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8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep
Start.ca just released new plans and they're decent. 60/10 400gb for $65 and they offer the CDA3 cable modem which is just a plain modem with no bridging or wireless bullshit.

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infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Nitr0 posted:

Look at all you sheep. Bitching and moaning about the company. When, like normal, you need to be complaining to the government / CRTC. You act like TSI has any control over the rates they are paying to the incumbents. They don't

Look at you calling people sheep for making a purchasing decision based on value rather than ideology. Please, get a life.

Nitr0
Aug 17, 2005

IT'S FREE REAL ESTATE
Boo hoooo I hate all our options oh well better sleep with the devil to get 10mb/s more download speed so I can watch my goat gently caress porn faster

XYZ
Aug 31, 2001

Nitr0 posted:

Boo hoooo I hate all our options oh well better sleep with the devil to get 10mb/s more download speed so I can watch my goat gently caress porn faster

Pretty much, yeah. You seem upset about that.

Nitr0
Aug 17, 2005

IT'S FREE REAL ESTATE
Not so much upset as disappointed.

People claim to care about these issues like the amazing cartel of telecom we have in this country but as soon as it's a little more advantageous it's an immediate forget and dump.

I can understand on price but that's about it. Most people are not going to notice a difference between 50Mb/s down and 100. Half of these poo poo box combo routers can't even do those speeds on wireless anyways.

Methanar
Sep 26, 2013

by the sex ghost

Nitr0 posted:

Not so much upset as disappointed.

People claim to care about these issues like the amazing cartel of telecom we have in this country but as soon as it's a little more advantageous it's an immediate forget and dump.

I can understand on price but that's about it. Most people are not going to notice a difference between 50Mb/s down and 100. Half of these poo poo box combo routers can't even do those speeds on wireless anyways.

I agree with you, but does it really help the 'cause' by staying with an inferior service (even if by no fault of their own)?

If teksavvy's customer base tanks TS can actually present an argument that their business is being destroyed by the insane fees imposed by the big players.

Nitr0
Aug 17, 2005

IT'S FREE REAL ESTATE
I think it helps if Tek keeps the same ideology they've had for years which is to continue to petition the CRTC and push policies that help smaller internet providers to get into the market which ultimately leads to better choices for the consumer.

If they don't care about their business anymore and they stop doing these things then cancel your service and head to someone who does care.

It's going to be very interesting in the next couple of years to see where the CRTC lands on sharing of fibre. This is honestly where Tek needs to make their biggest push and really get involved in the policy decisions.

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.
I just got a letter from Telus noting that I have gone over my data allotment for two months in a row, 20 and 30GB over my 400 on the 50Mb plan. They ask me to consider springing for the unlimited package or stepping up to the next tier.

So, pay $5 for the less than 50GB over or $30 for unlimited? Yeeeeah ok there Telus.

Also the 100Mb plan isn't even available in my area.

Bunch o goofballs.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Nitr0 posted:

Boo hoooo I hate all our options oh well better sleep with the devil to get 10mb/s more download speed so I can watch my goat gently caress porn faster

Lol. Melodramatic much? It's choosing an internet service provider, not a battle for your immortal soul. Teksavvy has had to make a lot of tough decisions lately to keep their business profitable, it's unfortunate but understandable. But there's no obligation to keep paying them for service when the competition is actually providing something better. They're a business, not your friend.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


Meanwhile, I'm going to stick with TSI because what I really want is more upstream, and as far as I can tell no-one, independent or incumbent, offers more than 10Mbps unless I'm willing to double or more what I'm paying. :sigh:

ChubbyThePhat
Dec 22, 2006

Who nico nico needs anyone else
Basically that. I get 100/20 from Telus right now for $22/mo + $30 for unlimited cap. This is only until next Sept though when my deal for moving into a new place runs out. Then it's right back up to $90/mo or whatever the hell they charge.

Mederlock
Jun 23, 2012

You won't recognize Canada when I'm through with it
Grimey Drawer
Are there even any service providers in Edmonton that provide more then 5 mbits upstream for residential users? I'm in the market for anything over 50 mbits down right now, would be willing to pay between 90-120 a month. Getting more then 5 up would be pretty nice

Siochain
May 24, 2005

"can they get rid of any humans who are fans of shitheads like Kanye West, 50 Cent, or any other piece of crap "artist" who thinks they're all that?

