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Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

Pesticide20 posted:

Thirteen more days of being in the army. My unit is super gay and keeps putting me on CQ. gently caress this place, I'm tempted to come piss all over the place when I have my DD214 in hand

have fun being stop-lossed and go fight isis

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Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

11b1p posted:

Make the new soldier show up with his recruiter to at least one drill. This way they know where the unit is, and they can put a face to the person that is calling and checking up on them. Also, if they don't like what they see they can ask for a different MOS.

Yeah this. I'm glad I knew the people I was going to be reporting to, so that way I had an IDEA of who I needed to talk to and where their offices were when I was done with AIT.

Doesn't help that when I came back from AIT, I went to the wrong armory (I didn't know we had two in Las Vegas), and got bitched out because how could I not know that our unit sometimes went to different armories for different drills.

Soulex
Apr 1, 2009


Cacati in mano e pigliati a schiaffi!

Nothing is going to work Reserve wide. It just won't. Look how hard it is for ANYTHING to get done. There has been talk of a new PT test due "any time now" since basic. Still isn't here almost 9 years later.

It took me three years for docs to consider medboarding me for my legs. On the plus side, the spine stimulator is great. The test is awesome so far, minus having wires out of my back.

It's bad that I look forward to surgeries or getting sick so I can have time off. Especially this last one where I had to convince that 24 hour no driving, doing anything that could be signing a legal document, etc meant I shouldn't be at PT the very next morning.

UP THE BUM NO BABY
Sep 1, 2011

by Hand Knit

Nostalgia4Butts posted:

have fun being stop-lossed and go fight isis

Medboard. Just keeping my fingers crossed that all goes well and I get out. The nightmare these days is that I somehow don't get out and am forced to stay at Bragg forever.

CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
Slippery Tilde
its already policy for a recruiter to escort a new reservist to his unit within 10 days of enlistment. gently caress going to a drill though, I can't imagine anything more unnecessary and we hold these fuckers hands enough as it is.

Soulex
Apr 1, 2009


Cacati in mano e pigliati a schiaffi!

How would that orientation go?

This is the "office you'll be at where you will share a computer with 8 other junior enlisted. The office will also need to be cleaned weekly despite what state it is in. Now come with me, I'm going to show you the NCOIC and Officer's offices that you'll have to vacuum and take the trash out of. "

CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
Slippery Tilde
active duty members get stationed overseas after AIT and figure out how to report to their units but apparently reservists cant do it with a place 20 miles from their house

Obstacle2
Dec 21, 2004
feels good man

Hillary Clintons Thong posted:

active duty members get stationed overseas after AIT and figure out how to report to their units but apparently reservists cant do it with a place 20 miles from their house

to be fair your hand is held nearly every step of the way once you are off the plane at your assigned unit

Obstacle2 fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Oct 28, 2015

CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
Slippery Tilde
loving hell though get rid of USMC, ARNG, cut down to 3 CVG and cancel the F35 i saved the military money no need to call up IRR guys.

Spend the extra money on health care and education so we can have a fighting force of healthy competent soldiers


bwhahahahaha

Mike-o
Dec 25, 2004

Now I'm in your room
And I'm in your bed


Grimey Drawer

Soulex
Apr 1, 2009


Cacati in mano e pigliati a schiaffi!

Obstacle2 posted:

to be fair your hand is held nearly every step of the way once you are off the plain at your assigned unit

Like a reservation? Racist

CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
Slippery Tilde
lol like anyone that lives on a reservation can pass the ASVAB

at least from my anecdotal evidence

The Slithery D
Jul 19, 2012

Soulex posted:

There has been talk of a new PT test due "any time now" since basic. Still isn't here almost 9 years later.

Yeah, that got shitcanned a couple of years ago? I think the story is that TRADOC spent like five years creating and verifying it to determine the standards, they briefed it to the commander for his final approval (probably before it went to the chief of staff), and someone asked where the slides were with MEDCOM's alternate PT events for profiles.

