bowls. Bears had a DT who was great 3 seasons and exploded, then no one until they got a guard who made the pro bowl due to his last name and now plays RT for some reason. That's it. That's their century. 5 pro bowl seasons out of two players - a DT and a RG. wheeeeee Lovie was a great coach to have dragged that roster to where he did. Unfortunately patching bad drafting with free agents could only delay the inevitable so long.
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2000- Ron Dayne - Yeah, didn't work as well as expected 2001- Will Allen - meh, eventually let him walk 2002- Jeremy Shockey - Good player, rear end in a top hat 2003- William Joseph - was on the SB42 team, had injury issues, overall alright 2004- Philip Rivers, never played a down for the team 2005- Corey Webster - rough start to career, eventually became pretty good, then injuries ended him 2006- Mathias Kiwanuka - great prospect, constantly asked to play out of position, ultimately was underwhelming but I blame the coaches 2007- Aaron Ross - won two super bowls, but largely disappointing 2008- Kenny Phillips - effective safety, injuries cut him short 2009- Hakeem Nicks - great until his legs died 2010- JPP - One and a half thumbs up 2011-Prince Amukamara - excellent corner 2012- David Wilson - died, misused by coaches 2013- Justin Pugh - good, not great 2014- Odell beckham Jr - worked out pretty well I guess 2015- Ereck Flowers - looks pretty good so far Giants seem like they get a lot of quality picks who suffer injury problems and have very promising careers peter out
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I'm headed out the door right now but pretend there's a picture of Matt Millen here. Mayhew has been better but hasn't lived up to the draft hype he built from picking up Stafford, Suh, and Fairley in his first three years. In fact I was thinking about this earlier today and forgot the names of half the dudes he's picked up in the first round. That's not a good sign is it?
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Febreeze posted:2000- Ron Dayne - Yeah, didn't work as well as expected I think it's that field they play half their games on.
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PantsFreeZone posted:I think it's that field they play half their games on. The Jets have been one of the healthiest teams in the league iirc.
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The Jets have never had an athlete on their team. Bills fans: EJ Manuel is the first QB to lose in 3 DIFFERENT countries, so congratulations.
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mcmagic posted:Jim Harbaugh sucks as a coach? Jed York sure thought so 
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Big Ol Marsh Pussy posted:Things are playing out perfectly to setup the super bowl as the final chapter in the most compelling storyline in the NFL for years. That's right folks, it's going to be The Carson Palmer Revenge Game
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mastershakeman posted:I'm actually surprised no team has been worse than the Bears, it seems like everyone but the Jags got at least an all-pro at some point this century w/ a 1st rounder, or at least a bunch of pro bowls. Bears had a DT who was great 3 seasons and exploded, then no one until they got a guard who made the pro bowl due to his last name and now plays RT for some reason. That's it. That's their century. 5 pro bowl seasons out of two players - a DT and a RG. wheeeeee That's because nobody did the Raiders, pre-McKenzie
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Atticus Finch posted:Giants are gonna be in the Super Bowl. It's an Eli Fourth Year. Stop trying to make me kill myself.
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JPP signed a one year contract with the Giants. No word on how he held the pen.
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davecrazy posted:JPP signed a one year contract with the Giants. No word on how he held the pen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHHB00Nu3Ak
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turns out bmarsh is doing bmarsh things in new york http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...NSports+Twitter the above link posted:The Jets veteran wide receiver, who has preached team chemistry since arriving in New York, admitted on Showtime's "Inside the NFL" that he "got into it" with a teammate on Sunday, when the Jets lost to the Patriots. Marshall was speaking about Cowboys defensive lineman Greg Hardy and was relating to the emotion players have in-game.
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His hand actually looks okay now. High Fours for everyone
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TubeStank posted:turns out bmarsh is doing bmarsh things in new york lmfao, buckle up jets
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