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.5 PRR, guy is looking to trade a WR for an RB My team: QB: Rivers WR: Thomas WR: Landry WR: James Jones RB: Peterson RB: Ingram TE: Green FLEX: Yeldon BN: Marvin Jones, Stevie Johnson, Matthews, Gilmore, Fitzpatrick His: QB: Palmer WR: Allen WR: Cobb WB: Bryant RB: Gurley RB: Gore TE: Eifert FLEX: Bernard/A. Robinson/Woodhead BN: Ginn, Ebron, Taylor Of my three RBs, I'm thinking that Ingram is the one I should move? I would probably want to get back Gio in any deal. Any thoughts on what would be a good trade? e: GIVE: Ingram, J. Jones GET: Allen, Gio ? Teemu Pokemon fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Oct 30, 2015 |
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I know this isn't collusion but hope I am not alone in thinking this is a pretty bad trade. Team A gives: AJ Green Emmanuel Sanders Team B gives: Amari Cooper LeGarrette Blount Brandon LaFell Ameer Abdullah Team A has been struggling a lot this season so I see why he wants to mix it up. But I am not sure trading away his two best players for Cooper + a bunch of question marks is the right way to go. I am just bitter because now Team B has a WR corps of Julio Jones, ODB, AJ Green, and Emmanuel Sanders. Dandy Kaiser posted:.5 PRR, guy is looking to trade a WR for an RB I don't like this trade at all. You don't have the RB depth to lose Ingram and you are giving up another starter in James Jones to get an upgrade at WR. I think this is lateral at best.
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Oct 30, 2015 18:36
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MrSargent posted:I don't like this trade at all. You don't have the RB depth to lose Ingram and you are giving up another starter in James Jones to get an upgrade at WR. I think this is lateral at best. I'm also 2-5 and I don't give a poo poo about depth, I'm just trying to set up the best starting roster ROS and ride it out. But it does seem kinda lateral to me. I'm just not as high on Ingram as I am on Peterson and Yeldon, so I'm thinking I might be better off trading him for a WR upgrade?
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Oct 30, 2015 18:38
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MrSargent posted:I know this isn't collusion but hope I am not alone in thinking this is a pretty bad trade. Team A just thinks getting on the Pats train for the rest of the season is the best play. Is he right? Probably not but I can see why he feels uneasy with those two WRs.
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Oct 30, 2015 18:54
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Dandy Kaiser posted:I'm also 2-5 and I don't give a poo poo about depth, I'm just trying to set up the best starting roster ROS and ride it out. But it does seem kinda lateral to me. I'm just as high on Ingram as I am on Peterson and Yeldon, so I'm thinking I might be better off trading him for a WR upgrade? Personally, of those three RB's I would take Ingram ROS, althought it is close with AP. Honestly, looking at your lineup, it seems like you have a solid team and may just be the team with bad luck/matchups each week. I don't think losing your top RB for a WR that has only scored 5 more points on the year is going to shake up your team. In the end, I am not a big fan of the 1:1 trades because they are usually very small variance moves, unless you are trading a current bench player for someone who would start.
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Oct 30, 2015 18:56
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Boldin and Hyde are GTDs this week. Hope those of you who got on the Rams DST party bus are still on it.
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Oct 30, 2015 19:45
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Before anyone asks there's no viable decent backup in SF, and it will probably be a committee if Hyde is out.
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Oct 30, 2015 20:04
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Oct 30, 2015 20:10
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Ridley has been activated and I'm wondering if I should drop Vereen for him. E: gently caress it, I did it. Matt Zerella fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Oct 30, 2015 |
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Oct 30, 2015 20:24
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Forever_Peace posted:Started a thursday player in your flex. Yeah it hurt but I thought Amendola had a much better chance at a good game than Carlos Hyde (which was my other option). Now watch Hyde have like a 20 point game.
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Oct 30, 2015 20:27
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Dandy Kaiser posted:I'm also 2-5 and I don't give a poo poo about depth, I'm just trying to set up the best starting roster ROS and ride it out. But it does seem kinda lateral to me. I'm just not as high on Ingram as I am on Peterson and Yeldon, so I'm thinking I might be better off trading him for a WR upgrade? Keenan Allen is a big upgrade on James Jones imo. Depending how you feel about Hill and Gio, Ingram to Gio is arguably worth getting Keenan.
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Oct 30, 2015 20:43
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Twelve by Pies posted:Yeah it hurt but I thought Amendola had a much better chance at a good game than Carlos Hyde (which was my other option). Hyde has a stress fracture in his foot and the 49ers are a mess. I dropped him earlier this week.
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Oct 30, 2015 20:47
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RVProfootballer posted:Keenan Allen is a big upgrade on James Jones imo. Depending how you feel about Hill and Gio, Ingram to Gio is arguably worth getting Keenan. That's kinda how I felt at first. IMO Allen is the only stud of the 4 players being traded. I know Ingram is like RB #2 right now, but it all just feels a bit paper tigery to me atm. I feel like between Yeldon/Gio/M. Jones/Stevie, I can cobble together a RB2/Flex that's more than servicable when my QB/RB1/WRs are Rivers/Peterson/Thomas/Allen/Landry. I don't know I'm torn on it, both you and MrSargent make cogent points.
