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Hillary Clintons Thong posted:its already policy for a recruiter to escort a new reservist to his unit within 10 days of enlistment. gently caress going to a drill though, I can't imagine anything more unnecessary and we hold these fuckers hands enough as it is. Some of these people have literally no idea where the reserve unit even is. If they're delayed entry they may not have a driver's license. 
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The Rat posted:I don't have nightmares about the gory, nasty poo poo I saw in Iraq. Nothing about dicks hanging off of Strykers or faces blown off from SVBIEDs like masks. Same. My only nightmares are of being late to formation or just being back in at all. Maybe standing around a connex.
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Kiryen posted:Some of these people have literally no idea where the reserve unit even is. If they're delayed entry they may not have a driver's license. I said it was policy. Not that it was being followed or enforced by the entirety of USAREC. Soo thats something that needs to get worked on between USAR and USAREC because its already a poo poo show anyhow. Recruiters get allocations for slots that the units say they don't have.
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Oct 28, 2015 03:47
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Suntan Boy posted:Proof right here that the army will literally make you retarded. Bet he promoted into the stratosphere, too. Here's how it probably went: XO/1SG: It'd be fuckin' retarded to send this dude to UPL. CPT: Yes, but if we drop him, even though it will not benefit our unit AND it will almost certainly be harder on his family, he'll then track on the BN/BDE "Schools No-Show/Cancellation" list and I'll have to brief a red/amber slide instead of green, and that'll reflect badly on me because my boss is a complete loving retard, and then we'll get tasked with all the poo poo details. So he goes to the school because he was getting paid anyway and this is the price he pays to get orders out of this shithole. If you're pessimistic then the BN/BDE considered none of this and sent them anyway purely because number of UPLs qualified is a great number for the quarterly training brief to the next higher headquarters. The Rat posted:I don't have nightmares about the gory, nasty poo poo I saw in Iraq. Nothing about dicks hanging off of Strykers or faces blown off from SVBIEDs like masks. no joke, had an IRR recall dream last night
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Oct 28, 2015 04:05
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Hillary Clintons Thong posted:I said it was policy. Not that it was being followed or enforced by the entirety of USAREC. Soo thats something that needs to get worked on between USAR and USAREC because its already a poo poo show anyhow. Recruiters get allocations for slots that the units say they don't have. How in the gently caress does this relate to the idea that we're coddling recruits too much already if we escort them to a unit?
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Oct 28, 2015 04:17
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Kiryen posted:How in the gently caress does this relate to the idea that we're coddling recruits too much already if we escort them to a unit? How about balancing it out by brutally hazing them when they arrive at said unit? No butt stuff and no permanent harm but everything else is on the table.
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Oct 28, 2015 04:23
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iKon posted:Here's how it probably went: stop it you're giving me flashbacks to battalion training meetings
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The Rat posted:I don't have nightmares about the gory, nasty poo poo I saw in Iraq. Nothing about dicks hanging off of Strykers or faces blown off from SVBIEDs like masks. Same, actually. Sometimes I'm scared I'm a nutcase because poo poo didn't affect me to the degree it did buddies of mine.
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Oct 28, 2015 04:32
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Kiryen posted:How in the gently caress does this relate to the idea that we're coddling recruits too much already if we escort them to a unit? someone said that recruiters should have the responsibility of taking new recruits to their unit. someone even said take them to drill. I said its already policy to do so, and I think anything beyond "taking them to enlist, taking them to their unit and to get a cac, drive them to the airport" is probably crossing into handholding territory and yeah? you said that obv this isnt happening because people can't find their units? I said its policy not that everyone follows it, and went on a tangent about how usarec and usarc are on totally different pages and I think it would be of benefit to the "make the reserves better' with a better relationship between the two commands i'm confused by what your loving problem is though .
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Oct 28, 2015 05:27
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its kinda funny to get 'stop treating us like small dumb children' and 'we need to treat these guys like small dumb children' echoed across gip. often in the same thread, and often within pages of each other.
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MassivelyBuckNegro posted:its kinda funny to get 'stop treating us like small dumb children' and 'we need to treat these guys like small dumb children' echoed across gip. often in the same thread, and often within pages of each other. Treat recruits like smart children. Guide them on what to do, let them gently caress up, and correct when necessary. Don't leave them in the loving dark about how things go and gently caress them over because they didn't know better.
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Hillary Clintons Thong posted:i'm confused by what your loving problem is though . Maybe it's the fact that you blatantly said that taking a Soldier that hasn't even been to basic yet to his unit is "hand-holding". MassivelyBuckNegro posted:its kinda funny to get 'stop treating us like small dumb children' and 'we need to treat these guys like small dumb children' echoed across gip. often in the same thread, and often within pages of each other. Most of you people are at least E4s, and shouldn't be treated like children; brand new recruits may as well be as far as the Army is concerned and if they're not even 18 yet they legally ARE children. Making sure a brand new recruit can get to his first drill does not men treating people who have been in long enough to know what's going on like children. Kiryen fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Oct 29, 2015 |
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No, I said taking him to drill after you've loving taking him to his unit once already is? After he's completed basic/ait?
