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Necc0 posted:I should really get around to watching this lol it's loving amazing and is a pro watch
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Logikv9 posted:If the Republicans want to start kicking out all forms of LIBERAL MAINSTREAM MEDIA for their debates, I'm all for it. The further into their echochamber they go the weaker they are for the general I mean serious talk, those were not gotcha questions, it's not the moderators fault that all the candidates are full of poo poo and proposing insane tax plans. Are they planning on boycotting the general election debates too? Whoever wins is going to get shredded in the general if they keep this poo poo up.
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Bob Ojeda posted:Jeb is way stiffer... than Mitt, honestly. Impossible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJJKW7ea1oc
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Joementum posted:As a reminder, the Democratic debate started with this softball: And the republican one started out with "Are you a comic book character?" The equivalent question for the democrats would have been "Are you a flip flops wearing flip flopper like John Kerry?" Alternatively "will you continue to assassinate your opponents such as Vince Foster and ambassador Stevens while in office?"
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Joementum posted:So he "only" has piles of money, the biggest organization, and a bunch of endorsements, but is stiff and unliked by the media? Jeb is just SO BAD at his campaign. If there was a single moment where he looked like a President instead of a buffoon, I'd agree with you. Romney at least had the 'look'.
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hobbesmaster posted:And the republican one started out with "Are you a comic book character?" Yes, but that was to Donald Trump, who is a comic book character. The next question was about the details of a candidate's tax plan and whether a 10% tithe was a good basis for funding a government.
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"Stiff" isn't the right word to describe Jeb, though. Stiff implies a certain hardness and resistance which aren't qualities I'd ascribe to him. I'd rather call him soft of floppy.
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Mrit posted:Jeb is just SO BAD at his campaign. If there was a single moment where he looked like a President instead of a buffoon, I'd agree with you. Romney at least had the 'look'. I don't know, Jeb! looks a lot like a President. Two of them, in fact.
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Three Olives posted:I mean serious talk, those were not gotcha questions, it's not the moderators fault that all the candidates are full of poo poo and proposing insane tax plans. Are they planning on boycotting the general election debates too? Whoever wins is going to get shredded in the general if they keep this poo poo up. Of course not, but anything less than a "Tell us why you are much better than noted liar Hillary Clinton" or "Tell us about how your tax plan will save the middle class?" would have been called unfair or "gotcha". They just want a safe place where they can say their craziest poo poo and have the moderators politely nod and not fact-check. Serious debates would help weed out the crazies from the sane, and the sane would move on to the general. Ridiculously biased debates (or just whining about them) leads to a higher chance that a loving awful candidate will move on, so they can be thoroughly eviscerated by moderators/Hillary.
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Joementum posted:So he "only" has piles of money, the biggest organization, and a bunch of endorsements, but is stiff and unliked by the media? Romney never polled so low, he was always a strong second place. And his unfavorables were at least tied to his favorables in 2011. The endorsement and organization game is still up in the air at this point, and I dont think Jebs campaign looks like a winner to most people
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Luckily 538 does! http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-endorsement-primary/ 538 only tracks currently- serving Congressmen, Senators, and Governors, and assigns them a point value (1 for Congressmen, 5 for Senators, and 10 for Governors). Jeb's list isn't that impressive for an endorsement leader especially since if you take out the dozen Florida Congressmen on the list there's barely anyone relevant left. (Pete Sessions and Orrin Hatch are basically the only national players)
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Joementum posted:Mr. Andrew Lack Literal. loving. Children. "YOU ASKED US HARD QUESTIONS WAAAAAAHHHHHHH  "
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babypolis posted:Romney never polled so low, he was always a strong second place. And his unfavorables were at least tied to his favorables in 2011. The endorsement and organization game is still up in the air at this point, and I dont think Jebs campaign looks like a winner to most people He polled this low in 2008. Remember: my argument is not that Jeb! will necessarily be the nominee.
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Alter Ego posted:Literal. loving. Children. It helps raise money.
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On the other hand it's supremely awesome to see the RNC chair have to defend the very real seriousness of Donald loving Trump
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Joementum posted:So he "only" has piles of money, the biggest organization, and a bunch of endorsements, but is stiff and unliked by the media? Not just the media - nobody seems to like ol' Jeb!. He's polling at worse than Romney ever did. And it's worth noting that most of Jeb!'s "piles of money" rests with the Right to Rise SuperPAC. Which means that if the big money donors funding that SuperPAC decide to cut their losses with Jeb!, and shift that money towards another candidate (or against Hillary) instead, well, there's not a whole lot ol' Jeb! can do about that. Just ask Rick Perry or Scott Walker.
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Question: Who does the "Establishment" hate more... Ted Cruz or Donald Trump?
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Joementum posted:He polled this low in 2008. Remember: my argument is not that Jeb! will necessarily be the nominee. What the heck is your point in comparing him to Mitt Romney, then?
