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flakeloaf posted:Serious question, at what point does the Sun run so far afoul of basic journalistic standards that someone holds them to account? Never.
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flakeloaf posted:Serious question, at what point does the Sun run so far afoul of basic journalistic standards that someone holds them to account? lol
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Oct 28, 2015 15:58
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It's pretty rich that the same people that believe government budgets should be run like household budgets also believe that the government shouldn't perform critical repairs on its literal house.
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Oct 28, 2015 15:59
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flakeloaf posted:Serious question, at what point does the Sun run so far afoul of basic journalistic standards that someone holds them to account? The same time the Toronto Star starts posting articles like this under Opinion instead of News. http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/10/22/its-been-a-terrible-decade-under-stephen-harper-porter.html
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Oct 28, 2015 15:59
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Ikantski posted:The same time the Toronto Star starts posting articles like this under Opinion instead of News. Oh, okay. Journalism's just like that now. Cool.
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Oct 28, 2015 16:00
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flakeloaf posted:Oh, okay. Journalism's just like that now. Cool. Journalism has always been like that. We've just lived through a brief interlude where we tried to pretend it wasn't.
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Oct 28, 2015 16:06
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rrrrrrrrrrrt posted:It's pretty rich that the same people that believe government budgets should be run like household budgets also believe that the government shouldn't perform critical repairs on its literal house. Well, they tried insulting his intelligence, his looks, his hair, his policies, his charity mustache, his boxing match, his past jobs, and it all failed to stop him from getting a majority -- I guess at this point insulting his plans to live in a decrepit 100+ yo house that hasn't been substantially repaired since the 50s is the next logical step.
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Oct 28, 2015 16:13
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the moustache was pretty loving bad honestly
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Oct 28, 2015 16:15
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flakeloaf posted:Serious question, at what point does the Sun run so far afoul of basic journalistic standards that someone holds them to account? Consider them a British tabloid at best
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Oct 28, 2015 16:16
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The media likes to pretend that all journalists are cut from the same mold as Woodward and Bernstein, but it's always been beholden to the interests of the owners, and in Canada's case government access. Though I have to say that my impression is that owners are clamping down on dissenting opinions more now-a-days. Every election there's a bigger batch of small scandals around election endorsements by papers.
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Oct 28, 2015 16:23
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flakeloaf posted:Oh, okay. Journalism's just like that now. Cool. I'd actually argue that it's people that are like that now. Newspapers don't influence readers, readers influence papers. People will buy the paper that reinforces their world view. As people got more polaraized by Harper, so did the papers. They're an outdated medium precariously teetering on the edge of profitability so you kind of expect them to pander to their readers and be a bit biased. 
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Oct 28, 2015 16:26
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jm20 posted:Did you also vote Harper? I voted Trudeau, Notley, voted for Nenshi twice, and so did my wife shocking to you I know because most on this sub forum only hang around with their online friends, or if they do have real life ones they all only share the same opinions as you but if you go out into the real world and actually meet people you'll see that you can disagree with a politician but still overall agree with them and that doesn't make you crazy notley is just doing the same failed thing that the PCs did which is she's banking on oil prices going back up, that's the only logical explanation for how their budget will eventually get balanced and it will be the NDP downfall when it doesn't happen, i'm fully expecting them to leave office with Alberta in debt problems after seeing this budget
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Oct 28, 2015 16:33
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vyelkin posted:If Trudeau is smart, this is already the perfect spin for the story. "This is something Harper should have done ten years ago, but he didn't, and now we have to clean up his mess." I heard that Stornoway (residence of the leader of the opposition) is in need of renovations too. If that's true they should do both at the same time, it has better optics.
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Oct 28, 2015 16:33
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Ikantski posted:I'd actually argue that it's people that are like that now. Newspapers don't influence readers, readers influence papers. People will buy the paper that reinforces their world view. As people got more polaraized by Harper, so did the papers. They're an outdated medium precariously teetering on the edge of profitability so you kind of expect them to pander to their readers and be a bit biased. That's actually kinda reasonable. In 2015, a piece of paper that describes the stuff that happened yesterday is of limited utility.
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Oct 28, 2015 16:42
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Do it ironically posted:I voted Trudeau, Notley, voted for Nenshi twice, and so did my wife shocking to you I know because most on this sub forum only hang around with their online friends, or if they do have real life ones they all only share the same opinions as you but if you go out into the real world and actually meet people you'll see that you can disagree with a politician but still overall agree with them and that doesn't make you crazy A lot of  to answer a question, and don't presume to realize where I was going with my question either. The problem is not with Notley or oil prices, it's with Alberta's lack of revenue generating tools outside of energy royalties.