"Uh, we were supposed to talk to them about that? Every step of the way?! And they have veto power on this? Sir, I wasn't briefed on that."

:negative:

The Slithery D fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Oct 28, 2015

The Slithery D
Jul 19, 2012
http://archive.armytimes.com/article/20120827/NEWS/208270341/Army-scraps-long-awaited-PT-test-update

This gives other reasons.

CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
Slippery Tilde
is this the PT test where you had to do like a 5 foot standing long jump and run 3 miles because of heart despite agreeing that 1.5 was probably optimum for long term health of soldier

CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
Slippery Tilde
or the one where you had to do the close hand push ups and carry an ammo can or something

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011
Or the one with the 12 mile ruck after the run portion?

Justin Tyme
Feb 22, 2011


Hillary Clintons Thong posted:

loving hell though get rid of USMC, ARNG, cut down to 3 CVG and cancel the F35 i saved the military money no need to call up IRR guys.

Spend the extra money on health care and education so we can have a fighting force of healthy competent soldiers


bwhahahahaha

we could be the most fiscally responsible, leanest military with the best medical system in the entire world and we would still have cocksuckers making bedridden suicidal PTSD dudes with broken backs report to PT at 0530 because they're too afraid to stand up for their men to PSG/1SG/SGM/SMA so they choose the easy way out and gently caress you if you aren't there in the morning

CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
Slippery Tilde
sounds like someone with a broken back and ptsd is a little too pussy to me

Soulex
Apr 1, 2009


Cacati in mano e pigliati a schiaffi!

Naturally I hear about something 3 years after the fact.

Aranan
May 21, 2007

Release the Kraken

Hillary Clintons Thong posted:

lol like anyone that lives on a reservation can pass the ASVAB

at least from my anecdotal evidence

To be fair, I wouldn't expect most people in the army to be able to pass the ASVAB, but...

not caring here
Feb 22, 2012

blazemastah 2 dry 4 u
Well if my basic training company was any representation, there's more than a few that dont.

Asvab waiver most shameful waiver.

CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
Slippery Tilde
We had a few guys we tried to get approved to enlist CAT IV (less than 31 on asvab so like half our testers) but they were reserve only and on so few positions that I never got to see it happen.

In the more aggressive recruiting years during the war, CAT IVs were all over the place a guess. So yeah there are probably E6s out there with an asvab score of 24.

The Slithery D
Jul 19, 2012
When I went to MEPS the guy who did my paperwork said my predecessor did 77 points worse than me, so at least one 22 got in during the dark days of the surge. I doubt these guys actually made E6 though.

Kung Fu Fist Fuck
Aug 9, 2009

The Slithery D posted:

When I went to MEPS the guy who did my paperwork said my predecessor did 77 points worse than me, so at least one 22 got in during the dark days of the surge. I doubt these guys actually made E6 though.

shut up nerd *slaps your books out of your hands and gives you a super wedgie*

Aranan
May 21, 2007

Release the Kraken
That is depressing.

Oh well, only 550 days left in!

not caring here
Feb 22, 2012

blazemastah 2 dry 4 u
At my last unit there was some story about one of the platoon sergeants how he got set for an evaluation to see if he was no poo poo retarded.

I don't know if it's true or not (probably not) but he would happily tell anyone that he had a 3rd grade reading level, and would always follow up the story with "no child left behind, hooah!"

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

not caring here posted:

At my last unit there was some story about one of the platoon sergeants how he got set for an evaluation to see if he was no poo poo retarded.

I don't know if it's true or not (probably not) but he would happily tell anyone that he had a 3rd grade reading level, and would always follow up the story with "no child left behind, hooah!"

i have definitely met at least 25 people in the military who I would believe were clinically retarded

The Rat
Aug 29, 2004

You will find no one to help you here. Beth DuClare has been dissected and placed in cryonic storage.

A squad leader in my last platoon had reputedly baked his brain by going on a long ruck march hung over as hell and becoming a heat casualty. Supposedly he was never the same after that. As long as I was there, dude was always at least halfway retarded.

