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Montasque posted:Warm kiss of death, good bye Jeb.
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Shifty Pony posted:The NYTimes article about Rubio's longtime relationship with and advocacy for the interests of a billionaire donor will probably serve as a good starting point. Fits with the "I can't be bought like these other idiots already have been" stuff Trump has done. Yeah, Trump will probably use these issues as an avenue of attack. I think the bigger problem is that Rubio a) is a weaker candidate compared to Trump, b) he comes off more as a plastic politician which is a liability this cycle, and c) he doesn't inspire the base. But as long as a candidate isn't trash (like Jeb or Walker), manufactured media narratives (i.e. propaganda) and countless PAC money attack ads can make a difference, so let's see what happens.
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Oct 29, 2015 17:10
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nachos posted:Jeb is dead Walker is dead early polls matter superpac money doesn't matter the party doesn't decide hail satan It's not that those things don't matter, but that Jeb and Walker are so bad as individual candidates that those advantages weren't enough to save them.
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Oct 29, 2015 17:11
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Half of me expects Jeb! to drop out just because he doesn't want to be sent out onto another debate stage. He's like a gazelle in a herd of hyenas. Remember when he said he wouldn't run unless he could run with joy in his heart? I see terror, confusion, sadness, and resentment, but not a trace of joy.
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Oct 29, 2015 17:15
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Trump shouldn't have backed down on the H-1B Visa issue. It's a total sham program meant to supply large tech companies with foreign indentured servants while allowing them to claim they aren't outsourcing while still depressing wages and firing middle class Americans. Trump should have destroyed Rubio on this, just like on his website.
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Oct 29, 2015 17:16
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memy posted:I can't believe I'm saying this but, I feel bad for jeb Just remember Terry Schaivo and any feelings of pity for JEB!@$@#?! will pass quickly and quietly, unlike Terry Schiavo.
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Oct 29, 2015 17:18
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Oct 29, 2015 17:18
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He should be fair to himself: his entire family and everything they represent are also being rejected by the electorate.
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Oct 29, 2015 17:21
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To me it's pretty obvious that he's not running because he really wanted to. Either that, or he assumed that the nomination was his and he could just sit back and do nothing while still getting it. Regardless, he looks miserable and I'm sure after that performance the donors are going to jump ship.
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Oct 29, 2015 17:22
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Dahbadu posted:Yeah, Trump will probably use these issues as an avenue of attack. For the record, I continue to think that the issue is that the Republican base is split *three*-way (well, four-way, but no one cares about Paul and his libertarians). Into Trumpists, Evangelists and Establishment. And each of the three groups has around the same support. It's a stalemate. The thing I sincerely do not understand and I'd love to know more about is, though - don't the party structures have a say at all? In the Democratic primary, this is a thing - Hillary already has a lot of endorsements, and this is the party saying that they prefer to work with her. And, I mean, can't the party structures indicate that, hey, OK, a lot of people among the voters may support Trump, but we're really not willing to work with him? The whole idea that just anyone, not experienced with working with a party, not endorsed by a party, could register at the last moment as a member and essentially hijack their internal processes.... with hindsight, that's what strikes me as the most weird thing about this whole affair. I feel terribly inexperienced.
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Oct 29, 2015 17:27
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My take is that Jeb is running because he wanted to be president. He's losing (or lost) because the landscape is different, there's a wrecking ball named Trump in the race, and Jeb isn't a very strong candidate based on the dynamics of the race. I actually think that Jeb is busting his rear end, but his best isn't good enough.
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ya did a great jerb, jeb
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Oct 29, 2015 17:30
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Don't lie, you pulled that leftover take straight out of the refrigerator.
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Oct 29, 2015 17:30
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meristem posted:Why is that a problem (and for whom), though? Well, no. When you have three factions, there's a wide viability of candidates who can jump in. Christie and Huckabee are both losers at 3%, but they can stay in for a while and sell books. On the Democratic side, there are really two schools: Leftism and Center-Leftism, which is why there are only two real candidates.
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Oct 29, 2015 17:31
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Oct 29, 2015 17:32
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So far, every debate has forced a republican out of the race. Will it be Jeb this time? That's how we would now that we just entered crazy-town.
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Oct 29, 2015 17:37
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Top Bunk Wanker posted:I'm reasonably convinced Kasich kept wandering off stage during every commercial to do a bump of cocaine. Kasich is a weed man 
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Oct 29, 2015 17:37
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Full Battle Rattle posted:So far, every debate has forced a republican out of the race. Will it be Jeb this time? That's how we would now that we just entered crazy-town. While I'll not disagree that Jeb!'s chances are rapidly dwindling, there's still enough of the bottom-feeders clinging to the bottom rungs that we may see one or more of them shake out before it's his turn to drop. Personally, I'm hoping Jindal bites it next.
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Oct 29, 2015 17:40
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Guys, I'm afraid for Smoothrich. We haven't heard anything from him post-debate. Is he OK?
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Golden Bee posted:Well, no. When you have three factions, there's a wide viability of candidates who can jump in. 
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Oct 29, 2015 17:43
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All the kiddie debate people should drop except Lindsey because I want him on the same stage as Trump at some point
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Oct 29, 2015 17:44
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Oct 29, 2015 17:44
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Lets think about how poo poo Jeb! was at the debate: - For about a week he's been telegraphing that he's going to hit Rubio on missing votes in the Senate - Got nuked for it. - He actually took the fantasy football question seriously, instead of smashing it like Christie did. - Was constantly ignored or talked over by other candidates and the moderators. - In a "do or die" debate only Rand Paul spoke less. Who is running Jeb's campaign? He should fire them immediately.
