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Wafflecopper posted:Just tried elf for the first time and my team votekicked me after. They were probably on Mumble/TS whatever and just kicked you to get a friend in. It's nothing personal.
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Ulvirich posted:Attempted a normal Wheat and Chaff with a all goon group that I'm used to grouping with. Between that and the map that ended up with BEEP BOOP NO LOOT, LOSERS, we had a pretty rough start. At least I got a sick orange sword for my butt wizard out of our BP runs.
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I like the idea of Wheat and Chaff, because it changes the "pile over here until the horn stops" mentality into a running battle where taking damage is less important than going fast. The execution means that 40% of the time you will die no matter what you do.
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Oct 28, 2015 11:05
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Honestly from how I feel all it really needs is a hard limit on how many Stormvermin are rushing you at once, and a bit of a cooldown when you kill the 2-3 that are there before the next set of Stormvermin.
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Oct 28, 2015 11:10
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I really enjoy Wheat and Chaff. Bring on the Stormvermin. The only problem I have with it is that it offers the same loot as easier levels, making it not worth doing for gear. Going through all that for a white is bullshit. I hope Fatshark adds significant incentive to play more than like, the two easiest/quickest maps in the game.
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Oct 28, 2015 11:11
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Tying rewards to completion only on variable length/difficulty missions doesn't seem like the brightest idea
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Abandoned Toaster posted:What difficulty? Normal and Hard I literally never rolled more than 2 dice, even though the EV from just the seven poo poo dice is 2.3. Kill me dex_sda fucked around with this message at 11:20 on Oct 28, 2015 |
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Oct 28, 2015 11:18
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Ulvirich posted:Attempted a normal Wheat and Chaff with a all goon group that I'm used to grouping with. shoulda trapped the rogre in the cart dealth with everything else then poked him to death. Wafflecopper posted:I have no idea what I did wrong, You have been kicked from the game. Reason: Elf.
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victrix posted:Tying rewards to completion only on variable length/difficulty missions doesn't seem like the brightest idea The Shorter missions don't have Tomes/Grimoires so that's not entirely true, but yeah Garden of Morr is a tough sell if people give a poo poo about loot. They could do with a system where the less a mission is completed by players the better the rewards it gives. That or just some Dailies with a Guaranteed Blue or Better at the end. Last night we completed a mission with the Rat Ogre in the cart with us. That was going to be an awkward ride home.
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Tamayachi posted:Between that and the map that ended up with BEEP BOOP NO LOOT, LOSERS God drat it. We more than earned that loot too, but nope! Get bent.
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Fans posted:The Shorter missions don't have Tomes/Grimoires so that's not entirely true, but yeah Garden of Morr is a tough sell if people give a poo poo about loot.
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Ulvirich posted:God drat it. We more than earned that loot too, but nope! Get bent. This is only happening because you've all been lax in your devotions to Nuffle, lately. Lemon-Lime fucked around with this message at 11:50 on Oct 28, 2015 |
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Oct 28, 2015 11:30
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I'd enjoy it if it kept a running tally of which levels you've completed of each difficulty and when you've done them all it gives you an extra roll against a table of that tier (or maybe one tier higher) loot and then resets, so people will have interactions like 'oh I've got wheat and chaff and well watchers left and I'll get an extra nightmare roll' rather than just doing Magnus, returning to the inn, doing Magnus. Not making it straight out more efficient as if someone wants to farm something they will, but it'll encourage an odd map choice every now and then.
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I miss playing L4D and Killing Floor a great deal and this looks cool. How does Vermintide compare to KF2?
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Ok, Loot talk. I'm having a strong "Diablo 3's first few patches" vibe, IE: the loot system is going to be fine until the moment you are decked in oranges. When we get there,, the only way to get an improvement is going to be "get the same best in slot item you already have, but with a better enchantment / better percentages". At that point the time spent/reward ratio is going to become stupid, and rolling an upgrade is going to become almost impossible. Because of that, I believe that everything that delays that phase is good, and I feel like the system should not be changed towards something that gives us the opportunity to choose what we want as a reward directly. Unfortunately, a game with a loot system tricks us into being disappointed if the reward flow changes; so we ca feel like there's no point in playing, even if we would have played the game if the only reward was the challenge itself (IE: L4D). I also think that, as soon as a critical mass of people reach the "decked in oranges" level, they're going to give more options to improve your items (IE: red items, chance to reroll enchants, morph oranges, etc). tl;dr: the loot system is fine for now, but it's definitely going to be tweaked when most people are having difficulties in finding rewarding upgrades. That Italian Guy fucked around with this message at 11:38 on Oct 28, 2015 |
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Lemon Curdistan posted:This is only happening because you've all been lax in your devotions to Nuffle, lately. I play goblins and halflings in FUMBBL. Nuffle owes me.
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Wheeee posted:I miss playing L4D and Killing Floor a great deal and this looks cool. Less KF2, more l4d. Janky, but fun.
