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So, are the Famicom versions of DQ 1&2 and 3 playable or not? There were some complaints of serious bugs in this thread recently and, having previously heard such good things about those versions, I was tempted to have a go at them. If they still have serious problems, apart from perhaps slightly dodgy translation, then I can always try the iPad versions even though touch controls annoy me or the Game Boy ports even though they are hard to look at.
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Oct 27, 2015 18:38
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Like, technically playable or playable in a fun sense?
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Oct 27, 2015 18:42
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Do you mean the SFC ports? 1&2 is great except for one avoidable bug late in DQ2. Apparently 3's patch has some bugs to it, but I've also heard it's still worth playing. I've been playing the GBC port personally, and that's a great version.
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Oct 27, 2015 20:27
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The Machine posted:Do you mean the SFC ports? Yes, the SFC ports. What's the bug in DQ2, so that I don't run afoul of it? I do have the GBC carts of 1/2 and 3 as well. In Training posted:Like, technically playable or playable in a fun sense? Technically. Having played the originals within the last year or so, I know that I still enjoy them... even DQ1 for the NES which doesn't have much content and is grindy as gently caress... and DQ2 which is woefully unbalanced and makes me want to kick puppies in frustration. DQ3 has no major faults that I can recall.
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Oct 27, 2015 21:43
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Long story short: When you get to the water city, Beran, don't sleep at the inn. It launches into a side quest to revive a sick party member, and upon doing so, you get stuck in a dialog loop that's impossible to escape. Everything else seemed perfectly playable!
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Oct 28, 2015 02:50
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I played through the SFC versions about 5 years back and I can't remember any bugs. But the SFC or GBC versions are the way to go if you're going to play them, the NES versions are just an exercise in frustration.
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Oct 28, 2015 12:07
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Mr. Fortitude posted:I played through the SFC versions about 5 years back and I can't remember any bugs. But the SFC or GBC versions are the way to go if you're going to play them, the NES versions are just an exercise in frustration. I agree... partially. DQI isn't so much frustrating as grindy, but II is an absolute hair-pulling torture session right up until the end game. I played III all the way through last year and it was still very good... moderately grindy, yes, but that doesn't bother me much - I used to play EverQuest, for gently caress's sake. I will state that III holds up reasonably well today and the graphics still have a charm to them. I have never played IV on the NES, but one of these days I am going to put in that Game Genie code that turns off party AI and have a go at it. I'm currently playing a rather low-budget game on the iPad called "Epic Warrior", which is the most shameless DQ1 ripoff you can imagine. I might drop $3 on the real DQ1 at some point and try it. If I finish it, I can try II, then III if I finish that one etc
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Oct 28, 2015 12:43
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JustJeff88 posted:I agree... partially. DQI isn't so much frustrating as grindy, but II is an absolute hair-pulling torture session right up until the end game. I played III all the way through last year and it was still very good... moderately grindy, yes, but that doesn't bother me much - I used to play EverQuest, for gently caress's sake. I will state that III holds up reasonably well today and the graphics still have a charm to them. I have never played IV on the NES, but one of these days I am going to put in that Game Genie code that turns off party AI and have a go at it. Dragon Quest II is an exercise in torture and frustration no matter which version you play to be perfectly honest. Cave to Rhone almost broke me.
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Oct 28, 2015 13:39
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The mobile version of II isn't too bad, honestly. I mean, Rhone is still a pain in the rear end but I felt like I wasn't having as much trouble as I did with the GBC version, plus you can make a quick save at any point in the game. Also, Zoom was modernized and lets you zoom to most cities in the game. It's a godsend.
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Oct 28, 2015 14:01
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Earlier this week I picked up the GB copies of DQ1-3 and a PSX copy of 7. as soon as I'm done with Heroes I am going to start actually playing through the series since I now have all the games 1-9
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Oct 28, 2015 15:05
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mateo360 posted:Earlier this week I picked up the GB copies of DQ1-3 and a PSX copy of 7. as soon as I'm done with Heroes I am going to start actually playing through the series since I now have all the games 1-9 I embarked on this journey earlier his year and it's quite the ride. Enjoy lots of awesome games (haven't played 7 or 9 yet though so I can't speak to those)
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Oct 28, 2015 15:24
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I honestly didn't find II too hard at all up to the near-end game, honestly. My problem was more that I just had a hard time sticking with it once you get to the point right before Rhone where you're running errands around the world. I didn't find the scenarios at that point to be very compelling compared to the games before and after it. I think Cave to Rhone is where people quit and it colors the rest of the game as a result. Edit: This is about the GBC version which I don't doubt was made easier.