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Oct 30, 2015 21:01
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Twelve by Pies posted:Yeah it hurt but I thought Amendola had a much better chance at a good game than Carlos Hyde (which was my other option). You should start the Thursday player in a RB or WR spot rather than the flex, just on the off chance that if one of your Sunday players gets hurt on Friday, gets an illness, the team bus crashes etc. you have more flexibility to replace him with a WR OR an RB rather than just one or the other.
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Oct 30, 2015 21:03
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coronaball posted:You should start the Thursday player in a RB or WR spot rather than the flex, just on the off chance that if one of your Sunday players gets hurt on Friday, gets an illness, the team bus crashes etc. you have more flexibility to replace him with a WR OR an RB rather than just one or the other. This is the dumbest thing. Why have the software restrict players like that? It should just see if you have the correct number of players allowed per your roster rules.
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Oct 30, 2015 21:16
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Twelve by Pies posted:Yeah it hurt but I thought Amendola had a much better chance at a good game than Carlos Hyde (which was my other option). It's not about the player though - you should never flex anyone on a Thursday night. If Amendola is going to be in your lineup, then it makes more sense to start him as a WR so you have more flexibility on Sunday.
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Oct 30, 2015 21:17
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Dandy Kaiser posted:That's kinda how I felt at first. IMO Allen is the only stud of the 4 players being traded. I know Ingram is like RB #2 right now, but it all just feels a bit paper tigery to me atm. I feel like between Yeldon/Gio/M. Jones/Stevie, I can cobble together a RB2/Flex that's more than servicable when my QB/RB1/WRs are Rivers/Peterson/Thomas/Allen/Landry. I don't know I'm torn on it, both you and MrSargent make cogent points. Let's break it down based on 0.5PPR. Keenan Allen - 116PTS, 16.6AVG Gio Bernard - 75.6PTS, 12.6 AVG TOTAL AVG = 29.2PPG Mark Ingram - 111PTS, 15.9AVG James Jones - 88.9PTS, 14.8AVG TOTAL AVG = 30.7PPG It's pretty close, slightly in Ingram/Jones favor. Obviously this depends on how you feel about them keeping up this production but my main point is that its so close that it isn't "shaking things up" for a team at 2-5.
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MrSargent posted:It's pretty close, slightly in Ingram/Jones favor. Obviously this depends on how you feel about them keeping up this production but my main point is that its so close that it isn't "shaking things up" for a team at 2-5. To be fair, I've already "shaken things up" I was 1-5 with Brady, Moncreif, West, and Cooks on that roster in place of Ingram, Landry, and Thomas (traded Brady+Cooks for Ingram+Landry and West+Moncreif for Thomas) so it's not like I've just been hit with bad luck and need to ride out my guys, I'm actively trying to re-vamp a 1-5 team to try to make a playoff push. The real argument here I guess is if I've successfully done that or if there's still room for improvement? I think that I need a better WR3, personally. I'm just wondering if the downgrade from Ingram to Gio ROS is worth the upgrade from Jones to Allen. My gut says yes, but the numbers say no. Teemu Pokemon fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Oct 30, 2015 |
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Oct 30, 2015 21:33
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Dandy Kaiser posted:To be fair, I've already "shaken things up" I was 1-5 with Brady, Moncreif, West, and Cooks on that roster in place of Ingram, Landry, and Thomas (traded Brady+Cooks for Ingram+Landry and West+Moncreif for Thomas) so it's not like I've just been hit with bad luck and need to ride out my guys, I'm actively trying to re-vamp a 1-5 team to try to make a playoff push. The real argument here I guess is if I've successfully done that or if there's still room for improvement? I think that I need a better WR3, personally. I'm just wondering if the downgrade from Ingram to Gio ROS is worth the upgrade from Jones to Allen. My gut says yes, but the numbers say no. I think you have done a great job revamping the team thus far. I would either stand pat, or trade higher on Ingram. You shouldn't need to send Ingram + another starter for a WR1. I would be looking for a WR1 straight up at this point (Allen may be too expensive since he is a ppr machine).
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Any thoughts on this trade in 10-person standard? Give hopkins for aj green and yeldon. I need an rb as i'm starting lacy and sims with foster out. I have superstars melvin gordon and karlos williams stashed but that's it.
