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Doctor Borris posted:Forty Thousand: the game where ap3 Str 8 are considered trivial to most targets in serious lists. I think that might not be true, actually.
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The Kingfish posted:I think that might not be true, actually. yeah, needs Ignore Cover as well. Seriously though, if he's looking for a DA force, great - but if he's looking to get back into gaming with hes kid, look at the local scene and see what's being played, and consider the non-GW games as well. Renfield fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Oct 30, 2015 |
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VikingSkull posted:Thanks for the words of wisdom so far everyone, but don't worry, I'm not gonna buy IG, lose with them, and then ragequit the game. The IG poo poo I want simply because they look fun to build and paint, and will look great on the shelf. I'll most likely bulk up the DA army if I decide to play actual competitive games. Doctor Borris posted:Forty Thousand: the game where ap3 Str 8 are considered trivial to most targets in serious lists.
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VikingSkull posted:Yeah, the next thing I'm gonna get is the HH set when it's out, along with some scenery and the materials for a 6x4 table in my game room here where my PC is. I'm most likely not going to be gaming at a hobby shop, there really isn't much of a scene in this part of NY, though I'm sure I can find games an hour or less from me. After I get all that set up, then I'll start buying the IG stuff. You can always be a hipster and play Imperial Army. Or DKOK if you're brave. Same models, but more options to do cool poo poo. I mean, who here wouldn't want to model explosive collars on the 'brave volunteers' who are their infantry?
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SRM posted:Only if you're playing chicken little and ranting on the Internet. I'm not the most objective commenter in this thread, historically, however I took some time to gauge out the 40k games in my LGS this week with the new HH set piquing my interest. What I saw was the most stereotypical faction-jumping, new hot formation happy group of powergaming grogs that form the butts of jokes around here. People trading in/selling 5000+ points of Dark Eldar at a massive loss in order to buy into new Tau because they've got an answer for the new SM drop pod/assault formations, and multiple riptides/ghostkeels because they'll counter eldar wraithknights and d-scythes. It was a massive turn-off when I'm hearing things like "I need to find more shots to bring, but I'm really limited to units that can take grav or melta, because nothing else is good". It's a razor thin sample of the overall community, and I could always buy the set and only play with panascope, hixson and stanyer (which I very well may do) however the greater 40k community seems to be gravitating in that direction. What I'm saying is that if you're lucky enough to have a beer-and-pretzels group to play fun games with, you're set, and if not, may your deity of choice save you from the community.
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BULBASAUR posted:You can always be a hipster and play Imperial Army. Or DKOK if you're brave. Same models, but more options to do cool poo poo. DKOK is exactly the IG stuff I was looking at. That WWI motif  Also yeah, I forgot that IG and DA could team up, that's a thing I could do, too. In reality, the main piece of IG kit I want is a Stormblade or Stormsword. Those fuckers, all of the Baneblade variants, really, are beautiful.
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VikingSkull posted:DKOK is exactly the IG stuff I was looking at. That WWI motif Point of fact: Azrael confers a 4++ to any unit he joins, so in an IG blob or with Ogryn, he makes a good deathstar out of them.
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How viable would DA infantry backed up by DKOK heavy weapons and/or armor be? I'm gonna have to read through the Codexes to get a good feel for this stuff, I think. Ugh, why do the books gotta cost so much 
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koreban posted:It's a razor thin sample of the overall community, and I could always buy the set and only play with panascope, hixson and stanyer (which I very well may do) however the greater 40k community seems to be gravitating in that direction. What I'm saying is that if you're lucky enough to have a beer-and-pretzels group to play fun games with, you're set, and if not, may your deity of choice save you from the community. WAAC dudes will always be WAAC dudes, beer and pretzels gamers will always be getting drunk and having fun. VikingSkull posted:How viable would DA infantry backed up by DKOK heavy weapons and/or armor be? I'm gonna have to read through the Codexes to get a good feel for this stuff, I think. Ugh, why do the books gotta cost so much
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VikingSkull posted:How viable would DA infantry backed up by DKOK heavy weapons and/or armor be? I'm gonna have to read through the Codexes to get a good feel for this stuff, I think. Ugh, why do the books gotta cost so much Forget the books, look at the cost of the DKoK models...
