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fspades posted:You guys are forgetting one important detail: Paradox Dev Studio won't make an rpg; it's outside their expertise (they tried once with that viking game but weren't satisfied with its progress and scrapped the project). But Paradox published Obsidian's Pillars of Eternity and it was a great financial success for them. And I'm pretty sure Obsidian once mentioned they were seriously considering doing a WoD game and approached WW for it just before CCP bought them. They are setting this up for Obsidian. Chris Avellone Mage game, anyone?
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Onyx Path Publishing @TheOnyxPath 6m6 minutes ago Delighted about our new friends at @PdxInteractive! Can't wait to work with you.
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Oct 29, 2015 16:03
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quote:“We’re targeting people who are 35 or older, typically,” said Wester. “That’s what we have with World of Darkness. People who are at least 25 and older who are looking for something more gritty.” Oh good an rpg company targeting old grognards. Finally!
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Oct 29, 2015 16:41
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Does this mean there's a shot of us getting a new WoD RPG by Obsidian?
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Oct 29, 2015 16:47
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Kiiiinda worried that that the blurb http://www.whitewolf-publishing.com/ basically stops as soon as oWoD does, and none of their press materials even mention nWoD. Really hope it doesn't get thrown under a bus to appease the old grognards who are already asking for nWoD to be scrapped  Not to mention the big header for that page is "One World of Darkness"...
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Oct 29, 2015 17:38
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Prison Warden posted:Oh good an rpg company targeting old grognards. Finally! I think that's a typo, since literally two sentences later he says "25 and older"
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Flavivirus posted:Kiiiinda worried that that the blurb http://www.whitewolf-publishing.com/ basically stops as soon as oWoD does, and none of their press materials even mention nWoD. Really hope it doesn't get thrown under a bus to appease the old grognards who are already asking for nWoD to be scrapped quote:“We’re going to start licensing out the brand again from the beginning,” said Wester. “We’ll start with one World of Darkness. We’ll start, basically, from day one to unite the community under one flag.” This is gonna be.. something.
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Oct 29, 2015 17:42
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But hey! Now the same company owns both Mage and the hit MOBA Magicka: Wizard Wars.
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Oct 29, 2015 17:55
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Wizard Wars is not a MOBA.
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Oct 29, 2015 18:07
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Flavivirus posted:Kiiiinda worried that that the blurb http://www.whitewolf-publishing.com/ basically stops as soon as oWoD does, and none of their press materials even mention nWoD. Really hope it doesn't get thrown under a bus to appease the old grognards who are already asking for nWoD to be scrapped Maybe this is why Beast sounds like an OWOD addition since they knew this was happening and are incompetent.
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Oct 29, 2015 18:08
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Immediately taking a steaming dump on a big portion of their fanbase would be a weird decision for Paradox to take, to say the least. I'd say there's a fairly small chance of nWOD actually getting thrown under the bus. I'd say "no chance", but I have the leering skull of Mike Mearls hovering behind my left shoulder atm
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Oct 29, 2015 18:23
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Lightning Lord posted:Chris Avellone Mage game, anyone? Avellone is no longer with Obsidian, unless something's changed quite recently.
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Oct 29, 2015 18:32
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Every White Wolf-branded video game we get will be set in the old World of Darkness and none will so much as acknowledge that the new one exists. Why? It's because of the Exarchs, dummy!
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Oct 29, 2015 18:34
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Also, Mage is almost uniquely un-video game-able without chucking improvisation and a bunch of spell categories wholesale or an utterly brilliant design team.
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Oct 29, 2015 18:34
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I could do it. Hire me, Blizzard.
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Oct 29, 2015 18:36
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On a side note, they list Madrid's TenebraeCon in the "upcoming events" list at the bottom, and that one's been cancelled for a week already.
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quote:“We’re going to start licensing out the brand again from the beginning,” said Wester. “We’ll start with one World of Darkness. We’ll start, basically, from day one to unite the community under one flag.” This really fills me with nothing but apprehension.
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Oct 29, 2015 19:01
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Cable posted:On a side note, they list Madrid's TenebraeCon in the "upcoming events" list at the bottom, and that one's been cancelled for a week already. I would joke that if it was in the US they could just meet up at a Denny's because I have seriously seen multiple WoD groups there in the less than 10 times I have ever been in a Denny's.
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Oct 29, 2015 19:04
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Stuff like this is very rarely good news for Things-As-They-Are, and I wouldn't be shocked if the licenses were completely revoked and then renegotiated with some kind of bidding process. Which sucks for OPP, and probably for the product itself, but you know. Business.
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Oct 29, 2015 19:04
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Yawgmoth posted:Right, so they have abso-loving-lutely zero understanding of the WoD fanbases. Gotcha. Yeah that's certainly... ominous. Was this something anybody wanted? I get that it's marketing speak. But wasn't one of the most praised decisions of OP allowing both WoDs to co-exist? "Uniting" the fan base is a surefire way to get the fan base to rip itself to shreds.
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Yawgmoth posted:Right, so they have abso-loving-lutely zero understanding of the WoD fanbases. Gotcha. It is possible, perhaps even likely, that Paradox sees the current WoD fanbase as something holding back the brands they've just purchased, rather than something to be catered to. Mendrian posted:Yeah that's certainly... ominous. Was this something anybody wanted? I get that it's marketing speak. But wasn't one of the most praised decisions of OP allowing both WoDs to co-exist? "Uniting" the fan base is a surefire way to get the fan base to rip itself to shreds. It's something Paradox wanted. They own the IP now. The only opinion that demands respect here is theirs.
