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Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

Joementum posted:

I'd assumed we were talking about federal House districts. Obviously it's true that Congress can't do poo poo about state legislatures.

Well, if they get a big enough majority they could enact some creative funding requirements. Like all states with an F in their name can only get transportation funds if their governor doesn't look like a serial killer.

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Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
An alright dude.
Rubio putting down Bush was brutal.

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

Gyges posted:

Well, if they get a big enough majority they could enact some creative funding requirements. Like all states with an F in their name can only get transportation funds if their governor doesn't look like a serial killer.

Eh, there's a solid case to be made that he looks like a reptoid in lovely human disguise rather than a serial killer.

Zoran
Aug 19, 2008

I lost to you once, monster. I shall not lose again! Die now, that our future can live!
You know, there are surprisingly few states whose names contain the letter F.

BetterToRuleInHell
Jul 2, 2007

Touch my mask top
Get the chop chop
Man, everyone is gonna get a bump from this. Conservative and liberal initial reactions to this debate is not about the candidates, but just how terrible CNBC blundered on handling this. When CNBC is accused of being liberal, you know they hosed up.

Alfred P. Pseudonym
May 29, 2006

And when you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss goes 8-8

How did Rubio own JEB!? I was only half watching while working.

I liked the part where Kasich basically called half the field a bunch of dumbass clowns

E: was there anything worth watching from the babby debate? I have it sitting on me DVR

Zoran
Aug 19, 2008

I lost to you once, monster. I shall not lose again! Die now, that our future can live!

Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:

How did Rubio own JEB!? I was only half watching while working.

I liked the part where Kasich basically called half the field a bunch of dumbass clowns

E: was there anything worth watching from the babby debate? I have it sitting on me DVR

Jeb thought following the "lazy/skips votes/hates being a Senator" line of attack was a good idea. Rubio shut him down by pointing out that McCain, Obama, and Kerry had all missed more votes during their campaigns and turned it against Jeb by essentially painting Jeb as being in the pocket of the liberal media.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.

Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:

How did Rubio own JEB!? I was only half watching while working.

I liked the part where Kasich basically called half the field a bunch of dumbass clowns

E: was there anything worth watching from the babby debate? I have it sitting on me DVR

Jeb tried to pile on the BS about Rubio needs to resign for missing votes, and Rubio called him out for supporting other people that did less than him in the senate while campaigning like John McCain. Then he said he's not going to attack anyone and he understands that Bush is only attacking him because of his own floundering numbers.

Alfred P. Pseudonym
May 29, 2006

And when you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss goes 8-8

Zoran posted:

Jeb thought following the "lazy/skips votes/hates being a Senator" line of attack was a good idea. Rubio shut him down by pointing out that McCain, Obama, and Kerry had all missed more votes during their campaigns and turned it against Jeb by essentially painting Jeb as being in the pocket of the liberal media.

Oh yeah I saw that part. I just assumed he was full of poo poo. Lol at JEB! tho

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

30.5 Days posted:

In other news, it's incredible how the republican primary process now fails at providing even the most basic benefits of a primary process. Does anyone feel as though Carson has been inoculated against the quackery attacks that would no doubt come his way in the general?

He was and that's why he now takes that wonder drug every day that he endorses but does not endorse which cures autism.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Joementum posted:

The problem wasn't the times. The problem was that the candidates' tax plans are mathematically impossible and even the most in-the-bag-for-capitalism network pointed that out, so they had to resort to attacking Rick Santelli as a Communist.

Sounds like somebody hasn't read The Secret.

BI NOW GAY LATER
Jan 17, 2008

So people stop asking, the "Bi" in my username is a reference to my love for the two greatest collegiate sports programs in the world, the Virginia Tech Hokies and the Marshall Thundering Herd.
Jeb! dead.

Zoran
Aug 19, 2008

I lost to you once, monster. I shall not lose again! Die now, that our future can live!
I still can't believe Jeb! offered me a warm kiss.

BI NOW GAY LATER
Jan 17, 2008

So people stop asking, the "Bi" in my username is a reference to my love for the two greatest collegiate sports programs in the world, the Virginia Tech Hokies and the Marshall Thundering Herd.

Nintendo Kid posted:

Eh, there's a solid case to be made that he looks like a reptoid in lovely human disguise rather than a serial killer.

lol fishmech

showbiz_liz
Jun 2, 2008

JonathonSpectre posted:

I'm a political junkie that spends hours every day reading about this poo poo and I could not stomach more than half an hour of the fantasy-land fairy-tale horseshit being flung around that stage. I had to turn it off because I felt physically ill. That's not hyperbole, I genuinely felt sick to my stomach at what I was seeing. That anyone takes any of these snake-oil selling hucksters seriously is an unbelievable indictment of the Republican party. None of these lying mediocrities is fit to run a local animal control department, much less the entire United States of America.

