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vyelkin posted:Problem is teachers unions have lost the war over optics when it comes to striking. Back when they were fighting Harris et al there were a significant number of people on their side, but nowadays the government has been so good at painting them as entitled overpaid spoiled brats who are harming the children when they strike that teachers know if they strike, they lose. And when that happens it gives the government license to make cuts in their next contract since they won. The importance of optics are overblown. The worst that could happen is they get legislated back to work and go to arbitration. A position eminently preferable to trying to negotiate with someone that is unwilling to negotiate fairly and also already undermining your cause every day.
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Coolwhoami posted:Right, except you can't have unity without, you know, unity. If there are major differences in bargaining positions between the different unions (such as the class size issue mentioned above) that one group might be willing to sacrifice for other things but another doesn't, some group within is going to be unhappy about whatever choice is made and made the outward projection of solidarity weaker, which entirely defeats the purpose of doing that to begin with. It's the unions responsibility to build solidarity between them and I doubt it's difficult to do. Everyone knows the province is playing a divide and conquor game already.
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taxes on alcohol and smokes are loving stupid unless you tax sugar/fast food/whatever as well i got to pay more for beer but the 400 lb guy in my office who has a hundred health problems can buy his 99 cent menu every day Do it ironically fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Oct 29, 2015 |
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Do it ironically posted:taxes on alcohol and smokes are loving stupid unless you tax sugar/fast food/whatever as well They do in Ontario, HST is applied to non essential grocery and prepared food over $4.
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Do it ironically posted:taxes on alcohol and smokes are loving stupid unless you tax sugar/fast food/whatever as well They do here in Ontario. efb
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Oct 29, 2015 16:43
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Cakes are essential grocery items.
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Do it ironically posted:taxes on alcohol and smokes are loving stupid unless you tax sugar/fast food/whatever as well they are not taxing luxuries because luxuries are bad. they are taxed because people are fuckin hooked on them and will buy them even if they cost too much, and daddy needs a new pair of shoes
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Oct 29, 2015 16:52
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Is there a reason (aside from unpopularity) for not introducing a PST in Alberta, especially if oil prices stay low?
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Sales taxes are regressive and an economically depressed province will, generally, have less purchasing power overall. Sales taxes only exacerbates that problem.
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rawrr posted:Is there a reason (aside from unpopularity) for not introducing a PST in Alberta, especially if oil prices stay low? Because a sales tax is regressive.
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vyelkin posted:Problem is teachers unions have lost the war over optics when it comes to striking. Back when they were fighting Harris et al there were a significant number of people on their side, but nowadays the government has been so good at painting them as entitled overpaid spoiled brats who are harming the children when they strike that teachers know if they strike, they lose. And when that happens it gives the government license to make cuts to their next contract since they won. The power of a union is its ability to withhold labour. Strikes aren't a PR campaign. A strike is about putting economic pressure on the employer. Good optics is beneficial because it adds political pressure to the employer and it increases morale of the strikers, but optics isn't the goal of a strike or where the power of a strike comes from. Unions have always been demonized and hated.
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jsoh posted:they are not taxing luxuries because luxuries are bad. they are taxed because people are fuckin hooked on them and will buy them even if they cost too much, and daddy needs a new pair of shoes so why dont we tax lottery winnings then, maybe because youre wrong? and i can assure you that people are addicted to food nobody gets to be morbidly obese just because of their fibromyalgia
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Ikantski posted:Time for an armed revolution imo. I love how Wynne is just blatantly ignoring the advice of the financial accountability officer she appointed in the position she created to prevent bad decisions like this. Last week: Congratulations Justin Trudeau on rescuing us from the leader who ignored qualified advisors and did whatever he wanted This week: gently caress you I'm doing whatever I want 
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Sovy Kurosei posted:Because a sales tax is regressive. But is that the reason Alberta doesn't have a PST? Alberta doesn't strike me as the most progressive place in Canada.
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Duck Rodgers posted:The power of a union is its ability to withhold labour. Strikes aren't a PR campaign. A strike is about putting economic pressure on the employer. Good optics is beneficial because it adds political pressure to the employer and it increases morale of the strikers, but optics isn't the goal of a strike or where the power of a strike comes from. Unions have always been demonized and hated. Ironically a teacher's strike won't necessarily cost the province money. It will save them money in the short term.
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QuantaStarFire posted:But is that the reason Alberta doesn't have a PST? Alberta doesn't strike me as the most progressive place in Canada. A PST is incredibly unpopular. Being the only province to not have a PST is a badge of honour for many Albertans and a bit of a sacred cow.