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I would 'sample' before you buy. Space Marines backed by IG can be powerful. I have no idea how it works in 40k, but over in heresy land they bring tons of bodies, tanks, and shots for cheap while the marines make up your tough assault element.koreban posted:I'm not the most objective commenter in this thread, historically, however I took some time to gauge out the 40k games in my LGS this week with the new HH set piquing my interest. What I saw was the most stereotypical faction-jumping, new hot formation happy group of powergaming grogs that form the butts of jokes around here. People trading in/selling 5000+ points of Dark Eldar at a massive loss in order to buy into new Tau because they've got an answer for the new SM drop pod/assault formations, and multiple riptides/ghostkeels because they'll counter eldar wraithknights and d-scythes. I'm back in the area full time and Sisko comes up here sometimes. We could totes have 6 players with different armies. Gonna ride this train until GW ruins it too.
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SRM posted:DA infantry will want to be in transports of some kind, either Rhinos, Razorbacks, or Drop Pods. Marines on foot are too slow and short ranged to do a whole lot, and they excel at mobility and close range shooting. Fair point, makes sense. krushgroove posted:Forget the books, look at the cost of the DKoK models... I know, but goddamn, they might be the coolest units in the game. For right now, I'm just gonna concentrate on getting the DV stuff painted up and play a few skirmishes like that. I'll figure out what a serious formation will be at a later date, hopefully I can incorporate some of the DKOK stuff in eventually. I'm gonna get at least some of their stuff just to build and have. Seizure Meat fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Oct 30, 2015 |
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krushgroove posted:Forget the books, look at the cost of the DKoK models...  I finished up my Warboss today, Goldtuf Skullsplitta. This dude was really fun to paint, and I like how the little bits of conversion work turned out.    
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LingcodKilla posted:What city do you live in? Portland Oregon. SRM posted:WAAC dudes will always be WAAC dudes, beer and pretzels gamers will always be getting drunk and having fun. Like I said, razor thin sample of the overall community, though the prevalence of similar stories lately means that it's likely not at all rare. The people that seem the most hyped are the ones that have small groups of close friends to play with, and that's where my best memories of playing came from as well. BULBASAUR posted:I would 'sample' before you buy. Space Marines backed by IG can be powerful. I have no idea how it works in 40k, but over in heresy land they bring tons of bodies, tanks, and shots for cheap while the marines make up your tough assault element. 
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VikingSkull posted:I know, but goddamn, they might be the coolest units in the game.
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cross posting from the death thread.Helen Highwater posted:I teach and have taught a lot of people to paint, unlearning drybrushing is usually the first step in the Helen Highwater Painting Improvement Programme. It's a terrible technique for anything that isn't strongly textured such as fur or for deliberately messy effects such as dirt. Highlighting can be faster once you have the knack and is almost always better becasue it's more controllable, smoother and doesn't need to be tidied up afterwards. People who drybrush smooth surfaces like armour make me sad. Here here! every time I join an escalation league, I push the hell out of getting players armies painted. Its usually when I start a new army or theme. In February my local GW had a escalation league that started at 500 points and went up by 250 points every two weeks. I painted up a KoS army in that time, with about 60 boyz, 15 bikes, Ork warboss on bike, 5 trukks, battlewagon, and two deff dreads. because of adding units and items that were higher then 250 points, I wound up painting about 2000 points or so of Orks. the total run time of the league was 10 weeks, I finished the Orks in about four weeks, so I decided to start an Imp guard army. I bought the models in secret from my redshirt, and in the remaining six weeks I painted up eighty guardsman, a russ and a chimera, 10 bullgryns, command squad, converted 27 chaos cultists to be my engineer detachment (special and heavy weapon teams) and made a special character. (stand in for the master of ordinance.) My guard are a defensive force so I also painted up an Imperial bunker, a defense emplacement, a defense line, and a vengeance weapon batteries. (two emplacements.) I used this new second army for the last league game. I always strive for clean, clear colors, and everything is just base, shade, and highlight. I don't dry-brush, or use inks or washes. (they slow me down too much waiting for them to dry.) I then try and have speed painting lessons every other weekend when people ask me how the hell I crank out models that fast. I don't do this constantly by the way, I paint like this two or three times a year in bursts. Reubenesque Sandwich fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Oct 30, 2015 |
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koreban posted:I'm not the most objective commenter in this thread, historically, however I took some time to gauge out the 40k games in my LGS this week with the new HH set piquing my interest. What I saw was the most stereotypical faction-jumping, new hot formation happy group of powergaming grogs that form the butts of jokes around here. People trading in/selling 5000+ points of Dark Eldar at a massive loss in order to buy into new Tau because they've got an answer for the new SM drop pod/assault formations, and multiple riptides/ghostkeels because they'll counter eldar wraithknights and d-scythes. Come play 30k with us my lord.