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Jeb is not inevitable, possibly not even the most likely, for the same reasons that Romney was inevitable even at his lowest points in 2011. Jeb has the most endorsements of any Republican, but his endorsements represent a very small number of Republican elected officials. Most have yet to make an endorsement. This contrasts with Romney, who at this point had overwhelming support from the party. Aside from a brief period when Perry was in the lead in mid-2011, Romney had no serious opposition (even the threat Perry really could have posed is questionable), unlike Jeb, who has legitimate alternatives for the establishment GOP in Rubio and Kasich. In addition, Romney had higher favorables and was consistently in the lead in polls of electability. Finally, Romney was handsome and looked like a President: Jeb looks like a dweeb.
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Joementum posted:He polled this low in 2008. Remember: my argument is not that Jeb! will necessarily be the nominee. So you are arguing that he will be at least a strong contender and his campaign will mostly ride this out and survive while the field thins? I can see that happening but I think its gonna be more 3rd place at best instead of 2nd or 1st. And ive never seen the media narrative be so negative against a serious candidate, everyone on the political spectrum agrees on basically calling him a failure that should just hurry up and quit
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Alter Ego posted:Literal. loving. Children. There's a distinction between hard questions, which some people are complaining about, and outright stupid questions like "is this the comic-book version of a presidential campaign?" That doesn't serve to stimulate debate, discussion, or gather information in any way. It's not a good question, and I have no idea why it was asked when there are so, so many more things you can legitimately question Trump on.
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DaveWoo posted:What the heck is your point in comparing him to Mitt Romney, then? Despite poor polling, unlikeability, and unfavorable coverage Mitt Romney used his resources to stay in the race and win a bunch of delegates. Based on the available information, I don't see any reason to think Jeb! is doomed or will drop out imminently. This could be wrong. We don't have all the information, as Scott Walker showed, but from the leaked slides showing $8m in advanced ad spending by the campaign, I'm willing to bet they've got the cash to stick it out through January.
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babypolis posted:So you are arguing that he will be at least a strong contender and his campaign will mostly ride this out and survive while the field thins? Yes, I think that's likely.
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I think people fail to understand Jeb! is equally angry at Trump, and is the only one who can survive with hubris to see the day he crushes Trump beneath his shoe, or bombs spectacularly trying. The Bush family is powerful. Rubio's isn't.
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Joementum posted:Yes, I think that's likely. I can see it happening but I sure as hell wouldnt bet on it
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Patter Song posted:Luckily 538 does! The Florida congressmen are important in a way, though, since his main establishment rival is also from Florida
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Joementum posted:Despite poor polling, unlikeability, and unfavorable coverage Mitt Romney used his resources to stay in the race and win a bunch of delegates. I can agree that Jeb will be around for awhile. And he might even pull out a respectable 3rd-4th place performance once the anti-Hillary ads go out and the base goes into 'Most Electable Republican' mode. But he's just so *bad* at running for president. I don't see him doing much more than that.
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Joementum posted:NBC's troll game is strong. Dunked on by NBC. Just kill yourself now, Prince.
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Nonsense posted:I think people fail to understand Jeb! is equally angry at Trump, and is the only one who can survive beyond hubris, the Bush family is powerful. Rubio's isn't. Rubio has charisma and has shown that he can handle direct attacks on his record and other major weaknesses. Apparently his organizational game is weak but he should be attracting better players at this point.
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Ah, I see your argument now, Joementum. I agree. Jeb is like Romney in 2008.
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Montasque posted:Question: Who does the "Establishment" hate more... Ted Cruz or Donald Trump? Trump. Cruz has weaknesses; they can put him down easily just by starving him of money and support. Trump, on the other hand, is self-financing and running completely scorched-earth--and the idiots love it. They can't touch him, because that makes the idiots love him more. Withdrawing their support won't hurt his bottom line because it won't sway the idiots. They are quite literally WITHOUT recourse when it comes to Trump. He is an amalgam for every negative virtue they have fostered and nurtured for the last eight years--arrogance, racism, sexism, and general unlikability--and because the base thinks that his unfiltered nature is "refreshing" they have nothing. Fritz Coldcockin fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Oct 30, 2015 |
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I don't know. I can kind of now see Jeb just limping through the whole thing. When the dust settles and everyone's dead there is Jeb Bush with four knives sticking out of him and a self inflicted broken leg. He'd really need everyone else to really gently caress up though. His only strength is to take all this punishment.
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Trump should be the first president in history to disavow formal procedures. No VP until after he is elected.
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Joementum posted:Despite poor polling, unlikeability, and unfavorable coverage Mitt Romney used his resources to stay in the race and win a bunch of delegates. Plus his PAC has spent ~$40m on ads that have yet to air. pathetic little tramp posted:
Any site that uses PredictIt as an indicator is stupid. You can only bet $850 maximum per bet and a total of $4,500. The real gamblers don't touch PredictIt.
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