DnD is extremely liberal and we like to make fun of the Republican clown show, but Jesus loving Christ it's really really important if we're going to have a two party system to have two parties that are at least loosely based in three-dimensional physical reality and one of them is decidedly not so at the moment. The dangers of politics-as-religion, where everything is based on beliefs regardless of facts and evidence was on full display tonight for two hours and anyone who could sit and watch it has better anger management skills and a much stronger stomach for deliberate dishonesty than I do.

gently caress these people for what they've done to our politics.

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
An alright dude.
That was a weird off handed comment toward the French for no reason by JEB! . Just weird now that I am reading a news story " French Work Week". That sounds amazing.

PUGGERNAUT
Nov 14, 2013

I AM INCREDIBLY BORING AND SHOULD STOP TALKING ABOUT FOOD IN THE POLITICS THREAD

Hollismason posted:

That was a weird off handed comment toward the French for no reason by JEB! . Just weird now that I am reading a news story " French Work Week". That sounds amazing.

Where've you been? Republicans have been hating on the French for no reason for years.

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
An alright dude.
Yeah it's just weird though it's not something a Presidential candidate should be saying considering part of his job may in fact him being involved in some sort of venture with the French government.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Hollismason posted:

Yeah it's just weird though it's not something a Presidential candidate should be saying considering part of his job may in fact him being involved in some sort of venture with the French government.

Lol have you heard about the way they talk about our largest trading partners?

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich
i still completely love how like every candidate gets so much traction out of the blistering paradox of "government can't do anything right and ruins everything it touches"/"place me in charge of the government so i can enact a wide sweeping agenda that will make your life wonderful"

this seems dangerous, like eventually they pound this message home and GOP voters just stop voting because why bother

PUGGERNAUT
Nov 14, 2013

I AM INCREDIBLY BORING AND SHOULD STOP TALKING ABOUT FOOD IN THE POLITICS THREAD
If you praise any country that isn't the US of A you're a drat RINO :bahgawd:

Toph Bei Fong
Feb 29, 2008



Mr. Nice! posted:

We don't have to worry until he starts calling himself PDR.

Physician's Desk Reference?

Mr. Nice! posted:

Rafael Edward Cruz doesn't go by any of his names. He's like John Ellis Bush in that regard.

If you think about it, calling him Jeb! Bush is like calling it an ATM! Machine, isn't it?

KiteAuraan
Aug 5, 2014

JER GEDDA FERDA RADDA ARA!


Fiorina railing about stagnant wages at the beginning of the debate was glorious. You know, since that's Reagan's fault and all.

Mo_Steel
Mar 7, 2008

Let's Clock Into The Sunset Together

Fun Shoe

JonathonSpectre posted:

I'm a political junkie that spends hours every day reading about this poo poo and I could not stomach more than half an hour of the fantasy-land fairy-tale horseshit being flung around that stage. I had to turn it off because I felt physically ill. That's not hyperbole, I genuinely felt sick to my stomach at what I was seeing. That anyone takes any of these snake-oil selling hucksters seriously is an unbelievable indictment of the Republican party. None of these lying mediocrities is fit to run a local animal control department, much less the entire United States of America.

DnD is extremely liberal and we like to make fun of the Republican clown show, but Jesus loving Christ it's really really important if we're going to have a two party system to have two parties that are at least loosely based in three-dimensional physical reality and one of them is decidedly not so at the moment. The dangers of politics-as-religion, where everything is based on beliefs regardless of facts and evidence was on full display tonight for two hours and anyone who could sit and watch it has better anger management skills and a much stronger stomach for deliberate dishonesty than I do.

gently caress these people for what they've done to our politics.

I'm pretty sure someone in IRC put it best: Kasich was up there and it was like he suddenly realized he's the only sane person there. "You can't just make a bunch of empty promises I mean come on!"

I'd swear Kasich was about 2 minutes for quoting this word for word as his closing statement:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WINDtlPXmmE

"It's crazy! It's like everything everywhere is going crazy!"

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

bobjr posted:

Honestly the only way to fix moderating at this point is to cut off mikes, but I really doubt candidates will agree to that.

Nah, the republicans would probably have a knife fight over who would get to be first to drop a reference to "I paid for that microphone" when they got cut off.