And also get rid of anyone who has posted retarded shit on the internet."


ChubbyThePhat posted:

Basically that. I get 100/20 from Telus right now for $22/mo + $30 for unlimited cap. This is only until next Sept though when my deal for moving into a new place runs out. Then it's right back up to $90/mo or whatever the hell they charge.

I'd kill for that. I'm 40/2 for $100 a month, and then $30 for unlimited. I loving hate my ISP (Eastlink). But, the only other option is NorthernTel (aka Bell) DSL at 5/1 for $50 a month.

Gooooooo competition?

Antioch
Apr 18, 2003

Mederlock posted:

Are there even any service providers in Edmonton that provide more then 5 mbits upstream for residential users? I'm in the market for anything over 50 mbits down right now, would be willing to pay between 90-120 a month. Getting more then 5 up would be pretty nice

I got Telus fibre at 100/20. It's pretty nice. Intro price is like $55 a month then it goes to $90 or something.
The winning argument to convince my wife was "I work from home a lot and need to send files".

The download and upload have been consistent so far which is really what I was looking for. I don't know what Shaw did but the last 3 months I was lucky to get 15 down in the evening, generally I was closer to 3-6 down, while paying for a 60/3.

EngineerJoe
Aug 8, 2004
-=whore=-



The only reason I've stuck it out with TSI is for ideological reasons but now that they're traffic shaping and slowing down 'bandwidth hogs' more than the average customer I see no more reason to stick with them. The last part is really what gets me. If someone pays for 400gigs and uses 400 gigs every month, how can they be called anything but a user. Same with unlimited, don't sell a package called unlimited if you're not willing to have a handful of people peg the downstream 24/7.

The Rogers 250mbps package looks really attractive and with no contracts, I could go back to TSI or start.ca if the CRTC ever gets their rear end in gear.

Skandranon
Sep 6, 2008
fucking stupid, dont listen to me
God damnit Rogers, I don't want your stupid bundled crap.

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

Skandranon posted:

God damnit Rogers, I don't want your stupid bundled crap.

New thread title?

Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

:canada:

Skandranon posted:

God damnit Rogers, I don't want your stupid bundled crap.

:agreed: :fuckoff:

Rogers delenda est

Zigmidge
May 12, 2002

Exsqueeze me, why the sour face? I'm here to lemon aid you. Let's juice it.
"I had ideologies but now these circumstances have made my stance inconvenient"


I pay TSI, happily, because they fight for me and us on the bureaucratic level and I just so happen to get internet service out of it as well. If I went to rogers, I'd be giving money to two companies so no, it makes no fiscal sense to switch over. But hey, keep moving your own goalposts. It's canada, nobody cares.

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep

priznat posted:

New thread title?

I'd change it if I could

EngineerJoe posted:

The only reason I've stuck it out with TSI is for ideological reasons but now that they're traffic shaping and slowing down 'bandwidth hogs' more than the average customer I see no more reason to stick with them. The last part is really what gets me. If someone pays for 400gigs and uses 400 gigs every month, how can they be called anything but a user. Same with unlimited, don't sell a package called unlimited if you're not willing to have a handful of people peg the downstream 24/7.

The Rogers 250mbps package looks really attractive and with no contracts, I could go back to TSI or start.ca if the CRTC ever gets their rear end in gear.

Start.ca doesn't touch accounts with a bandwidth cap but they do de-prioritize unlimited accounts if they go over 20GB in a day. For the most part everyone seems happy with that, even the unlimited folk, and I think it's a fair practice.

8ender fucked around with this message at 06:42 on Oct 31, 2015

Migishu
Oct 22, 2005

I'll eat your fucking eyeballs if you're not careful

Grimey Drawer

Zigmidge posted:

It's canada, nobody cares.

THIS should be the new thread title.

First I was pissed that Teksavvy were getting rid of ZTC, but I've only twice gone over my 400mb limit, so it's really no skin off my back. I'd rather give my money to a TPIA than to Robelus.

Plus my connection's paid by work anyway so v:shobon:v

ChubbyThePhat
Dec 22, 2006

Who nico nico needs anyone else

Mederlock posted:

Are there even any service providers in Edmonton that provide more then 5 mbits upstream for residential users? I'm in the market for anything over 50 mbits down right now, would be willing to pay between 90-120 a month. Getting more then 5 up would be pretty nice

Telus is your best bet at 50/10 or 100/20. Both have completely poo poo data caps (~400GB) so you'll likely want to get the unlimited thing on top of it which is another $30. If there is fiber in your area I hear rumors of a 150/50 line coming around?