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koreban posted:Portland Oregon. I'll be moving to somewhere between Bremerton and Gig Harbor this summer. High on my list is a quansa style hut to turn into my ham cave. I just hope I find people close to me to play with. So lonely.
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LingcodKilla posted:I'll be moving to somewhere between Bremerton and Gig Harbor this summer. High on my list is a quansa style hut to turn into my ham cave. panascope is going to be like 2-2.5 hours from you. It's just far enough to be annoying for a day trip, but just close enough to be able to make into a day trip. e: from experience, it'd totally be worth it. If I get in on 30k, it'll def. be totes worth it for the space jammin and warmaster callouts. panascope posted:Come play 30k with us my lord. Waiting on 30k box to drop. I have to read up on legion rules, but I'll figure something out.
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You should play dark angels. For starters all of us except stanyer69 play traitors. It'll be good to have another traitor player. Also marines who wear skirts are always welcome for brother on brother action.
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LingcodKilla posted:I'll be moving to somewhere between Bremerton and Gig Harbor this summer. High on my list is a quansa style hut to turn into my ham cave. That's pretty isolated, but the Pac NW is wonderful for gaming. I'm up in Bellingham, but there are pocket communities that all travel to game with one another all over. Check out ordofanaticus.com . It's pretty much the hub for a loose coalition of gaming clubs in the region. There's also a great event-not-a-tournament put on every summer called the Ordo Fanaticus Club Challenge. When you coming out? EDIT: I should clarify. I live in a pocket community where I don't have to play against jerks, and everyone is pretty chill. From what I understand some stores or areas have a fairly lousy competitive vibe, but there's enough good folk in the region that it's not too hard to find decent human beings to play. Germ fucked around with this message at 02:44 on Oct 31, 2015 |
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I'm visiting right before thanksgiving and coming back during spring break to start shopping in earnest. My house is getting on the market in April/May so we can close by mid June. I'll have a retarded amount of cash to buy a house at that point so closing will be much quicker for us. Hopefully be moving in mid July so the kiddos can start school. Making new ham friends might be a bit tough due to my advance age and lack of enthusiasm for the mega fast pace of the current system. Still, this poo poo is my jam.
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Germ posted:That's pretty isolated, but the Pac NW is wonderful for gaming. I'm up in Bellingham, but there are pocket communities that all travel to game with one another all over. Check out ordofanaticus.com . It's pretty much the hub for a loose coalition of gaming clubs in the region. There's also a great event-not-a-tournament put on every summer called the Ordo Fanaticus Club Challenge. I played with a group of Ordo Fanaticus plauers in Portland proper at one point and they seemed like a pretty decent group of people. If I had more time I'd probably try to play with them more frequently, but alas having a newborn tends to eat into ones hobby time.
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Pendent posted:I played with a group of Ordo Fanaticus plauers in Portland proper at one point and they seemed like a pretty decent group of people. If I had more time I'd probably try to play with them more frequently, but alas having a newborn tends to eat into ones hobby time. Yeah just give up actually playing for about three years or so. Painting will be tough enough. Lost my paint studio/office to my twins.
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LingcodKilla posted:I'm visiting right before thanksgiving and coming back during spring break to start shopping in earnest. My house is getting on the market in April/May so we can close by mid June. Being old won't hurt you a bit. With GWs price hikes, old hams are going to be the only hams left. Let me know when you get closer to moving out and we can try and arrange a summertime Ham Jam. Pendent posted:If I had more time I'd probably try to play with them more frequently, but alas having a newborn tends to eat into ones hobby time. I got so much painting done when my little ones were first born, when they're sleeping like 18 hours a day. Couldn't get an actual game in, but painted a lot.
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Germ posted:Being old won't hurt you a bit. With GWs price hikes, old hams are going to be the only hams left. Let me know when you get closer to moving out and we can try and arrange a summertime Ham Jam. I almost had a heart attack when my 5yr old accidently grabbed my cutting blade from the wrong end when curious about it. Got lucky no cut.Now I block my whole work space with my gaming table on its side.