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Oct 28, 2015 15:46
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JustJeff88 posted:I agree... partially. DQI isn't so much frustrating as grindy, but II is an absolute hair-pulling torture session right up until the end game. I played III all the way through last year and it was still very good... moderately grindy, yes, but that doesn't bother me much - I used to play EverQuest, for gently caress's sake. I will state that III holds up reasonably well today and the graphics still have a charm to them. I have never played IV on the NES, but one of these days I am going to put in that Game Genie code that turns off party AI and have a go at it. Depending on what version of DQ1 you get, it really isn't that bad. I definitely remember spending a lot of time having to grind on the NES release, but I believe the GBC release was a bit better at smoothing things out. If nothing else the other quality of life changes (such as the stat up seeds) made it a lot more tolerable. Speaking of grindy, let me just say gently caress these ingredient drops in DQ Heroes. I had something like 4 quests that require Belle Caps, and they just do not want to drop. I actually managed to farm the Mirrorstones I needed from Killing Machines before I got half of these quests done.
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Oct 28, 2015 16:08
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I played through SFC DQI-III last year and had no issues with them. I still laugh at the kvetching about DQII. My 10-year-old self beat that in 1990, and my Mom also beat it. It still probably has my favorite music of the entire series: the overworld music while the Prince is alone.
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Oct 28, 2015 16:10
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Nemo2342 posted:Depending on what version of DQ1 you get, it really isn't that bad. I definitely remember spending a lot of time having to grind on the NES release, but I believe the GBC release was a bit better at smoothing things out. If nothing else the other quality of life changes (such as the stat up seeds) made it a lot more tolerable. What drops the Belle Caps, on that note?
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Oct 28, 2015 16:13
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Shamans.
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Oct 28, 2015 18:27
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Nickoten posted:I honestly didn't find II too hard at all up to the near-end game, honestly. My problem was more that I just had a hard time sticking with it once you get to the point right before Rhone where you're running errands around the world. I didn't find the scenarios at that point to be very compelling compared to the games before and after it. I think Cave to Rhone is where people quit and it colors the rest of the game as a result. The Cave to Rhone is pretty near the end of the game too, so people would quit when they're almost done with the game.
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Oct 28, 2015 19:36
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Mr. Fortitude posted:The Cave to Rhone is pretty near the end of the game too, so people would quit when they're almost done with the game. The one saving grace, and it's not much of one, is if you get through then you come to that shrine that heals everyone to full for nothing as many times as you like and which you bloody well need because the overworld encounters in the area love to spam instant-kill spells that can hit the whole party... and sometimes do, causing an immediate wipe and reloading your last save. Luceo posted:I played through SFC DQI-III last year and had no issues with them. Glad to hear it. Just because we beat it as children, though, doesn't mean that it is well designed. That said, kudos to your mum. Part of the problem is so many versions of I, II, III and, slightly differently, IV. You have the original NES games which I still think have very well done graphics that hold up nicely, then there are the translated SFC versions, the bum-ugly but very well done and content rich (especially III) GBA versions, and, let's not forget, the tablet/phone versions that you can take just about anywhere with you but have slightly annoying controls. With IV, you have no SFC version (was never translated, I think?) but there is the DS version. So, yeah... agony of choice and all that.
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Oct 28, 2015 19:45
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In Training posted:I embarked on this journey earlier his year and it's quite the ride. Enjoy lots of awesome games (haven't played 7 or 9 yet though so I can't speak to those) Dragon Quest 9 is one of my favorite RPGs, you should get on that! It's the best Dragon Quest available on the DS (I'd love the chance to buy the DQ7 remake, Square...)
