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Femtosecond posted:The benefit is it will create residences for an estimated 2500 people. Add onto that all the amenities, restaurants, and retail that come along with new building development. Removing the viaducts opens up the potential for a whole new neighbourhood where there is currently fenced off police impound lots, parking and other unused spaces. Yeah we totally need to remove those viaducts to help concord do something with those parking lots we sold them to them at a ridiculous loss
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Cultural Imperial posted:https://twitter.com/penultsquire/status/659441236227391488/photo/1 These are the same people that think Vancouver has no nuclear weapons because of the CoV sign as you enter the city aren't they? Anyone that thinks the north of False Creek is going to get a park built like those drawings should contact me though. I have some viaducts to sell you at a very good price.
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MonsieurChoc posted:We are!? Ohmigod, that's great news! That viaduc always felt to me like a little part of Detroit in Montreal. Yeah, that's why there was all that fuss about a plan to divert untreated sewage into the St Laurence for a week.
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ocrumsprug posted:These are the same people that think Vancouver has no nuclear weapons because of the CoV sign as you enter the city aren't they?  But there are drawings! Cannot wait for a larger parking lot that Cirque du Soleil will use. Also there's a hospital built in Richmond that will suffer greater than one built on the flats. The flats for the new hospital site are suitable for such a project. Besides, St Paul's existing site is a loving death trap and is a waste of money to fix.
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ocrumsprug posted:These are the same people that think Vancouver has no nuclear weapons because of the CoV sign as you enter the city aren't they? I've taken a look at this several times and it continues to mystify me. Since when does Vancouver have nuclear weapons?
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Kafka Esq. posted:Would you be very surprised that the Liberal government would introduce a non-proportional voting system? That's rich. Small world. I was volunteering in his office (and then his campaign) this year. Would I have seen you around?
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David Corbett posted:I've taken a look at this several times and it continues to mystify me. Since when does Vancouver have nuclear weapons? Well see at Vancouver city limits there are signs indicating nuclear weapons aren't permitted, which is similar to thinking the municipal governments are in charge of hospitals. 
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David Corbett posted:I've taken a look at this several times and it continues to mystify me. Since when does Vancouver have nuclear weapons? http://www.generalfusion.com/ 
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David Corbett posted:I've taken a look at this several times and it continues to mystify me. Since when does Vancouver have nuclear weapons? Premise 1: You can't trust anything the government tells you, it's all propaganda, kinda like preemptive vaccines in the absence of an outbreak saving lives as opposed to saving the healthcare system a little bit of money. Premise 2: 
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Lustful Man Hugs posted:Small world. I was volunteering in his office (and then his campaign) this year. Would I have seen you around? Do you know Timothy or Bridgette?
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James Baud posted:Premise 1: You can't trust anything the government tells you, it's all propaganda, kinda like preemptive vaccines in the absence of an outbreak saving lives as opposed to saving the healthcare system a little bit of money. Never mind the fact that nuclear-powered ships from the United States military have been docked at the Port of Vancouver.
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Oct 29, 2015 07:02
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Kafka Esq. posted:Do you know Timothy or Bridgette? Yep. They were staffers on the campaign too, and of course they were at the office as well.
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Oct 29, 2015 07:04
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I don't really drink alchohol, but it seems lots of CanPoli Goons talk about it lots, and I came across this article. http://www.onbeer.org/2015/10/alberta-shifts-the-beer-playing-field/ quote:Most of the coverage of yesterday’s Alberta provincial budget, the first by the new NDP government, focused on the deficit, the pledge to create jobs and protect services, and their infrastructure spending. However, hidden in the details was a decision that will have huge ramifications for the beer industry in the province. So... is this bad because taxes? Good because local breweries? Or bad because local breweries are poo poo?
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Lustful Man Hugs posted:Yep. They were staffers on the campaign too, and of course they were at the office as well. Small world.
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OSI bean dip posted:Never mind the fact that nuclear-powered ships from the United States military have been docked at the Port of Vancouver. A nuclear powered ship isn't *technically* a nuclear weapon, it's a ship powered by a nuclear reactor driving a steam turbine for propulsion.
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OSI bean dip posted:Never mind the fact that nuclear-powered ships from the United States military have been docked at the Port of Vancouver. And the usual protesters make a stink about it every time, all the way back to the '80s. You'll see those signs in various places in B.C. There's one (or there used to be. I haven't been there in decades.) on Hornby Island, on the road up from the ferry dock leading to Denman. But then, it's basically been a Hippie commune since the '60s anyway.
