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Lurdiak posted:So's film-making in general, you still have to abide by rules or you get a hosed up end result. Canon is a crutch, an anchor. Plenty of good things came out of disregarding canon, nothing good came out of it. The movie, the story, is more important than the minutia.
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MonsieurChoc posted:Canon is a crutch, an anchor. Plenty of good things came out of disregarding canon, nothing good came out of it. You keep saying these things like they're facts, but you're wrong. It's ok though, lots of people have bad views on film-making.
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Lurdiak posted:You keep saying these things like they're facts, but you're wrong. It's ok though, lots of people have bad views on film-making. I keep saying these things because they're true. It seems more and more these days people care about pointless minutia and continuity, without taking the time to actually watch the movie. A good sequel is one where the team liked the first one, and got an idea for a movie out of it. And if it ends up conflicting with the original who cares if it's a good movie?
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MonsieurChoc posted:I keep saying these things because they're true. It seems more and more these days people care about pointless minutia and continuity, without taking the time to actually watch the movie. But then just make your own good movie.
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MonsieurChoc posted:I keep saying these things because they're true. It seems more and more these days people care about pointless minutia and continuity, without taking the time to actually watch the movie. It only matters when it's so jarring it involuntarily takes you out of the story. But uht oh, everyone everyone has a different threshold for that (no matter how much they try to "turn your brain off and and just enjoy it" or whatever you're advocating) so chucking out all intratextual continuity out the window might not always be a great idea? There, I solved this very bad and dumb argument.
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Lurdiak posted:You keep saying these things like they're facts, but you're wrong. It's ok though, lots of people have bad views on film-making. Alien is non-canon. John Hurt gets a bunch of wormy intestine things whipped at his face and then, suddenly, it's some kind of crab. That's a continuity error.
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Why cookie Rocket posted:It only matters when it's so jarring it involuntarily takes you out of the story. But uht oh, everyone everyone has a different threshold for that (no matter how much they try to "turn your brain off and and just enjoy it" or whatever you're advocating) so chucking out all intratextual continuity out the window might not always be a great idea? There, I solved this very bad and dumb argument. Nah, I'm advocating turning on your brain and enjoying it. I think what happens is people don't understand what I'm saying and see it as an attack on them and the way they like stuff. It's not. It's simply to realize that these fictional universes are not real: they're never going to be consistent and ultimately it doesn't matter if they are. All the different EUs are is a bunch of fans (and paid hacks) decided to tell more stories related to one that was great/marked the imagination. Look at Robin Hood: what started as one simple story morphed into a huge saga full of characters that did not originally belong with each other. And there's a ton of contradixctions and continuity errors. But it doesn't matter ebcause Robin Hood is awesome and I can enjoy all these different takes for what they are. Look the Alien "franchise": there's pretty much no canon there, all movies and comics contradict each other. Nothing fits. And it works fine.
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http://www.avclub.com/article/it-might-be-game-over-man-neill-blomkamps-alien-mo-227703 Kinda glad it might be dead. As much as I want to see a Neill Blomkamp Alien movie, I really don't want the whole thing to be about "fixing past mistakes". Go forward. Show me something new.
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Elysium was a dumpster fire and his concept art for it kinda blew but honestly noone else of worth is going to touch this franchise anytime soon so might as well just let him do it. Just hire someone else to do a last minute edit and take out whatever political poo poo he puts in.
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Oct 30, 2015 14:01
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I'm glad, if it comes down to either/or I'd much rather get more Prometheus films directed by Scott than whatever Blomkamp was going to cook up.
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zVxTeflon posted:Elysium was a dumpster fire and his concept art for it kinda blew but honestly noone else of worth is going to touch this franchise anytime soon so might as well just let him do it. Just hire someone else to do a last minute edit and take out whatever political poo poo he puts in. Alien: A franchise completely devoid of political satire.
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Conspiracy theory: Ridley added "Alien" to the title of Prometheus 2 specifically to torpedo Blomkamp's movie.
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Lurdiak posted:You keep saying these things like they're facts, but you're wrong. It's ok though, lots of people have bad views on film-making. No, he's actually entirely correct. There is no point where 'canon' makes a movie better and in fact many movies are improved by disregarding canon. Like straight-up, this isn't an argument. There is no point where "This is thematically appropriate for the story" vs "this is canon" works out better when you pick canon.
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ImpAtom posted:No, he's actually entirely correct. There is no point where 'canon' makes a movie better and in fact many movies are improved by disregarding canon. Like straight-up, this isn't an argument. There is no point where "This is thematically appropriate for the story" vs "this is canon" works out better when you pick canon. In other mediums, I may argue this, but the structure of films in general makes canon possibly more useless there than anywhere else.
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david_a posted:Conspiracy theory: Ridley added "Alien" to the title of Prometheus 2 specifically to torpedo Blomkamp's movie. I guarantee you that "Alien" was appended to Prometheus 2 because Fox desperately wants franchises and so it could have an easier job marketing the thing.
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Timby posted:I guarantee you that "Alien" was appended to Prometheus 2 because Fox desperately wants franchises and so it could have an easier job marketing the thing. Also, that Blomkamp's film has been postponed because a studio doesn't want to compete against itself. "Pending Prometheus 2" means "pending the release and financial success of Prometheus 2", and Blomkamp has clarified that he'll simply be working on other projects in the interim instead of just sitting around - which would obviously create scheduling conflicts to work around.