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Oct 28, 2015 16:44
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flakeloaf posted:Um, what in several fucks? How can you complain about being unfairly scapegoated while also protesting due process against people accused of assault?
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Oct 28, 2015 16:56
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flakeloaf posted:That's actually kinda reasonable. In 2015, a piece of paper that describes the stuff that happened yesterday is of limited utility. I really do not need somebody to analyze breaking news within a few hours of it happening, since they'll just be giving me foundationless speculation. I honestly rarely feel enlightened by that kind of news.
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Oct 28, 2015 17:05
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Twitter is a great source of news. Like this terrible tidbit:quote:Ottawa Citizen Verified account @OttawaCitizen 25m25 minutes ago gently caress everything.
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Oct 28, 2015 17:07
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flakeloaf posted:gently caress everything. I know it's hard to fathom, but you want it this way. I believe he's a first time offender on a couple of non-indictables so jail-time isn't a particularly great option. We do want justice to be equitable and reasoned, don't we?
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Oct 28, 2015 17:13
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jfood posted:I know it's hard to fathom, but you want it this way. I believe he's a first time offender on a couple of non-indictables so jail-time isn't a particularly great option. We do want justice to be equitable and reasoned, don't we? Yeah.
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Oct 28, 2015 17:16
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jm20 posted:The problem is not with Notley or oil prices, it's with Alberta's lack of revenue generating tools outside of energy royalties. A thousand times, this. Oil royalties should basically just go to the Heritage Fund, and every other form of tax should pay for operational stuff. Now is the time to unfuck the system, because oil probably isn't going any lower, and if it somehow does, that's not actually going to make it any worse for Albertans.
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Oct 28, 2015 17:21
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jfood posted:I know it's hard to fathom, but you want it this way. I believe he's a first time offender on a couple of non-indictables so jail-time isn't a particularly great option. We do want justice to be equitable and reasoned, don't we? Cocaine possession is straight-indictable, isn't it? I honestly don't know, which is shameful but hey I'm out of practice. CDSA posted:Every person who contravenes subsection (1) or (2) [by possessing a controlled substance] There is room between "absolute discharge" and "time in jail for shoving your finger in a woman's vagina while trying to kick her down the stairs". Even a conditional discharge would've been better than the nothing he got. One day. A one-dollar fine. A record of some kind that you and I both know will just be pardoned immediately. Instead, the message that we get is that it's not recommended to do what he did, but if you do, nothing will happen to you. e: That aside, it is not generally in the interests of justice to put sitting senators or parliamentarians in jail, and doing so would normally tend to cost society more than it gains us, so in that sense a jail term would be a totally fanciful thing for anyone to expect. flakeloaf fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Oct 28, 2015 |
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Oct 28, 2015 17:21
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flakeloaf posted:Cocaine possession is straight-indictable, isn't it? I honestly don't know, which is shameful but hey I'm out of practice. The decision will make it clear.
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Oct 28, 2015 17:28
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P.d0t posted:A thousand times, this. Albertans would literally form mobs in the street complete with pitchforks and torches if they just went straight to that. I dont think you understand how thin the wire is that the ANDP is trying to walk along. Dont forget, they want to remain in power after this is well so as horrible as it is, its probably just better to ease the province into it instead of going full Denmark.
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Oct 28, 2015 17:28
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Kafka Esq. posted:The decision will make it clear. You're right, I'm skipping to the end of the movie and then yelling at the screen because I don't understand what happened.
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Oct 28, 2015 17:29
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Hybrid offense, either indictable or summary. I think the Crown's strategy was to have the verdict on his record prior to the malfeasance/public trust charges he's due in court for on a later date. But I wasn't in the room, so that's just conjecture.
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Oct 28, 2015 17:31
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Furnaceface posted:Albertans would literally form mobs in the street complete with pitchforks and torches if they just went straight to that. I dont think you understand how thin the wire is that the ANDP is trying to walk along. Dont forget, they want to remain in power after this is well so as horrible as it is, its probably just better to ease the province into it instead of going full Denmark. Yeah that could happen  
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Oct 28, 2015 17:35
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P.d0t posted:Yeah that could happen I think youre mistaken in what I agree with. Im all for it but I dont have much faith in the people of that province to understand why it would actually benefit them in the long run. The ANDP has to decide between forcing the right thing on the province and being hated forever because of it (like the ONDP did under Bob Rae) or trying to sneak in helpful legislation over a longer period and hoping it doesnt backfire.