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Oct 29, 2015 17:45
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Captain_Maclaine posted:While I'll not disagree that Jeb!'s chances are rapidly dwindling, there's still enough of the bottom-feeders clinging to the bottom rungs that we may see one or more of them shake out before it's his turn to drop. Personally, I'm hoping Jindal bites it next. Since we're already in bizarroland - what's to stop any given candidate from just staying in the race indefinitely? If they don't have anything better to go back to, why not keep going on a hope and a prayer and $5? If you're the type of person to run this particular race in the first place, it beats sitting at home and watching this shitshow on TV.
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Oct 29, 2015 17:45
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I've been saying a while that anyone who thinks Bush could pull a come-back was crazy, but even I'm shocked at how terrible he is. I'm not even sure he can make it to Iowa at this point-the money is going to completely dry up and his campaign apparatus is setup on the assumption he has a lot of cash to throw around. Also good Lord were those moderators terrible.
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Oct 29, 2015 17:45
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Lord of Pie posted:Kasich is a weed man Well, you know what they say about gateway drugs.
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Oct 29, 2015 17:48
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Captain_Maclaine posted:While I'll not disagree that Jeb!'s chances are rapidly dwindling, there's still enough of the bottom-feeders clinging to the bottom rungs that we may see one or more of them shake out before it's his turn to drop. Personally, I'm hoping Jindal bites it next. Those sorts of candidates can limp on in a way that I don't think Bush can or even wants to. He's going to have to dial back staff even further and at some point it's just embarrassing and an admission of defeat in itself.
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Oct 29, 2015 17:50
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From Joyful Tortoise to Sad Turtle: The Jeb Bush Story
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Oct 29, 2015 17:51
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Listening to Colin Cowherd right now. He's calling for a Trump channel during debates that just keeps a camera focused on him at all times. I can get behind this.
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Oct 29, 2015 17:53
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Do Not Resuscitate posted:The Atlantic gets some of its own vicious kicks in on the ¡Jeb! campaign. I was listening to the radio this morning, and a POLITICO writer literally called Jeb a "beta". I'd say we're about a week or two away from seeing mainstream media headlines like "Jeb Bush: Cucked out of the race?".
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Boosted_C5 posted:Listening to Colin Cowherd right now. Part of me is surprised Trump doesn't already have his own television channel.
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Oct 29, 2015 17:54
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Former New Hampshire Senator Judd Gregg is endorsing Jeb! Judd Gregg must not have cable.
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Oct 29, 2015 17:54
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Patter Song posted:Former New Hampshire Senator Judd Gregg is endorsing Jeb! Someone has to speculate in penny stocks.
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Oct 29, 2015 17:55
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Oh, and speaking of POLITICO, here's a Fun Flashback: Jeb Bush Is Meaner Than He Looks (July 2015)
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Oct 29, 2015 17:55
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Here's an article talking about something interesting in the debate that got drowned out in the free for all craziness. Only Huckabee went against cutting Medicare/Social Security quote:On Social Security New Jersey Gov. Chis Christie said the only way to keep the program sustainable in the long term was to raise the retirement age for younger workers and end the practice of extending it to all retirees no matter how high their income. "The government has lied to you and stolen from you," Christie said. "Let's tell people the truth." http://www.cbsnews.com/news/gop-debaters-find-a-big-target-in-entitlements/
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Oct 29, 2015 17:58
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DaveWoo posted:I'd say we're about a week or two away from seeing mainstream media headlines like "Jeb Bush: Cucked out of the race?". The republican establishment is getting in bed with a younger, more attractive, higher energy candidate.
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Oct 29, 2015 17:58
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meristem posted:Why is that a problem (and for whom), though? Sounds like we're on the same page. Here's the deal, the word "establishment" gets thrown around a bunch. It's shorthand for a lot of things and a useful term. But be wary of applying it to a vath swath of the electorate, especially in this political landscape where voters are sick of politicians and the mainstream electorate of a party hates its own "establishment." I think it can be argued that Boosted_C5 is typical of a Republican voter in the upper quintiles. He voted for and thought Romney would win. Now he's voting for Trump. The few GOP voters on this forum also seem to be pulling for Trump. Trump is, most importantly, inspiring the most mainstream grassroots support of any Repub candidate -- while leading in the polls and being a known celebrity. Being an Evangelist, for the most part, is *not* about being a humanist. You'll find a good portion of Evangelists that like Trump or maybe consider Trump to be their second pick. What it's going to boil down to is the strength of the candidate. It's pretty obvious that Trump is the strongest candidate. Rubio is going to have to out-alpha Trump. Can he do it, even with a ton of PAC money and politicians backing him? The honest answer is that I don't think it'll be enough, at least in this political landscape.
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Do Not Resuscitate posted:Short of fourteen individual meteors falling from the sky and striking the other fourteen candidates, how can ¡Jeb! possibly win this? His problems don't stem from his policies or his proposals. He doesn't have trouble with money or organizational support. He doesn't have trouble with institutional backing, endorsements, or political pedigree. The Apprentice gets renewed, Trump drops out, endorses Jeb solely on the logic that he already proved he can defeat him and doesn't want to cede in a way that could be misconstrued as him being outperformed
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