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Oct 28, 2015 19:54
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JustJeff88 posted:The one saving grace, and it's not much of one, is if you get through then you come to that shrine that heals everyone to full for nothing as many times as you like and which you bloody well need because the overworld encounters in the area love to spam instant-kill spells that can hit the whole party... and sometimes do, causing an immediate wipe and reloading your last save. Honestly, I always found the GBC graphics easier to stomach now than the NES equivalents. I actually even prefer them over whatever source the iOS versions of DQ1 and 2 draw from (I think it's the SFC versions?). SFC DQ3 looks really good though.
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Oct 28, 2015 20:06
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Nickoten posted:Honestly, I always found the GBC graphics easier to stomach now than the NES equivalents. I actually even prefer them over whatever source the iOS versions of DQ1 and 2 draw from (I think it's the SFC versions?). SFC DQ3 looks really good though. Agree to disagree. I played through DQI, II and III on the NES last summer ('14) and I find the graphics quite charming. The adorable slimes and the cheeky looking wyverns are burned into my brain. I do think that the SFC versions look grand, though, just less quaint (read: nostalgic)
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Oct 28, 2015 20:36
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JustJeff88 posted:Agree to disagree. I played through DQI, II and III on the NES last summer ('14) and I find the graphics quite charming. The adorable slimes and the cheeky looking wyverns are burned into my brain. I do think that the SFC versions look grand, though, just less quaint (read: nostalgic) I never beat Dragon Quest I until I played it on GBC and that has more nostalgic charm for me so I definitely see where you're coming from.
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Oct 28, 2015 20:41
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Crimson Harvest posted:Shamans. One of the Shrine maps has those, man-o-wars, and killing machines on it so it was a decent place to knock out a bunch of quests though it definitely started wearing down my party members (I think it's the first time I've run out of revives). I'm currently using a Sylveria map with Shaman instead, because there's a quicker loop to respawn shaman and the enemies overall are easier to tear through.
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Oct 28, 2015 20:51
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JustJeff88 posted:
It also doesn't make it a bad game. Goons tend to stretch hyperbole to the extreme, where everything is either the best thing ever, or the worst thing ever, but DQII is still a fine game, difficulty aside. My point was that the difficulty, while present, is exaggerated. I still remember being absolutely blown away by the scope of DQII when it came out, being amazed that you could have THREE party members compared to just one, and that the entire world of DQI was just a small part of II's map. And again, the music was wonderful.  It's not the best in the series, but it's certainly not the worst, and for its time DQII's difficulty was par for the the course. We beat games like that over our knees when I was a kid!
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Oct 28, 2015 23:27
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Luceo posted:
It's definitely the worst in the series whether or not you find it enjoyable!
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Oct 28, 2015 23:32
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Luceo posted:It also doesn't make it a bad game. Goons tend to stretch hyperbole to the extreme, where everything is either the best thing ever, or the worst thing ever, but DQII is still a fine game, difficulty aside. My point was that the difficulty, while present, is exaggerated. I still remember being absolutely blown away by the scope of DQII when it came out, being amazed that you could have THREE party members compared to just one, and that the entire world of DQI was just a small part of II's map. And again, the music was wonderful. I will concede that the scope is very impressive. The "growth" from DQ1 to DQ2 is staggering, and having three party members is a big help and the actual content (as in, not just grinding) is a huge step forward. Nevertheless, I played it less than 18 months ago and I was just glad that it was over when it was finally over. If you enjoy it, fine - I have no desire to piddle on your parade - but this is not a grown man channeling his whiny, spoiled childhood to express his bitterness. To the contrary, this is a grown man who played the game last year and thought that it had huge stretches of poor design and teeth-gnashins frustration. DQ3 was not as big a leap from 2 as 2 was from 1, but it none of those issues, had 4 party members with classes (that you could change!!!), a huge world and no random mobs who can wipe your entire fully-healed party with one action against which you have no defence. Having Metal Babbles run all the time is annoying, but it doesn't compare to what I just said.
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Oct 29, 2015 00:24
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I think 2 is real interesting from a historical perspective but I don't think it's particularly enjoyable compared to every other DQ I've played.