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MrSargent posted:I think you have done a great job revamping the team thus far. I would either stand pat, or trade higher on Ingram. You shouldn't need to send Ingram + another starter for a WR1. I would be looking for a WR1 straight up at this point (Allen may be too expensive since he is a ppr machine). Well, then the argument there is, if I trade Ingram straight up for a WR1, and I can't get Allen, why shouldn't I try to make that trade? if I move Ingram, I'm moving Yeldon to my RB2; and if I don't get a RB back, I'm moving Jones to my flex. Is Jones a better flex play ROS than a Gio/M. Jones/Stevie platoon? What's really the difference? If I can't get Allen, maybe I could get someone like SSS or Marshall or Calvin Johnson etc. Would you rather have: WR: Thomas WR: Landry WR: Allen RB: Peterson RB: Yeldon FLEX: Gio/M. Jones/S. Johnson or WR: Thomas WR: Landry WR: Marshall/Johnson RB: Peterson RB: Yeldon FLEX: James Jones because to me, just on the surface, I'd rather have the former than the latter e: Actually, I have to keep in mind that if I traded for Allen, I would have Rivers, Allen, Johnson, and Green with the Chargers bye still to happen. I have FitzMagic and Gilmore to cover QB and TE, but I think I'm going to need Jones for WR3 that week, so I should probably hang on to him and start Marvin Jones in my flex. Teemu Pokemon fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Oct 30, 2015 |
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Ok, here's a different trade, same team: GIVE: James Jones, Marvin Jones GET: Diggs, Andre Johnson It basically comes down to who is the consensus best WR ROS between JJ and Diggs. This new guy I'm trading with has some shoddy depth (Andre Johnson, Kamar Aiken, Reuben Randle, Nate Washington) so I'm not entirely convinced that MJ doesn't step in and immediately become his WR4 but he's never really going to start for me and AJ80 would pretty much immediately be waiver fodder. I know he won't do Jones for Diggs straight up, so I'm thinking maybe the depth upgrade might get the deal done? Teemu Pokemon fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Oct 30, 2015 |
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Dandy Kaiser posted:e: Actually, I have to keep in mind that if I traded for Allen, I would have Rivers, Allen, Johnson, and Green with the Chargers bye still to happen. I have FitzMagic and Gilmore to cover QB and TE, but I think I'm going to need Jones for WR3 that week, so I should probably hang on to him and start Marvin Jones in my flex. My preference would be to hold onto Ingram and try to trade Yeldon instead, packaging him with a WR to upgrade your WR. There have to be some serious RB needy teams where Yeldon would be a help, especially with Yeldon looking better each of the last 3 games. I just have to think that you would have to pay too much for Allen, and can get some value out of your RBs other than Ingram.
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So, Yahoo just updated Carlos Hyde to out for Sunday with a stress fracture in his foot. But, his info says game time decision. With McCoy and Yeldon on Bye, And Blount playing already, all I have is Hillman. Looks like I'm picking up Reggie Bush, ugh E: and now I catch up and see you guys already discussed a few posts ago, late to the party here Rick Grimes fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Oct 30, 2015 |
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Oct 30, 2015 22:18
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MrSargent posted:especially with Yeldon looking better each of the last 3 games This is what concerns me. I traded away West specifically because I had Yeldon and he's looking more and more each week like he's going to be a difference maker down the stretch.
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I'd start Hillman over Bush, even vs. the packers. Bush is worn out and busted and he is going to split carries with the backups, and also SF can't keep its offense on the field. Normally, Hyde and Boldin are the only somewhat startable 49ers offense players.
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You all do know that Reggie Bush has played in four games this season, finished two, and managed all this on twelve touches? Do not pick up Reggie Bush unless you want to get mad when he limps off the field after three carries and a target at his foot. Edit: though he is coming off 34 yards on three catches and four carries last week!
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Oct 30, 2015 22:26
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Hillman is a decent play. I think he's pulling away with that job.
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Rick Grimes posted:So, Yahoo just updated Carlos Hyde to out for Sunday with a stress fracture in his foot. But, his info says game time decision. With McCoy and Yeldon on Bye, And Blount playing already, all I have is Hillman. He's officially out now
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Oct 30, 2015 22:29
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gently caress it, rolling with Diggs over Decker and Olsen this weekend. Who's with me?
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Oct 30, 2015 22:38
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Twelve by Pies posted:Well, being in second place in my league was fun, but it all ends this week.   Opponent had Brady and Edelman in my money league. We can still do this!
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LmaoTheKid posted:gently caress it, rolling with Diggs over Decker and Olsen this weekend. Who's with me? Ur a psychopath m8 but actually I might keep him at my second spot over J Matthews if clownshoes doesn't soften his hands
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Oct 30, 2015 22:44
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With Hyde officially out, Hillman is my only active RB, start 2. So unfortunately I have to ride the Bush train.
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LmaoTheKid posted:gently caress it, rolling with Diggs over Decker and Olsen this weekend. Who's with me? Don't be dumb, haha. GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:Ur a psychopath m8 but actually I might keep him at my second spot over J Matthews if clownshoes doesn't soften his hands This is the right choice, though.
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Oct 30, 2015 22:59
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I'd rather ride the Michael Bush train. Who is available?
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GUISSEPPE PIZZAPIE posted:Ur a psychopath m8 but actually I might keep him at my second spot over J Matthews if clownshoes doesn't soften his hands JMatt is droppable at this point. I'll do some research tonight and maybe switch back to Decker.
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LmaoTheKid posted:JMatt is droppable at this point. Well, I honestly just think Diggs is due to drop off severely and not sustain his production, but I also haven't watched him or anything. Decker is just a rock solid WR2.
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