Antioch posted:

I got Telus fibre at 100/20. It's pretty nice. Intro price is like $55 a month then it goes to $90 or something.
The winning argument to convince my wife was "I work from home a lot and need to send files".

The download and upload have been consistent so far which is really what I was looking for. I don't know what Shaw did but the last 3 months I was lucky to get 15 down in the evening, generally I was closer to 3-6 down, while paying for a 60/3.

It seems there are a couple of us Edmongoons in here :hfive:

Mederlock
Jun 23, 2012

You won't recognize Canada when I'm through with it
Grimey Drawer

ChubbyThePhat posted:

Telus is your best bet at 50/10 or 100/20. Both have completely poo poo data caps (~400GB) so you'll likely want to get the unlimited thing on top of it which is another $30. If there is fiber in your area I hear rumors of a 150/50 line coming around?


It seems there are a couple of us Edmongoons in here :hfive:

Sweet, gonna give Telus a call and see what's available in my apartment. ~93-100 bucks a month for 100/20 with telus is crazy compared to 60/5 with TekSavvy cable for 89 a month. Not to mention that the congestion on the cable line in the primetime evenings is God awful, sends my speeds down to ~5-10 mbps down and 3 up with rampant packet loss and twice the usual latency. Hopefully the wires carrying the DSL are good in my building.

Bieeanshee
Aug 21, 2000

Not keen on keening.


Grimey Drawer
Jesus Christ, I never thought I'd say it, but I think I need to call Bell and see if they can run DSL to this decrepit shack. I've had week-long periods of near-total service outage since September, thanks to unexplained noise on the lines here in London, and I think it's actually managed to get worse. I feel like the loving Nineties are repeating on me.

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.
Telus is now sending me a letter every month because I am either over or close to the limit of my data cap (400GB), telling me I should upgrade plans (I am on the highest available in my area) or pay $30 for unlimited.

I paid $5 extra a couple times because I went over by less than 50GB so I don't know how dumb Telus thinks people are??

They could save the loving paper already, it's getting annoying. 400GB goes fast with all the youtube and netflix the family watches.

cka
May 3, 2004

bell email posted:

As part of our continued effort to bring you amazing home services, we want to let you know that starting in 2016, FibreOP™ will be replaced by Fibe and the services will get even better.

You’ll be offered a comparable Fibe package with exciting new features like Restart, the Fibe TV app and you will also have access to Gigabit Fibe Internet, which includes download speeds of up to 940 Mbps.¹

This is for Ontario. Their "better services" include a $15 price hike across the board on all the bundles, and a default speed decrease from 50/30 to 25/10. I love you too, Bell!

iv46vi
Apr 2, 2010
The big providers have raised their prices/ dropped their caps again just past October. At least in my area Teksavy is considerably cheaper long term looking at non-promo rates than others.

Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

:canada:

cka posted:

This is for Ontario. Their "better services" include a $15 price hike across the board on all the bundles, and a default speed decrease from 50/30 to 25/10. I love you too, Bell!

1984 posted:

It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grammes a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grammes a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it. Parsons swallowed it easily, with the stupidity of an animal. The eyeless creature at the other table swallowed it fanatically, passionately, with a furious desire to track down, denounce, and vaporize anyone who should suggest that last week the ration had been thirty grammes. Syme, too-in some more complex way, involving doublethink, Syme swallowed it. Was he, then, alone in the possession of a memory?

Nationalize the cartel

Rogers delenda est

Chris Knight
Jun 5, 2002

me @ ur posts


Fun Shoe

cka posted:

This is for Ontario. Their "better services" include a $15 price hike across the board on all the bundles, and a default speed decrease from 50/30 to 25/10. I love you too, Bell!

No, no, no, this cannot be possible because competition makes everything better and cheaper!

iLikeMidgets
Jan 3, 2005
insert witty title here
There seems to be alot of knowledge in this thread. Hope I can throw in a question.

I'm looking to get cable internet for my parent's home. They are currently on Teksavvy DSL. They had a bell phone line until recently when they ported their bell phone number to Rogers home phone. Rogers installed their home phone and (I'm assuming) re-wired something. Their internet still works (though only receiving about half the speed). And they are not paying any dry loop fees to anyone.