My takeaway is Bush bragged about his fantasy team because that has been his only source of joy this fall.

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

Gyges posted:

For all the problems of the Senate, you can't gerrymander it.

Sure you can, they are trying to do just that with the "5 state solution" to take out California. Or denying statehood to Puerto Rico and DC

PupsOfWar
Dec 6, 2013

I'll bet Jeb don't even know poo poo about football

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

Hej min vän, hur står det till?
Reposting from the RSF Republican thread

quote:

Debate recap/summary

CNBC
- "CNBC is the smartest!"
- Opening with creepy horror-movie child singing parts of "America the Beautiful"
- Tweets making fun of the candidates and how badly CNBC is handling the debate made it into their on-screen scroll
- Jim Cramer was allowed to ask questions as if he has any remaining credibility

Ben Carson
- Tax calculation: just apply a flat tax rate to the GDP.
- Tithing tax revision: 10 is really close to 15. MATH!
- I did not have any formal relationship with that company, other than the paid speeches and all that stuff, by the way I use their product and like it very much!
- Answered the "what is your biggest fault" basic job interview question with "I don't really see myself winning, but I guess if people say I should try I will."
- Almost said that pharmaceutical companies "profit seeking" can sometimes be bad, but then just advocated for deregulating drug markets because that drug-price-hike investor bro was really popular with people.
- Rambled for a while about gays and essentially came to the conclusion that Constitutionally, Straight Lives Matter
- Homophobia is a left-wing conspiracy
- The government's collective intellect is dumb, so vote for me to join that collective intellect.

Ted Cruz
- Nobody likes me and would never want to have a drink with me.
- Flat Tax! (Except there will be lots of exceptions so it's not really a flat tax, just regressive.)
- Spent most of his time whining about the liberal media, gets applause somehow.
- Becomes Muscleman from Regular Show with constant repetition of "MY MOM!!"
- Quantitative easing is evil
- The Fed caused the housing boom/crisis
- Abolish the IRS so nobody can enforce my flat tax

Rand Paul
- Join my filibuster that isn't really a filibuster because it's actually impossible for me to do anything about this.

Trump
- "I love the Mexican people!", the whitest thing one could possibly say about Mexicans other than "I love their food."
- Kicked Kasich in the dick for being a part of Lehman Bros.
- "I didn't file for bankruptcy!"
- SuperPACs are corrupting otherwise "very good people" in the GOP
- We should forcefully keep international college students in the US because now they know too much. Like in The Prisoner.


Kasich
- "MY PARTY IS FULL OF CRAZY PEOPLE! ALSO BALANCED-BUDGET AMENDMENT!"
- Tried to deflect Lehman Bros. slam by saying "I was a banker!"
- DEATH TAX
- gently caress weed. I hate weed. Eat a dick, weed.

Carly Fiorina
- Let's reduce the entire tax code to 3 pages, coming across like an elementary school student complaining to their teacher about the length of their book report assignment.
- CNBC just reads out her horrible HP record, she just blames it on office politics.
- Crony capitalism
- Pharmaceutical and banks are basically like the Little Matchstick Girl in Obama's America, they're so scared and vulnerable!

Marco Rubio
- Lamely used John McCain as defense against Jeb!'s attack about his absentee senate record, but because Jeb! is so inept that was good enough to blow it up.
- Tried to complain about the liberal media, but not as loudly as Cruz
- My tax plan will not make poor people's taxes higher, just numerically higher.
- America gave my family a chance, so I want to design it so that other families like mine never get that chance.

Jeb!
- Sounds like a FRENCH work week amirite?
- CNBC asks him a question that amounted to little more than "how come you're such a loving failure and are you wasting your donors' money?"
- Warm kiss.
- Re: spending/tax rates "SANDERS AND CINTON AND OBAMA HAVE HAD THEIR WAY FOR TOO LONG!"
- People want outsiders, and I'm technically not a politician because I haven't been governor of Florida for a few years now.

Mike Huckabee
- Doesn't understand how Social Security works.
- Came out against Means-Testing because he didn't realize it's a GOP idea and also doesn't know what Means Testing is.
- Claimed the government has no business in our lives, does not mention abortion.
- "'I'm the only one on stage' lines are cliche, but I'M THE ONLY ONE ON STAGE WHO—"
- We should just outlaw diseases, that way we won't have spend money on healthcare!