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Oct 28, 2015 17:57
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Do it ironically posted:she's banking on oil prices going back up Well if they're anything like housing prices that's the only way they can go!
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Oct 28, 2015 18:01
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P.d0t posted:A thousand times, this. This is the huge problem with these resource based economies though. Oil made so much money it pushed out every other viable revenue generating business and you end up having no choice but to run off those Oil Royalties. We don't have a real tech, financial or manufacturing sector that we can tax because they simply couldn't compete with the money that oil generated which raised the local CoL. My hope is that when the oil companies start falling, the glut of infrastructure that was built to accommodate might possibly attach some new industries. Of course that worked so well for Detroit and the rust belt...
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Oct 28, 2015 18:16
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What would be the income tax adjustments to balance Alberta's budget without oil royalties?
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Oct 28, 2015 18:24
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cowofwar posted:What would be the income tax adjustments to balance Alberta's budget without oil royalties? Actual progressive taxation of personal income. Look at what they are proposing, granted it is a toe into socialism. The revenue shortfall was forecast at 5b , but will likely be higher at 6-6.5b. The personal income tax revenue was 11b out of a 50b total. http://finance.alberta.ca/publications/budget/budget2015-october/fiscal-plan-revenue.pdf code:Risky Bisquick fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Oct 28, 2015 |
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Oct 28, 2015 18:38
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Vancouver City Council voted today to tear down the Georgia and Dunsmuir viaducts. You know what that means: a bunch of people who don't live in Vancouver will be slightly inconvenienced while driving through Vancouver. That's bad!
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Oct 28, 2015 18:48
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jm20 posted:Actual progressive taxation of personal income. Look at what they are proposing, granted it is a toe into socialism. The revenue shortfall was forecast at 5b , but will likely be higher at 6-6.5b. The personal income tax revenue was 11b out of a 50b total. http://finance.alberta.ca/publications/budget/budget2015-october/fiscal-plan-revenue.pdf On one hand I'm glad it doesn't affect me, on the other, I wish it did.
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Oct 28, 2015 18:52
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they should all move toronto, we would have torn down the viaducts and then rebuilt them to be bigger and better at triple the cost
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Oct 28, 2015 18:53
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THC posted:Vancouver City Council voted today to tear down the Georgia and Dunsmuir viaducts. You know what that means: a bunch of people who don't live in Vancouver will be slightly inconvenienced while driving through Vancouver. That's bad! Of course half of those people live outside of Vancouver and probably a tenth of that half drive to work downtown. It's like my father complaining about the bike lanes downtown when in reality he has never driven downtown for work ever, never visits downtown because he flies between here, Calgary, and Toronto most of the time, and when he does come downtown it's probably like once or maybe twice a year. Bridge and tunnel people are the worst. Tear them down and bring on the tears.
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Oct 28, 2015 18:55
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flakeloaf posted:Serious question, at what point does the Sun run so far afoul of basic journalistic standards that someone holds them to account? Who do you think should hold them to account? How?
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Oct 28, 2015 18:56
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THC posted:Vancouver City Council voted today to tear down the Georgia and Dunsmuir viaducts. You know what that means: a bunch of people who don't live in Vancouver will be slightly inconvenienced while driving through Vancouver. That's bad! But... m-m-m-my urban eyesore! It's basically the same in Montreal, they want to tear down the elevated Bonaventure expressway into Montreal and who complained in droves? The south shore residents who insist on driving in and out of their suburbian hellhole every day. Everyone else on the island is thrilled to see it go, especially the residents of boroughs Verdun/LaSalle which are enclaved by the elevated expressway. Basically, this:  Will become something like this: 
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Oct 28, 2015 19:02
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El Scotch posted:On one hand I'm glad it doesn't affect me, on the other, I wish it did. Given the median income in Alberta is only like $42k, it will barely affect anyone. Hopefully it's just stage 1 and 2 of a 5 step plan towards full communism.
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Pinterest Mom posted:Who do you think should hold them to account? How? By the Ideological Purity Squads. They can make sure The Sun is sufficiently 'balanced' and Baird is sufficiently 'gay'. I see no problems arising from this idea.
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