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Oct 29, 2015 00:27
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Srice posted:I think 2 is real interesting from a historical perspective but I don't think it's particularly enjoyable compared to every other DQ I've played. This is my opinion. DQ2 is an interesting historical footnote but I'd rather play pretty much any other DQ game.
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Oct 29, 2015 00:31
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Wendell posted:It's definitely the worst in the series whether or not you find it enjoyable! Srice posted:I think 2 is real interesting from a historical perspective but I don't think it's particularly enjoyable compared to every other DQ I've played. DQI is the worst in the series and DQV is the best. 
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Oct 29, 2015 00:46
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I think 1 is also neat from a historical perspective more than anything else, but it's also way less of a slog than 2 and much, much shorter so I like it more.
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Oct 29, 2015 01:09
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DQ1 is certainly more playable in the translated DQI+II SFC game than on the NES, but if you fast forward it's only like an hour long.  STAIRS DOOR
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Oct 29, 2015 01:10
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I told Amos the truth in Dragon Quest VI then saved the game. whoops. So far this is shaping up to be my favorite DQ. I've finished IV and V, and while they're really cool games and V has one of my favorite game stories VI is just so much more interesting from a gameplay perspective. Like in V I was using basic attack and autoheal for most of the game. In VI the dungeons are long and the regular encounters are difficult so I can't do that. All the dungeons remind me of the great and long final one in V.
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Oct 29, 2015 01:18
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I think the GBC versions look great, especially for the hardware. The battle animations are fantastic.
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Oct 29, 2015 01:21
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JustJeff88 posted:I agree... partially. DQI isn't so much frustrating as grindy, but II is an absolute hair-pulling torture session right up until the end game. I played III all the way through last year and it was still very good... moderately grindy, yes, but that doesn't bother me much - I used to play EverQuest, for gently caress's sake. I will state that III holds up reasonably well today and the graphics still have a charm to them. I have never played IV on the NES, but one of these days I am going to put in that Game Genie code that turns off party AI and have a go at it. If you play the NES version of DQIV skip the Iron Safe in chapter 3. Not only does it permanently take up a slot that is better used by a Sword of Malice (full inventory of them, for money in Chapter 5) but it vanishes in chapter 5 anyways, so if you want it for the main game you need to just wait until chapter 5 to get it. Luceo posted:I played through SFC DQI-III last year and had no issues with them. I beat it as a kid as well but that doesn't make the game any less of a poorly designed hell. Cave of Rhode sucks but it's not like the area after it decides to stop with the bullshit.
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Oct 29, 2015 03:34
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Evil Fluffy posted:If you play the NES version of DQIV skip the Iron Safe in chapter 3. Not only does it permanently take up a slot that is better used by a Sword of Malice (full inventory of them, for money in Chapter 5) but it vanishes in chapter 5 anyways, so if you want it for the main game you need to just wait until chapter 5 to get it. As I recall, the Iron Safe only works in chapter 3. Am I misremembering?
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Oct 29, 2015 03:44
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I think that's right, with the in-game idea being that the iron safe becomes the bank in Chapter 5.
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Oct 29, 2015 11:51
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Evil Eagle posted:I told Amos the truth in Dragon Quest VI then saved the game. whoops. I screwed up with Amos too, it's cool that it's permanently missable but I wanted to recruit him!!!
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Oct 29, 2015 15:04
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Dragon Quest 2 is a hosed up game and probably the one I'm least inclined to go back and play, but I will still defend it to the death. Playing it as a kid without the internet was an awesome experience and no other RPG I've played has come close to matching the sense of accomplishment and the sheer joy of discovery and exploration that I got from that game.
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Oct 29, 2015 22:17
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Adam Bowen posted:Dragon Quest 2 is a hosed up game and probably the one I'm least inclined to go back and play, but I will still defend it to the death. Playing it as a kid without the internet was an awesome experience and no other RPG I've played has come close to matching the sense of accomplishment and the sheer joy of discovery and exploration that I got from that game. Glad to see I'm not the only one. 
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Dragon quest IX is my favourite and a very very good game. I envy those of you who have yet to play it. Do so, it's awesome.
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