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Studio: Neil we would like you to helm the new alien film and bring it back to its former glory Blomkamp: that's great and I've got some awesome ideas how to get the film to take place in South Africa and deal with politicdjgngjdisncnc
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Oh no not politics.
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God can you imagine if someone tried to make aliens political? Imagine some god drat sjw jamming "strong female characters" down our throats for an action movie, or a bunch of lefttards putting in tired anti-corporate and anti-military propaganda. Can we keep aliens pure please?
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Well, you know what they say: A conservative is just a liberal who's been attacked by aliens
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Parker: Uh, before we dock, I think we oughta discuss the bonus situation. Brett: Right. Parker: Brett and I, we think we oughta - we deserve full shares, right baby? Brett: Right. You see, Mr. Parker and I feel that the bonus situation has never been on a-an equitable level. Dallas: Well, you get what you're contracted for like everybody else. Brett: Yes, but everybody else, uh, gets more than us. - Alien, 1979, not political in the slightest
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MrMojok posted:Well, you know what they say: A conservative is just a liberal who's been attacked by aliens If you told me this was real I'd absolutely believe it.
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I like that there are 3 Alien films that connect with each other. It adds up to a really potent story. Canon is good.
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Please don't let Ann Coulter watch Aliens. She's not allowed because she's evil and doesn't deserve nice things. This also goes for fake Ann Coulter.
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Lady Naga posted:Parker: Uh, before we dock, I think we oughta discuss the bonus situation. I liked that scene.
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CelticPredator posted:I like that there are 3 Alien films that connect with each other. It adds up to a really potent story. Canon is good. They connect but their connection is not integral. If you watched Aliens without seeing Alien, you would have a great experience. Likewise if you watched Alien without seeing Aliens. If you watched The Hobbit Part 2 without seeing Part 1 you would be fairly confused, and if you watched Parts 1 & 2 but didn't see Part 3 you would feel incredibly blueballed.
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Basebf555 posted:I'm glad, if it comes down to either/or I'd much rather get more Prometheus films directed by Scott than whatever Blomkamp was going to cook up. I couldn't disagree more.
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Lurdiak posted:I couldn't disagree more. Same. Can't help but think Ridley's Alien: Hubris2 is going to be incredibly lovely.
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Lady Naga posted:Parker: Uh, before we dock, I think we oughta discuss the bonus situation. Proof that people have been getting exactly what they asked for, then complaining about the fairness of it, for at least 36 years.
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The best part is Ash's response (prompted by Dallas who cannot control his crew), where he outlines that failure to comply results in "...total forfeiture of shares"
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LOL Blomkamp's alien is canned and we now get Alien: Paradise Lost. Sequel to a lovely lovely movie.
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Tenzarin posted:LOL Blomkamp's alien is canned and we now get Alien: Paradise Lost. Sequel to a lovely lovely movie. In fairness, Blomkamp's films are very rarely good and Prometheus was good.
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Tenzarin posted:LOL Blomkamp's alien is canned and we now get Alien: Paradise Lost. Sequel to a lovely lovely movie.
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Hang on let me get my space flute out.
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How many arguments about Prometheus is this for you, Lieutenant?
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I've actually never seen Prometheus, all my opinions on it are just from simulated viewings.
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Steve2911 posted:In fairness, Blomkamp's films are very rarely good and Prometheus was good. Both are good.
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I did think Chappie got worse as it went on and is the weakest of his movies. It just felt like it passed the point where Chappie or one of the other characters would stop putting up with Ninja's bullshit. Like a sitcom where everything resets to the status quo after each episode except there was still a second half of the movie to go. Still really cool like his other works, I like them all a lot.  Also whether Prometheus 2 is huge or bombs I seriously doubt Blomkamp's Alien is totally dead. They just want to (understandably) not have two separate Alien flicks coming out or being made close together when each will easily do $$$ and warrant their own share of marketing and stuff. Tenzarin posted:Hang on let me get my space flute out. I'm sorry overt references to the mythology we built up around Orpheus, titans, Ymir, etc. were too much for you. Someone plays a flute to summon forth a visage of the world and knowledge and all that, a totally bizarre concept humanity has never thought of before, so weird. Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Nov 3, 2015 |
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I'll be very interested to see how the perception of Prometheus changes(or doesn't) in the next 10-20 years. Right now its just accepted in mainstream media to trash it and make sarcastic comments about it, or throw it out as a known example of a lovely sequel. I wonder if/when that worm will start to turn.
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Eventually after Ridley Scott passes on and the franchise dies down a bit again Fox will drop a blu-ray set with the four Alien flicks and these Prometheii in one package and make it so. Like Alien 3 (though of course thanks to it being available in its substantially different work print) a new appreciation will be found for it. You'll see people here who spent pages and pages talking about how "lol why didn't she just run sideways to avoid the space ship so stupid" praising its Lovecraftian tone and special effects prowess. Fifeld werewolf/gayness will be come absolute canon like how it took the internet decades to "figure out" Nightmare on Elm Street 2: Freddy's Revenge, etc.
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