Chris Christie
- Firing Petreas was a political show.
- Tried to copy Sanders' "shut up about the drat emails" moment but to defend Draft Kings from regulation as gambling instead
- My state is 3rd in solar energy production! Republicans love solar energy, right?
- We have had so many great ideas on this stage, and are having a civil conversation UNLIKE THAT INSANE DEM DEBATE

I probably missed a bunch, but so much of this debate just bled together into one hazy disgusting mess.

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!
I'm inclined to guess Rubio will get a boost (press induced ala Fiorina if nothing else) I just don't know where his support will come from. Trump/Carson/Cruz supporters won't leave them and there isn't enough to gobble from the others to make much of a wave.

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Neeksy posted:

Reposting from the RSF Republican thread


I probably missed a bunch, but so much of this debate just bled together into one hazy disgusting mess.

-cruz wants to reinstate the gold standard
-fiorina argued that corporate mergers happen because of socialist overregulation, and if only regulations were eliminated, then there would be an explosion of hundreds if not thousands of competitors in every concievable industry
-kasich was governor of ohio, and he is very proud to be from his home state, ohio, located in the american midwest. a proud state. ohio

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Popular Thug Drink posted:

-cruz wants to reinstate the gold standard
-fiorina argued that corporate mergers happen because of socialist overregulation, and if only regulations were eliminated, then there would be an explosion of hundreds if not thousands of competitors in every concievable industry
-kasich was governor of ohio, and he is very proud to be from his home state, ohio, located in the american midwest. a proud state. ohio

Ohio: The Tire Fire State.

KiteAuraan
Aug 5, 2014

JER GEDDA FERDA RADDA ARA!


The last time Ohio was culturally relevant on a national scale was when the Ohio Hopewell were a thing, in the Middle Woodland Period, 2000 years ago.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

KiteAuraan posted:

The last time Ohio was culturally relevant on a national scale was when the Ohio Hopewell were a thing, in the Middle Woodland Period, 2000 years ago.

I actually think it was when the Drew Carey Show was popular, so probably a few years after that.

Dr.Zeppelin
Dec 5, 2003

Neeksy posted:

Reposting from the RSF Republican thread


I probably missed a bunch, but so much of this debate just bled together into one hazy disgusting mess.

Kasich saying Ohio State University "shouldn't be in the dining hall business or the dorm business or the parking lot business" so that college is more affordable was up there too

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

PupsOfWar posted:

I'll bet Jeb don't even know poo poo about football

It's where his brother danced at half time.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Dr.Zeppelin posted:

Kasich saying Ohio State University "shouldn't be in the dining hall business or the dorm business or the parking lot business" so that college is more affordable was up there too

Oh yeah that fun plan of driving down the costs of tuition by privatizing university revenue generators haha

Swan Oat
Oct 9, 2012

I was selected for my skill.

pathetic little tramp posted:



*ominous music plays*

So was this anything or nah?

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Joementum posted:

I'd assumed we were talking about federal House districts. Obviously it's true that Congress can't do poo poo about state legislatures.

Unfuck the Federal level and then have the US Congress pass bills that give the DoJ a shitload of resources to go after voter suppression and then reauthorize the VRA with things like preclearance being made a nationwide standard, or go the drinking age route of simply withholding a bit of Federal funds for any State that doesn't use a means of drawing districts like California does. It'd take far more will than any US Congress would ever have, but they could definitely make Gerrymandering of state legislatures too painful to do.

Rhesus Pieces
Jun 27, 2005

Fried Chicken posted:

I'm inclined to guess Rubio will get a boost (press induced ala Fiorina if nothing else) I just don't know where his support will come from. Trump/Carson/Cruz supporters won't leave them and there isn't enough to gobble from the others to make much of a wave.

He'll get Bush's nickel when he drops out.

I mean, he's done right? He's quickly becoming a punchline and everyone's gleefully shoveling dirt on his grave. He looks like he's been running on fumes for a while now and wants this to be over with.

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Kaal
May 22, 2002

through thousands of posts in D&D over a decade, I now believe I know what I'm talking about. if I post forcefully and confidently, I can convince others that is true. no one sees through my facade.

Rhesus Pieces posted:

He'll get Bush's nickel when he drops out. I mean, he's done right? He's quickly becoming a punchline and everyone's gleefully shoveling dirt on his grave. He looks like he's been running on fumes for a while now and wants this to be over with.

He's pursuing a March-April ground-game strategy, so I think that he'll at least wait until the results are in for the early states. Unless he completely loses ground, which he hasn't, he's going to keep waiting until the front-runners also have a campaign operation to match their polls. Trump and Carson might be convinced that cable news coverage is all you need to win an election, but I think the veterans aren't going to believe that until they at least see some primary results come in.

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