The Slithery D
Jul 19, 2012
I met a SEAL, I think he was the team senior noncom, who had an outrageous stutter. I always assumed it was some brain damage acquired along the way, I can't imagine making it through the pipeline with that sort of handicap.

EBB
Feb 15, 2005

The Slithery D posted:

I met a SEAL, I think he was the team senior noncom, who had an outrageous stutter. I always assumed it was some brain damage acquired along the way, I can't imagine making it through the pipeline with that sort of handicap.

"Today I'm g-g-going to instruct you in the five s-s-s-s-s-s-s's of EPW handling...."

Suntan Boy
May 27, 2005
Stained, dirty, smells like weed, possibly a relic from the sixties.



The Rat posted:

A squad leader in my last platoon had reputedly baked his brain by going on a long ruck march hung over as hell and becoming a heat casualty. Supposedly he was never the same after that. As long as I was there, dude was always at least halfway retarded.

Proof right here that the army will literally make you retarded. Bet he promoted into the stratosphere, too.

Speaking of stupid, one of my guys got tapped to go to the piss handler course, then got short notice PCS orders. He'll be a UPL for a weekend. Command has weighed their options, and decided they're completely ok with this.

Soulex
Apr 1, 2009


Cacati in mano e pigliati a schiaffi!

EVA BRAUN BLOWJOBS posted:

"Today I'm g-g-going to instruct you in the five s-s-s-s-s-s-s's of EPW handling...."

I laughed. That's mean but I laughed.

I can't claim to know many lower ASVAB score dudes and dudettes but one of the most retarded people I met had a GT of like 130 something. Book smart as hell. Not Common Sense Smart.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Nostalgia4Butts posted:

i have definitely met at least 25 people in the military who I would believe were clinically retarded

To this day, I'm convinced that an E5 I deployed with was actually mentally retarded.

e: Do you guys ever feel like your time on active duty was like a really hosed up fever dream? Because that's definitely how my year in Afghanistan feels whenever I look back on it.

psydude fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Oct 28, 2015

Soulex
Apr 1, 2009


Cacati in mano e pigliati a schiaffi!

psydude posted:

To this day, I'm convinced that an E5 I deployed with was actually mentally retarded.

e: Do you guys ever feel like your time on active duty was like a really hosed up fever dream? Because that's definitely how my year in Afghanistan feels whenever I look back on it.

My whole life is like that tbh

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

psydude posted:

To this day, I'm convinced that an E5 I deployed with was actually mentally retarded.

e: Do you guys ever feel like your time on active duty was like a really hosed up fever dream? Because that's definitely how my year in Afghanistan feels whenever I look back on it.

someone posted that 11 years ago, the red sox won the series.

the next day we deployed

Vasudus
May 30, 2003

The Slithery D posted:

I met a SEAL, I think he was the team senior noncom, who had an outrageous stutter. I always assumed it was some brain damage acquired along the way, I can't imagine making it through the pipeline with that sort of handicap.

If the guy's name was Daniel, then yeah. I've worked with him and he has CTE, or at least he'll get diagnosed with that once he dies and they examine his brain post mortem.

Kiryen
Feb 25, 2015

Retardog posted:

There's a better than average chance that I'll be working on a project to reduce the number of nonparticipants in the Reserves. Since most of you have experience and aren't retarded, I'd love to hear your ideas on how we could do a better job of a) keeping people from just not showing up and b) if they aren't gonna come back, how we can get them out of the Army faster, either through separating them or transferring them to the IRR.

quote:

Biggest thing is prevention: make sure recruiters just aren't dumping recruits on your books without telling you. Then keep tabs on them before/after IET so that they know where and when to show up. Same goes for promotions: the RSCs love promoting people into positions for whatever obscure MOS they held 14 years ago at a unit located at the exact edge of their mileage statement. We also had a lot of success sending out AGRs to people's houses to explain why getting kicked out with an OTH for being a non participant is pretty bad.