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After they've completed basic/ait, they should have enough grasp of the army to figure out to go to their unit. If a soldier ever came and asked me what to do, i directed them to the UA, because I honestly have no loving clue whats going on at the unit on a daily basis. It's not USARECs problem anymore, and it becomes the UNIT and its "Sponsorship" programs issue. I'm all about helping joes out, dont get me wrong, but someone suggesting we take them to their first drill is kinda silly. edit: I think we are both looking at each others arguments the entirely wrong way! This is silly. A. Soldier enlists - USAREC B. Soldier is taken to unit where they inprocess and meet the CO or at least the UA and get their cac cards and all that - USAREC C. Soldier does all the stuff needed to ship - USAREC D. Soldier Ships to basic USAREC => TRADOC E. Soldier comes back from Training Tradoc => USAR/ARNG Thats the current policy. If the soldier didnt pay attention when I literally drove him an hour to his unit, walked him around and explained how to get through the gate and all that, then its really not my problem? CHICKEN SHOES fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Oct 29, 2015 |
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Hillary Clintons Thong posted:No, I said taking him to drill after you've loving taking him to his unit once already is? After he's completed basic/ait? The first time yes, then you tried to backpeddle. Furthermore, if he's been to basic and hasn't been to his unit the first time yes SHOWING HIM HOW THE gently caress TO GET THERE is entirely appropriate so he doesn't fall victim to some shithead there that immediately decides he's a shithead because he got lost or something. This hasn't got anything to do with whatever retarded policy there is between USARC and USAR; it's just common sense. I'm a Major. If I show up late my first day at a new unit and say "I got lost" it will just be "oh, ok, well welcome to the unit". If it's an E2 he'll get a ration of poo poo, probably some pushups, and be marked for a year as "that kid that didn't call his NCO" that he hasn't met yet. Is this hard to understand? Have you never encountered this poo poo?
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Hillary Clintons Thong posted:After they've completed basic/ait, they should have enough grasp of the army to figure out to go to their unit. If a soldier ever came and asked me what to do, i directed them to the UA, because I honestly have no loving clue whats going on at the unit on a daily basis. It's not USARECs problem anymore, and it becomes the UNIT and its "Sponsorship" programs issue. I'm all about helping joes out, dont get me wrong, but someone suggesting we take them to their first drill is kinda silly. If you did all that, then no its not your problem. If however you never had the chance to take him to the unit, or his first drill is before he ships then yes - it's your problem to support the soldier and the unit by getting him there at least once. UA's have a lot to do, and when it's not drill weekend his NCO probably isn't there. MAke sure he gets there and has contact information to his actual NCO. That saves the soldier and the unit a ton of pain.
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You are entirely too loving angry man. I didn't backpeddle, I admitted that some people probably dont' do their job even though its policy? Is that backpeddling or in your perfect loving world do people not get poo poo on. I agree with you in principle man, I hate seeing joes get dicked around for stupid poo poo, but I think the onus is on that unit, ESPECIALLY after AIT. I never told a kid to get hosed and not help him out, but I think you're putting too much on the Recruiter to know every units drill schedule and all that. If I put a kid in a USAR unit 400 miles away beccause he wants to drill out of seattle, do I need to take him there too? Will I get TDY? PROBABLY not. So there is a lot of poo poo that is working against whatever dream world you want. We can discuss this without whatever anger issues you have man. I'm perfectly willing to listen to reason and admit I'm wrong, so ease off?
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As you can see, retardog, there is nothing you can to to make people in the military happy. They will bitch about everything. I'm kidding but really it seems like the realest answer is to enforce the responsibilities USAREC is supposed to have.
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Who loving cares the army is gay suck my dick from the balls I'm out.
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Oct 29, 2015 02:34
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This argument is gayer than 7 guys sucking 8 dicks.
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Kiryen posted:If you did all that, then no its not your problem. If however you never had the chance to take him to the unit, or his first drill is before he ships then yes - it's your problem to support the soldier and the unit by getting him there at least once. UA's have a lot to do, and when it's not drill weekend his NCO probably isn't there. MAke sure he gets there and has contact information to his actual NCO. That saves the soldier and the unit a ton of pain. Right, as part of SOP we get them there, and if the UA is good (i'm never been a USAR member, but I've dealt with enough UAs to know that they're not always good) they provide them that contact info. They of course can report to drill before basic, but its not a requirement anywhere, though I always encouraged my kids to do so if feasible, because hey money and experience. I think the only times kids shipped without going to their unit was if they enlisted and shipped while the unit was on AT or something, and we would try to make sure they still got their first ride there. I have no doubt that this poo poo systemically gets looked over by a lot of usarec, causing the problems you're describing, but honestly a lot of the leadership in usarec looks down upon doing those kind of things because they TAKE AWAY FROM PHONE CALLS. I think this used to be a lot less of an issue when AGR recruiters started PCSing and it really destroyed any recruiting station/reserve unit cohesiveness which si critical in making sure that everyone gets what they want/need out of the relationship, instead of us just filling slots they dont have. Mike-o posted:Who loving cares the army is gay suck my dick from the balls I'm out.