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Hahaha you dumb sjw fucks gonna endorse a tariff on beer
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Lars Blitzer posted:And the usual protesters make a stink about it every time, all the way back to the '80s. You'll see those signs in various places in B.C. There's one (or there used to be. I haven't been there in decades.) on Hornby Island, on the road up from the ferry dock leading to Denman. But then, it's basically been a Hippie commune since the '60s anyway. I don't remember seeing that sign but I'll keep an eye out for it since I'm there most summers anyway. The hippie presence on Hornby is still pretty strong, maybe diminished slightly by tourism, but I wouldn't be surprised at all to see something like that there. Or anywhere in the gulf, come to think of it.
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Cultural Imperial posted:Hahaha you dumb sjw fucks gonna endorse a tariff on beer Hahaha you're a dumber gently caress thinking the provincial government wouldn't have jacked the sin taxes anyway, no matter if it was Notley or Prentice in charge. It's a "Motherhood" issue: stereotypes aside, everyone agrees that beer, wine and spirits are a luxury in Canada.
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If you drink the disgusting piss swill known as "beer", you deserve what you get in life anyways (a fat gut and an empty wallet). Straight Vodka or a finely aged Mead like a respectable adult. 
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The Dark One posted:Yeah, that's why there was all that fuss about a plan to divert untreated sewage into the St Laurence for a week. While dumping a ton of waste into the river is bad, getting rid of that industrial wasteland is good and it's not like the river isn't polluted already. I really wanted to post that old Marx Brothers "Why a duck?" sketch, but could only find a lovely reenactment on youtube. Ah well.
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CLAM DOWN posted:A nuclear powered ship isn't *technically* a nuclear weapon, it's a ship powered by a nuclear reactor driving a steam turbine for propulsion. Well "nuclear weapon" has a pretty well-defined meaning; even a hypothetical laser powered by a nuclear reactor still wouldn't be a nuclear weapon. And it definitely would not include nuclear-powered ships unless they have nuclear weapons on board.
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Here's an unbiased update on the current Wynnanigans, $3.74m in secret payments to unions and getting bigger every day. The nature of net zero negotiations of course means that this money comes from other areas of the already strained education budget. The globe releases info showing the government paid a couple of teacher unions $1m directly. The OLP says that the $1m was to help offset extra costs incurred by the union because of the new negotiating process. The opposition says that's a suspiciously round number, what the heck? OLP education minister says that they don't need receipts, they know what boardrooms and pizza cost. Globe uncovers that the payments to unions go all the way back to 2008, before the new negotiating process, totalling $2.5m this year and $1.24m last two rounds to unions and the rest to school boards. The opposition is pretty pissed because the amount given carte blanche is pretty close to what the unions have donated to OLP and spent advertising against their opponents Wynne now says that the payments haven't gone out yet and of course they require receipts. The opposition calls for auditor general inquiry... which has to be voted on by all parties including the majority OLP. MonsieurChoc posted:While dumping a ton of waste into the river is bad, getting rid of that industrial wasteland is good and it's not like the river isn't polluted already. leftists.txt Rime posted:If you drink the disgusting piss swill known as "beer", you deserve what you get in life anyways (a fat gut and an empty wallet). Straight Vodka or a finely aged Mead like a respectable adult. That is the opposite of respectable adult. That's pony tail having, trenchcoat wearing, holden caulfield acting 10 years later than is appropriate talk. Respectable adults don't care what other people drink.
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Anyone who argues that a nuclear reactor=nuclear weapon is a loving MORON, full stop. However, many nuclear powered vessels carry nuclear weapons, which is why New Zealand won't allow US ships to dock there.
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Psawhn posted:I don't really drink alchohol, but it seems lots of CanPoli Goons talk about it lots, and I came across this article. The gradation sounds like a great idea
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These payments directly to the teachers union are especially frustrating, not only on the face of it, but because these sorts of direct payments work to undermine sympathy the public might have for the teachers and why they are participating in work stoppage/reduction. It takes an issue that should be about working conditions and makes it look like a cash grab. As bad as this makes Wynne look, I think the union comes off looking worse even though (or perhaps especially because) they're the ones getting this cash payment. Union officials need to think more about the optics of these payments before they accept them, and if I were a teacher, I'd be upset to see what looks like my union being bought off.
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jsoh posted:from what that guy said it looks like they are giving that money to the union which then gives it to the party. so its spending public money to campaign, which is al ot worse than the union getting bought i think That's what the opposition is saying but it's obviously impossible to prove. Some money flows in to the union from the OLP and other money flows out to political campaigning. It's annoying but it's not illegal. I think the unions look especially bad to the teachers. Interestingly, one union, the ETFO, the one who is going to be docked pay if they don't call off work to rule, is the only union who hasn't ever accepted any cash from the OLP. Good on them.