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SRM posted:Only if you're playing chicken little and ranting on the Internet. Uh.... no. Battle Tanks, Basillisks, and Manticores are objectively useless without allying in heavy psyker support to get them ignore cover. Otherwise the marines you are invariably shooting at will have a 4++ save, the wraith knight will have a better chance of saving than being hit, you don't have enough strength to outright destroy any vehicle (not even including Wave Serpent or skimmers in this). Unless your opponent is a moron and runs out of cover, or is being nice to you and letting you kill something. A strength 8 AP 3 large blast ordance shot is pretty damned useless. Which is actually thematic now that I think about it. Also I played guard for 7 years and have played 40K since 3rd Ed. So I'm not just talking out of my rear end. Edit: I was trying to steer two people towards marines if they are inclined to play the game. That way they have a chance of actually feeling like they are playing a game if they decide to continue in to this. Also an army with the highest resale value if they burn out. Sir Teabag fucked around with this message at 04:54 on Oct 31, 2015 |
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Cross-post from the Oath Thread. I'm really excited about the Eldar Corsair re-do, as I started working on a Void Dragon Corsair list several months ago. I hope the army is such that I can still use what I've painted, and don't have to ally Eldar and Dark Eldar to get the vibe I'm after. Here are some shots of the Wave Serpent. I had intended to use an airbrush on it, but I didn’t make it past basecoating the charcoal color before I caved in and painted the rest by hand. It was super fun to paint – all those smooth curves and big flat areas were perfect for practicing thin layers and trying to smooth my blending.   Everything is magnetized, with the option of switching between the underslung shuriken cannon or the shuriken catapults.  Here is another min-sized squad of jetbikes. I’m varying the red stripes between squads to make them easier to tell apart on the battlefield.  
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Yo Germ, I'm also moving up to the Seattle area sometime around January. It would be nice to ham slam sometime. I only have 30k stuff though, so feel free to bring your well painted wave serpents and BBQ my marines. What color is your dress, anyway?Sir Teabag posted:Uh.... no. Battle Tanks, Basillisks, and Manticores are objectively useless without allying in heavy psyker support to get them ignore cover. I feel this way more about demolisher cannons than ordinance barrage weapons. It's really the worst of both worlds since it has short range and doesn't have barrage. I hadn't used artillery in years until our first two campaign games. I brought a single basilisk and it did some work. The bonus to armor penetration helped me get lots of pens to strip away hull points and barrage keeps the number of cover saves down greatly. I don't know how you're getting 4++ saves unless it lands right infront of a defense line. Jink saves are pretty bullshit against artillery though. We gave demolisher cannons -1 to cover saves which should make them a bit more attractive to take, but I wouldn't mind most ordinance weapons getting a perk like that. On the flip side there's the Typhon: S10 AP1 ordinance ignores cover massive blast. That thing is very mean.
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BULBASAUR posted:Yo Germ, I'm also moving up to the Seattle area sometime around January. It would be nice to ham slam sometime. I only have 30k stuff though, so feel free to bring your well painted wave serpents and BBQ my marines. What color is your dress, anyway? Cheers! It's like Muppets take Manhatten but with goons in the Pac NW. With the advent of the 30k plastics I reckon it won't be long until I have a proper 30k army, but even if not, I've got kinder armies than the Eldar (whose dresses mostly sparkle).
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BULBASAUR posted:I feel this way more about demolisher cannons than ordinance barrage weapons. It's really the worst of both worlds since it has short range and doesn't have barrage. Maybe something like Siege Weapon These weapons are instrumental in prosecuting attacks against fixed positions and are renowned for turning even the most formidable fortification into so much rubble and dust. Units that are hit by a weapon with this rule must re-roll any successful cover saves taken against wounds caused by it.
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adamantium|wang posted:Maybe something like Only if you give tyranids and orks a rule that let's them treat cover saves as invul saves? Maybe not the TMCs...
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40k is perfectly balanced. It is just that the armies are tiered. Here is my 5 page dissertation:
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gently caress I dunno. Maybe make it so you can always have a 6+ cover save? Even if it gets hit with -#. People should always get to roll their dice, even if it's low probability.adamantium|wang posted:Maybe something like I thought about something like that, but it steps on the toes of units like the Thanatar which has the same rule. I like the idea of -1 or -2 because it's less powerful and lets you stack it with barrage or plasma wave type rules. D6 sucks. -1 to cover on demolisher cannons? Nice perk. -2? loving powerful
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How's the eldar Harlequins in game? Once i'm done with my Ad-mech, i'd very much like to paint something that isn't red and that i can conveniently ally in with my ad-mech. Plus i really, really adore both the Solitaire and Shadowseer models. 
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panascope posted:Whoever came up with the Dreadclaw and Drop Pod designs should be put to death. Starship trooper style drop pods but with rhinos would have been awesome.
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