Will any of this be an issue if I get cable internet from Start.ca? I plan on keeping the Teksavvy DSL until Start.ca cable is up and running.

EngineerJoe
Aug 8, 2004
-=whore=-



Did Rogers connect their modem to the house wiring? You don't really need to do that unless you have wired phones all around the house. I'm not sure if you can put a filter on that connection, but generally DSL filters fix the issues you're describing.

John Capslocke
Jun 5, 2007

iLikeMidgets posted:

There seems to be alot of knowledge in this thread. Hope I can throw in a question.

I'm looking to get cable internet for my parent's home. They are currently on Teksavvy DSL. They had a bell phone line until recently when they ported their bell phone number to Rogers home phone. Rogers installed their home phone and (I'm assuming) re-wired something. Their internet still works (though only receiving about half the speed). And they are not paying any dry loop fees to anyone.

Will any of this be an issue if I get cable internet from Start.ca? I plan on keeping the Teksavvy DSL until Start.ca cable is up and running.

If they're not paying for a dry-loop the port has just fallen back to its un-provisioned speed (usually 3Mbps). If they're CO-fed that speed could stay there forever, if its remote fed it could die at any minute if they need a port. Only way to fix it is start paying for a dry-loop, or resume getting traditional phone service and get another DSL 'install' (either of which will cost your parents $50 installation).

John Capslocke fucked around with this message at 04:34 on Nov 23, 2015

bigmandan
Sep 11, 2001

lol internet
College Slice

37th Chamber posted:

If they're not paying for a dry-loop the port has just fallen back to its un-provisioned speed (usually 3Mbps). If they're CO-fed that speed could stay there forever, if its remote fed it could die at any minute if they need a port. Only way to fix it is start paying for a dry-loop, or resume getting traditional phone service and get another DSL 'install' (either of which will cost your parents $50 installation).

In my experience with GAS services, it always ends up as a re-order whether you go with a dryloop or get phone service back. Depending on how far you are from the CO/Remote (Rate Band) may dictate the cost of the dryloop. It's been awhile since I've seen the numbers, but a soon as you get to rate band D and above, you'll be paying at least an extra ~$15...

John Capslocke
Jun 5, 2007

bigmandan posted:

In my experience with GAS services, it always ends up as a re-order whether you go with a dryloop or get phone service back. Depending on how far you are from the CO/Remote (Rate Band) may dictate the cost of the dryloop. It's been awhile since I've seen the numbers, but a soon as you get to rate band D and above, you'll be paying at least an extra ~$15...

Teksavvy eats the costs dryloops in Ontario, its a flat $5 for every band.

But yes, either option at this point is considered a fresh install, no way around that.

John Capslocke fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Nov 23, 2015

ChubbyThePhat
Dec 22, 2006

Who nico nico needs anyone else

priznat posted:

Telus is now sending me a letter every month because I am either over or close to the limit of my data cap (400GB), telling me I should upgrade plans (I am on the highest available in my area) or pay $30 for unlimited.

I paid $5 extra a couple times because I went over by less than 50GB so I don't know how dumb Telus thinks people are??

They could save the loving paper already, it's getting annoying. 400GB goes fast with all the youtube and netflix the family watches.

I used to fight those off saying I already had the best package and they should probably put a less aggressive cap on an obvious power user. They finally stopped letting me win that so I now pay the $30 for unlimited. Due to this I make drat sure I move 6TB every month; sometimes more.

Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

:canada:

ChubbyThePhat posted:

I move 6TB every month; sometimes more.

:stare:

ChubbyThePhat
Dec 22, 2006

Who nico nico needs anyone else
I'm cheating. I have a box serving up Linux distros, but I pay for it so why the hell not?

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.
There's no way I am paying $30 for unlimited if I just pay the $5 overage fee for what I actually use, they can gently caress off.

Acer Pilot
Feb 17, 2007
put the 'the' in therapist

:dukedog:

It's actually $5 for the first 50gb and you can't bank those for next month. It gets more and more expensive and I don't know if there's an upper limit.

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priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

Acer Pilot posted:

It's actually $5 for the first 50gb and you can't bank those for next month. It gets more and more expensive and I don't know if there's an upper limit.

Yeah I don't go past 50GB over, and each additional 50GB is $10. So if you go 200GB over ($35) then it is cheaper to get unlimited @$30. Otherwise why bother.

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