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Kiryen posted:Maybe it's the fact that you blatantly said that taking a Soldier that hasn't even been to basic yet to his unit is "hand-holding". what the gently caress do you mean 'you people'?
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Oct 29, 2015 02:43
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this entire page makes me even more ashamed of the army
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Oct 29, 2015 02:51
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i'm so mad at myself for all the care and typing I have done so now I will smoke a bowl for freedom
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Oct 29, 2015 02:53
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Yeah, nothing is really gonna work when most of the military's idea of "professionalism" is to haze poor old prive and then inform 1SG about how much of a poo poo bag he is because army reasons.
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I thought it was all just stupid stories at first but then my first motor pool had an NCO trying to tell me to take an exhaust sample. Hooah... At least no brooms were involved, I guess.
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Oct 29, 2015 03:10
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It's spelled "pedal." Goddamn.
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Oct 29, 2015 03:56
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Treat the new ones like kids. You don't have to hold their hand every loving step of the way, but it helps to get a guiding hand. For instance, I took a bus (in uniform no less) to my first duty station with no sponsorship, nothing. I knew my unit was on Knox, so what did I do? I travelled to loving Knox. Simple goddamn point. Off of Hometown partying so I didn't have a hand holding me. The CQ desk didn't answer the phone because of something or another, probably manpower since it just stood up, so I sat in a corner with my bags and decided to wait till 6AM, a whole 2 hours away because I knew people had to do a thing called PT and would more than likely be at the office at some point during hat time. A Drill Sergeant saw me, asked me what the gently caress and gave me a ride to base which was an hour from where I was. I don't know why the gently caress he was there but it was pants making GBS threads at the time to have to endure that drive. He dropped me off around the building number I was suppose to report at, and that as it. Simple loving things I learned to do in the Army going to my first unit with no help. It's not that hard They might be scared of loving up They might not know who to call if they have questions or go if there is something FAQ related (GPS coordinates would be a good one). It's your Army though, whatever. I'm supposedly getting my permanent profile and medboard started next week. So I gives a gently caress.
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Soulex posted:*retarded poo poo that should never happen* 
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He's still in lol.
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I am, not for long *knock on wood* More of a point that troops should not be so retarded that they don't know how to figure it out.
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Oct 29, 2015 05:11
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to be real, and especially for new guys, no matter what you do and how you do it you're going to be treated like poo poo.
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holy poo poo who loving cares how privates are treated if they're lucky they aren't spending every waking moment police calling a parking lot, pushing the earth down a couple of inches, or doing 3 AM barracks checks while on cq. they're barely functioning mush brains that have a glimpse of how the army works until they get specialist, and by then the only modus operandi they've developed is how to best sham out of the aforementioned tasks and details
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It's only until they give proper due respect to the sham shield, ducking out of police calls and other tasks that they become true american soldiers.
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It's really pretty amazing how quickly I was treated differently by lower NCOs the moment i pinned on a procedural E4...my faith is strong
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It's similar moving from E5 to 6. I imagine even more so when you go to 7. Ranking up is beneficial since the pool of people wanting to gently caress with you just grows smaller. It has nothing to do with "authority" or "knowledge" The Army is just one big "professional" high school class and SENIORS RULE give the underclassmen swirlies woo
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Fucitol posted:holy poo poo who loving cares how privates are treated Your mom cares. And I treat them like a gentleman.
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Hillary Clintons Thong posted:It's similar moving from E5 to 6. I imagine even more so when you go to 7. Ranking up is beneficial since the pool of people wanting to gently caress with you just grows smaller. It has nothing to do with "authority" or "knowledge" The military is controlled by people who are too institutionalized to survive in the real world, fulfilling their "when I'm in charge..." fantasies, as revenge against the cooler, more laid back peers, who they fail to realize got the gently caress out. It's like Revenge of the Nerds, but if they put the lovely stupid aspects of the Alpha-Betas and Tri-Lambs put in one house.
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Kinda makes sense with the Revenge of the Nerds since there's also a decent amount of rape that happens too.
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Wasabi the J posted:The military is controlled by people who are too institutionalized to survive in the real world, fulfilling their "when I'm in charge..." fantasies, as revenge against the cooler, more laid back peers, who they fail to realize got the gently caress out. Seriously the best thing you can ever do to get back at every rear end in a top hat you ever meet in the military is to get out. Just get out, and every time you even get close to getting mad just think of them still being in.
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