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Greg Selinger raised PST from 7% to 8% in Manitoba and essentially sealed the MNDP fate in next years election.(He also promised to never raise the PST and that the extra funding would be for our poo poo infrastructure and no one has seen that money yet, while the province runs a huge deficit.)
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QuantaStarFire posted:But is that the reason Alberta doesn't have a PST? Alberta doesn't strike me as the most progressive place in Canada. Yeah but it is conservative and they don't like taxes, generally.
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Do it ironically posted:taxes on alcohol and smokes are loving stupid unless you tax sugar/fast food/whatever as well smart taxation schemes tax all that poo poo but BC wasn't smart enough to keep HST
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Oct 29, 2015 18:10
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The wealth gap is so extreme in Alberta some decent progressive taxation could fund everything in this province easily. Crank the top tier all the way to 90%, lets go full FDR.
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But if executives have to pay more taxes, they'll just leave and execute somewhere else instead of creating jobs.
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If all the highly paid doctors, business men or whatever the gently caress left we wouldn't miss poo poo. There are tons of trained doctors making poo poo pay because no one is hiring their specialty, same goes for lawyers and all other professionals. In business all the skills are in the workers anyways, not the highly paid managers. Those fuckers know they aren't special and wont leave, there are many Canadians itching for their job and they'd do it at a lower pay.
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What was going on in this thread when the BC hst referendum was going on? Which sjw shitheads were advocating against it?
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cowofwar posted:If all the highly paid doctors, business men or whatever the gently caress left we wouldn't miss poo poo. There are tons of trained doctors making poo poo pay because no one is hiring their specialty, same goes for lawyers and all other professionals. In business all the skills are in the workers anyways, not the highly paid managers. the people in the business that are the skilled workers are actually goign to be affected by ~progressive taxation~ and i can already hear their bitching
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drat right. Eliminate corporate tax, massively increase personal income tax for those above the median. Don't like it? Leave. The company that hired you is going to stay though, and will find someone else.
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Jordan7hm posted:drat right. Eliminate corporate tax, massively increase personal income tax for those above the median. So you advocate abolishing tax on the profits of corporations and making that up by massively increasing personal income tax on people making above $30,000?
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Viaduct chat.quote:Vancouver Mayor Gregor Robertson denies B.C. Infrastructure Minister Todd Stone's claims that the city hadn't consulted with the province before voting to remove the viaducts that lead to the downtown core. gently caress the loving Liberals. Juul-Whip fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Oct 29, 2015 |
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Ikantski posted:So you advocate abolishing tax on the profits of corporations and making that up by massively increasing personal income tax on people making above $30,000? Just start at 10% and increase the tax by 10% for each multiple of the median income (M) you go up, up to 110% for income above 10xM.
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THC posted:Viaduct chat. Do they have the actual legal authority to prevent the city from doing it?
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Ikantski posted:So you advocate abolishing tax on the profits of corporations and making that up by massively increasing personal income tax on people making above $30,000? This is the Nordic model
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CLAM DOWN posted:Do they have the actual legal authority to prevent the city from doing it? I doubt it, but they could retaliate by making life hell for us in other ways. They're just pandering to their base of angry suburban motorists
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JawKnee posted:smart taxation schemes tax all that poo poo But at least we get those sweet sweet PST exemptions! We really got our moneys worth. Jordan7hm posted:drat right. Eliminate corporate tax, massively increase personal income tax for those above the median. This only works if you also make changes to stop wages being paid via means that are not as taxable (i.e. capital gains).
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THC posted:I doubt it, but they could retaliate by making life hell for us in other ways. They're just pandering to their base of angry suburban motorists gently caress the loving BC Libs, for real.
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jm20 posted:This is the Nordic model But I want to work extra hard and make lots of money?
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CLAM DOWN posted:gently caress the loving BC Libs, for real. NDP gonna lose again lol~ 
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Jordan7hm posted:drat right. Eliminate corporate tax, massively increase personal income tax for those above the median. This is actually a pretty decent idea, in terms of a palatable way to raise taxes.
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Ikantski posted:But I want to work extra hard and make lots of money? Own a business, or nfp. Tax shelters, game on.
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Ikantski posted:So you advocate abolishing tax on the profits of corporations and making that up by massively increasing personal income tax on people making above $30,000? Median not average. But yes. I am hugely in favour of significantly higher marginal tax rates for top income brackets. Of which I would argue we should have significantly more. Also yes part of this means changing how we tax capital gains, as well as the rules around corporations of one.
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Ikantski posted:Time for an armed revolution imo. I love how Wynne is just blatantly ignoring the advice of the financial accountability officer she appointed in the position she created to prevent bad decisions like this. Why? I mean, what possible ideological reason underlies that plan? Even the Ontario PCs are against it.
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