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That Italian Guy posted:Ok, Loot talk. I'm having a strong "Diablo 3's first few patches" vibe, IE: the loot system is going to be fine until the moment you are decked in oranges. When we get there,, the only way to get an improvement is going to be "get the same best in slot item you already have, but with a better enchantment / better percentages". At that point the time spent/reward ratio is going to become stupid, and rolling an upgrade is going to become almost impossible. Yeah its okay as is I just wish I could choose the white I get on hard or higher when I roll nothing,
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That Italian Guy posted:Ok, Loot talk. I'm having a strong "Diablo 3's first few patches" vibe, IE: the loot system is going to be fine until the moment you are decked in oranges. When we get there,, the only way to get an improvement is going to be "get the same best in slot item you already have, but with a better enchantment / better percentages". At that point the time spent/reward ratio is going to become stupid, and rolling an upgrade is going to become almost impossible. IIRC the devs said one of the first free DLC will have new end-game type items for players. So far the numbers look very good in terms of sales, I think this might be Fatshark's most successful game so we should be able to look forward to lots of additional content and dev attention. The fact that they released a patch so soon after release is also a good sign.
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Al Borland posted:Yeah its okay as is I just wish I could choose the white I get on hard or higher when I roll nothing, I agree. I also really like the OP's idea about using crafting materials to generate white items, since it gives those who are really "grind oriented" something to aim at (IE: craft a million drakefire pistols to get an orange one and defeat the evil 
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Just went down the final elevator on a Magnus run, saw no rats in the alley leading to the stagecoach, and then suddenly an enormous horde teleported in all around us, out of thin air, while already mid-swing. Everyone was killed instantly. Like 0.3 seconds from no rats, full health, 100% fine to party wipe. That's cool, Vermintide.
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Vargs posted:Just went down the final elevator on a Magnus run, saw no rats in the alley leading to the stagecoach, and then suddenly an enormous horde teleported in all around us, out of thin air, while already mid-swing. Everyone was killed instantly. Like 0.3 seconds from no rats, full health, 100% fine to party wipe. That's cool, Vermintide. The End Times are a scary place. Luckily for us, Sigmar will make sure nothing like this will happen again. Yay Sigmarines  EDIT: vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv Sometimes there are rats at the bottom of the elevator, just outside of it (even when they're not appearing out of thin air)
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Vargs posted:Just went down the final elevator on a Magnus run, saw no rats in the alley leading to the stagecoach, and then suddenly an enormous horde teleported in all around us, out of thin air, while already mid-swing. Everyone was killed instantly. Like 0.3 seconds from no rats, full health, 100% fine to party wipe. That's cool, Vermintide.
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Finally get my third orange at level 40. It's a Sword & Shield with extra stamina, stronger push and heroic instakill on charge attacks. Sigmar has blessed me.
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 Ohhhh yeah just rolled a legendary handgun for Kruber 50% reload 80-100% penetrate so thats 3 in a row i can kill and reload on kill!
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Welp, Enemy Below has 4 tomes for some reason, but if you finish with both grims, 4 tomes and 2 loot dice the game crashes.
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Pumpkinreaper posted:Where all the lizardmen at? Space (I know that doesn't happen until later)
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Has there been any statement from Fatshark about the Black Power exploit? People are going pants on head retarded over it and its becoming harder to find a group that just wants to play the game.
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Dezztroy posted:Finally get my third orange at level 40. It's a Sword & Shield with extra stamina, stronger push and heroic instakill on charge attacks. Just forged a bloodlust, stam recovered on hit, extra push mace n shield  whose sigmar's favorite now? Mikojan posted:Has there been any statement from Fatshark about the Black Power exploit? i wouldn't be surprised if they remove the stool thus solving it all in a patch. Honestly I dont think its a big deal 99% of the time you'll just roll 2-3 dice at most and get a green. Al Borland fucked around with this message at 12:52 on Oct 28, 2015 |
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Al Borland posted:Just forged a bloodlust, stam recovered on hit, extra push mace n shield Too bad mace & shield is objectively inferor to sword & shield. I really don't like the orange shield model though because holy poo poo you're blind when using it
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Al Borland posted:Honestly I dont think its a big deal 99% of the time you'll just roll 2-3 dice at most and get a green. I'm not saying its giving people that choose to exploit an unfair advantage. But as long as people will see it as the fastest way to get a chance on good loot they will feel like playing any other map is a waste of time.
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The exploit is so well known now that I hope it will be addressed in tonight's maintenance.
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Dezztroy posted:Welp, Enemy Below has 4 tomes for some reason, but if you finish with both grims, 4 tomes and 2 loot dice the game crashes. I have finished that before with multiple goons multiple and we only had one multiple-crash today/yesterday at the black powder part. Also it has 3/2. Dunno what you guys encountered. I do believe that there's a possible crash due to a physics miscalculation on levels with gunpowder placement.
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Al Borland posted:Just forged a bloodlust, stam recovered on hit, extra push mace n shield Man I'd love to get greens. The loot progression is way too luck based if you play the game properly and don't exploit quick item runs.
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Vargs posted:Being 1 roll off from getting an orange handgun is the most crushingly disappointing thing in video games.
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Musluk posted:I have finished that before with multiple goons multiple and we only had one multiple-crash today/yesterday at the black powder part. Also it has 3/2. Dunno what you guys encountered.  It did count all 4 tomes at the end but crashed when it got to the cursed dice. I still got the loot though. We did it a few more times and the fourth tome was always there.
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