Otherwise, make sure you're documenting every drill they miss and every attempt to contact them: keep a copy of the U letters, log all calls and in-person visits, and any responses from the service member. Since retention is a huge issue right now, your MACOM commander isn't going to approve any separation packets unless all of those boxes have been checked. I'd also recommend that you check with the MACOM's SJA to see if there's anything else they're looking for.

This is pretty much it. In addition you NEED to do the following -

A) Following up on psydude's 2nd paragraph, ensure that ALL documentation - most importantly the certified letter confirmations from the post office is retained. Hold full timers, mil-techs and AGRs accountable for this. "It's missing" is too common an excuse. Yes, these people are overworked and in the case of miltechs, underpaid. They still need to be held accountable. That's all the commander can do in the reserves; make the full time staff do the work. If you don't enforce this on full timers it just gets worse

B) Make sure packets are CORRECT the first time. Higher echelons love corrections because they can retain that soldier on the books as a number yet at the same time blame lower echelons for not doing the work correctly. Ask for status updates on submitted packets regularly. Hold higher HQ feet to the fire or they will gently caress it all up and then blame you every time. EVERY TIME.

C) For soldiers that there is hope of salvaging, do what you need to do to salvage them. Get that soldier into the MOS they want. Re-assign them to a closer unit. Make sure their NCOs are arranging a ride to drill or car pooling for soldiers that are a long way way; some of our troops are pissing away their drill check in their gas tank.

D) Along those lines, do not be an idiot. Do not have rules for the sake of rules, give your soldiers a fair shake to improve when they mess up. If there is a soldier that was late to drill, amazing as it may seem that does not make him a shitbag, It happens. It may even happen twice. It's HABITUAL that's a problem. You do not need hardass NCOs failing as many people on body fat as they can, they need to be bending over backwards to PASS people if they legitimately can. If there's a Burger King nearby and the soldiers want to go eat there instead of the catered meal LET THEM!! They have to pay for it! At December drill, do not have 4 hours of PowerPoint in the morning while the families sit around waiting to do the Christmas party. Get started early, get it done early. That E5 with 3 kids has a wife (or husband) that has to deal with those 3 kids for 2 hours after Santa is done while they scream their bored heads off because someone is holding them until "everything is done". No, it does not matter that 3 NCOERs are pending; he;s an E5! He doesn't write them! Get him out; if one is his, make arrangements for him to sign it later - then enforce it. Don't make his wife sit there for 2 hours with the kids and then she shits on him the whole way home about how the Reserves suck. She's right at that point! They do suck!

E) Fight for decent ATs. Yes, sometimes you have to go to NTC or Ft. McCoy. This should be once every 3 or 4 years. Endlessly sitting around a FOB wearing body armor is not training. It isn't even training for the loving officers, how can it be training for the troops? Fight for good ATs where they get to go to real places, do real missions, and when they are done with the mission, HAVE SOME REAL FUN!! That doesn't mean playing volleyball in your PT clothes for 3 hours - it means getting to see some attractions and even *gasp* drink beer!

People hate the reserves for the same reason they hate the real Army - it sucks! We've sucked any actual satisfaction completely out of it in favor of "standards" and "taking care of the soldier (lol)" and "readiness" and.. well, you've heard all the buzzwords.

Make whatever effort you can to impose any sanity at all on any little corner of the Reserves.

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

Oh, did I kill him too?
I've been a very busy little man.


Sugartime Jones

Hillary Clintons Thong posted:

its already policy for a recruiter to escort a new reservist to his unit within 10 days of enlistment. gently caress going to a drill though, I can't imagine anything more unnecessary and we hold these fuckers hands enough as it is.

It was policy in '93 when my recruiter escorted me to my reserve unit after I came off active.

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The Rat
Aug 29, 2004

You will find no one to help you here. Beth DuClare has been dissected and placed in cryonic storage.

I don't have nightmares about the gory, nasty poo poo I saw in Iraq. Nothing about dicks hanging off of Strykers or faces blown off from SVBIEDs like masks.

I have nightmares that I'm still in the Army. Or that I've just reenlisted.

Not sure what that means in the big picture.

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