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Oct 29, 2015 19:05
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It's kind of amazing the hands-off CCP approach was allowed to last as long as it did, but at least it resulted in a lot of good games. They can't unprint them.
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Oct 29, 2015 19:07
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Well...huh. https://twitter.com/Obsidian/status/659784786479738880
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Crion posted:It is possible, perhaps even likely, that Paradox sees the current WoD fanbase as something holding back the brands they've just purchased, rather than something to be catered to.
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Oct 29, 2015 19:26
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Change is baaaaaaaaad.
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Oct 29, 2015 19:28
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As long as my copy of M20 shows up I don't really care what else happens.
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Oct 29, 2015 19:28
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An OPP rep (VonAether, not sure who that is) has said on reddit they don't anticipate any business interruptions. https://www.reddit.com/r/WhiteWolfRPG/comments/3qp530/paradox_buys_white_wolf_including_world_of/cwh7s87 This could mean anything from Paradox is probably not going to do anything to OPP will be dispensed with the second their contracts expire. Really this is all baseless speculation over the whole "one WoD" thing. They also say they "have a deep respect and love for the fans and co-creators of the World of Darkness in all its various incarnations" which holds as much weight. It's quite likely Paradox are simply focusing on VtM in their press release materials because it's far and away the most notable and valuable piece of White Wolf IP. Are Paradox really ready to be the co-owners of Kindred the Embraced though?
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Oct 29, 2015 19:59
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I want to be optimistic. I really want to. I'm just...scared. At least a little buoyed by the fact that Shams Jorjani favorited my tweet to him about treating both lines respectfully, though.
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Oct 29, 2015 20:02
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I just hope I get Wraith 20 before it all goes to poo poo. That would be the perfect capstone to the Wraith "curse."
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Here's your news update for Hour 6 of the Paradox Crisis, Phil Brucato had this to say on facebook: quote:Phil Brucato
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Feeling less bad now.
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this is a terrifying time of fear hope and paranoia... oh god we are in WoD
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Oct 29, 2015 20:10
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I would not be shocked if they want to use the classic WoD stuff for their video game brandings and want that to be "The World of Darkness," which does not mean they could not also publish or support these established other games, possibly under some alternative naming/branding scheme. I mean generally people are playing "Werewolf: The Forsaken" more than they're playing "New WOD," I guess.
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Nessus posted:I would not be shocked if they want to use the classic WoD stuff for their video game brandings and want that to be "The World of Darkness," which does not mean they could not also publish or support these established other games, possibly under some alternative naming/branding scheme. I mean generally people are playing "Werewolf: The Forsaken" more than they're playing "New WOD," I guess. On the other hand, if any publisher is going to give a chance to lesser known game lines, it would be Paradox. Those people thrive at going after niche things.
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Nessus posted:I would not be shocked if they want to use the classic WoD stuff for their video game brandings and want that to be "The World of Darkness," which does not mean they could not also publish or support these established other games, possibly under some alternative naming/branding scheme. I mean generally people are playing "Werewolf: The Forsaken" more than they're playing "New WOD," I guess. Even this doesn't prevent NWoD stuff from being utilized - maybe Requiem becomes an alternate universe in some video game.
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Yawgmoth posted:They can demand respect all they want, but if they poo poo on 100% of their existing (potential) customer base by even implying either of these statements, what they'll find is that they paid a lot of money for the privilege of being the last one at the table. They can certainly try to court both groups and they can try to make system and setting that appeals to two very disparate styles of play, but the odds of them being successful are roughly equal to 5e D&D outselling Pathfinder. 100% of their current existing customer base is a dying cottage industry. As their announcements so far have shown, they're thinking about the White Wolf IP for a much larger, more lucrative audience -- videogame players. The best possible outcome is that they see what OPP is doing as so inconsequential to the brand that they continue to ignore it.
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Crion posted:100% of their current existing customer base is a dying cottage industry. As their announcements so far have shown, they're thinking about the White Wolf IP for a much larger, more lucrative audience -- videogame players. The best possible outcome is that they see what OPP is doing as so inconsequential to the brand that they continue to ignore it. Well apparently the Paradox employees who are going to be involved with managing the White Wolf IP are fans of the tabletop games, and not in the "We're all big fans here" corpspeak sense. OPP makes money because of their business model, and they will be paying Paradox. The WoD tabletop games do not and will not interfere in any way with any video game plans. I really see no reason for anything to dramatically change based on that. They're not Hasbro, who don't even really care about D&D except as a vehicle for video games to be made, and seem to remain deeply ignorant about the realities of the tabletop RPG industry. Lightning Lord fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Oct 29, 2015 |
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Lightning Lord posted:Well apparently the Paradox employees who are going to be involved with managing the White Wolf IP are fans of the tabletop games The new lead Storyteller for the World of Darkness at Paradox is the guy who modeled for the picture of Dracula in V20. He is very much a long-standing fan.
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After twitter talks with Paradox folk, I am gonna be cautiously optimistic. Plus, apparently Obsidian wants to talk to them about White Wolf games now.
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