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Ikantski posted:That's what the opposition is saying but it's obviously impossible to prove. Some money flows in to the union from the OLP and other money flows out to political campaigning. It's annoying but it's not illegal. I think the unions look especially bad to the teachers. Interestingly, one union, the ETFO, the one who is going to be docked pay if they don't call off work to rule, is the only union who hasn't ever accepted any cash from the OLP. Good on them. Hammond is a moron and ETFO will end up with less than OECTA and OSSTF like last time. Docking the unionized members pay will just to them filing for conciliation and striking 5 days afterwards.
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jm20 posted:Hammond is a moron and ETFO will end up with less than OECTA and OSSTF like last time. Docking the unionized members pay will just to them filing for conciliation and striking 5 days afterwards. What would you do if you were Sam Hammond?
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Ikantski posted:What would you do if you were Sam Hammond? Seppuku, or just accept the same offer as the other teachers. Without unity you have no leverage.
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jm20 posted:Seppuku, or just accept the same offer as the other teachers. Without unity you have no leverage. What's the point of having separate unions then? I thought their big issue was that the large class sizes are a lot harder to manage for elementary teachers than they are for secondary, that makes sense to me? Isn't it ultimately up to the teachers too? Hammond must have a pretty good idea of what they want. His union is 50,000 teachers, I'd think his leverage is fine.
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Ikantski posted:What's the point of having separate unions then? I thought their big issue was that the large class sizes are a lot harder to manage for elementary teachers than they are for secondary, that makes sense to me? Isn't it ultimately up to the teachers too? Hammond must have a pretty good idea of what they want. His union is 50,000 teachers, I'd think his leverage is fine. Keep in mind the class size numbers are 'averages'. You will still see some classes well past the official class size numbers. Especially in the earlier junior grades where students are not as 'focused' its a poo poo show. Kindergarten at least has an ECE now, but having 30 grade 3 or 4 students under a single teacher is a nightmare. You simply cannot provide enough 1 on 1 time to those students that need it. Don't forget they also add in special needs students to regular classrooms now, sometimes without the appropriate staffing to help them succeed. Other issues are being told what work is acceptable for their planning time, and to some extent monetary issues. I don't have any direct information about the ETFO talks so I can't elaborate more, just from my sources. They can strike sure, but a province wide strike from ETFO/OECTA/OSSTF is serious business. An ETFO strike only effects half of the provinces primary/junior students, notwithstanding those private schools and the French boards.
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The unions needs to and should have a real strike, there's no question. All these shenanigans from Wynne are because they've shown they're unwilling to do it. Work to rule isn't enough. They should have done it the first week of back in September.
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RBC posted:The unions needs to and should have a real strike, there's no question. All these shenanigans from Wynne are because they've shown they're unwilling to do it. Work to rule isn't enough. They should have done it the first week of back in September. Problem is teachers unions have lost the war over optics when it comes to striking. Back when they were fighting Harris et al there were a significant number of people on their side, but nowadays the government has been so good at painting them as entitled overpaid spoiled brats who are harming the children when they strike that teachers know if they strike, they lose. And when that happens it gives the government license to make cuts in their next contract since they won.
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jm20 posted:Seppuku, or just accept the same offer as the other teachers. Without unity you have no leverage. Right, except you can't have unity without, you know, unity. If there are major differences in bargaining positions between the different unions (such as the class size issue mentioned above) that one group might be willing to sacrifice for other things but another doesn't, some group within is going to be unhappy about whatever choice is made and made the outward projection of solidarity weaker, which entirely defeats the purpose of doing that to begin with.
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RBC posted:The unions needs to and should have a real strike, there's no question. All these shenanigans from Wynne are because they've shown they're unwilling to do it. Work to rule isn't enough. They should have done it the first week of back in September. Time for an armed revolution imo. I love how Wynne is just blatantly ignoring the advice of the financial accountability officer she appointed in the position she created to prevent bad decisions like this. ‘It’s going,’ Wynne says of Hydro One sale despite watchdog warning quote:Premier Kathleen Wynne is sticking to her plan to sell off Hydro One to bankroll transportation infrastructure despite a damaging report to the legislature from the budget watchdog. Postess with the Mostest fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Oct 29, 2015 |
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Coolwhoami posted:Right, except you can't have unity without, you know, unity. If there are major differences in bargaining positions between the different unions (such as the class size issue mentioned above) that one group might be willing to sacrifice for other things but another doesn't, some group within is going to be unhappy about whatever choice is made and made the outward projection of solidarity weaker, which entirely defeats the purpose of doing that to begin with. There aren't 'major' differences between the deals, feel free to elaborate if you feel like there is. Hammond will end up with a weaker deal like in 2008, he is playing hard ball with Wynne to make up for that probably. Wynne was the MoE in 2008 when she 'negotiated' the deal for the ETFO holdouts which was less than OSSTF and OECTA.
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