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The Lone Badger posted:Edit: A more complete suit of armour is 30kg at 1.5mm
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This is an ad from March 15, 1862 in Harper's Weekly: quote:The Soldier's Bullet Proof Vest has been repeatedly and thoroughly tested with Pistol Bullets at 10 paces, Rifle Bullets at 40 rods, by many Army Officers, and is approved and worn by them. And this is a broadside advertising them after the Union occupation of coastal North Carolina:  quote:We beg leave to say to the officers and soldiers of the Expedition, that after some delay we have received another invoice of those Monitor, or Bullet Proof Vests, which we are selling at our stand, opposite the Post Office, and as it is impossible for us to visit all the various Camps, please call and examine, or order, with measure of breast and waist, which will insure a good fit. We shall be here only a week or two longer, therefore it is for the interest of all who may wish to purchase to call immediately.
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Oct 31, 2015 00:45
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Nenonen posted:Speaking of personal armour designed to defeat rifle bullets supposedly at 10 paces Oddly enough, I believe that's exactly what they had been planning to do, but escaped hostages blew the lid on their original plan. (BTW - how does a Finn come across something that seems (as an Australian) something of little interest to non-Australians?)
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Oct 31, 2015 02:32
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This is probably best directed at EE, but was there ever any discussion or explanation for why WW2 and early cold war Soviet armor design seemed to so disregard gun depression? Was it just not considered a useful feature? Did they ever address this point at all that you've seen?
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Oct 31, 2015 02:53
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Elissimpark posted:Oddly enough, I believe that's exactly what they had been planning to do, but escaped hostages blew the lid on their original plan. Not a Finn, but here's a hint: It's an armored tincat suit that can block bullets, was actually used in a firefight, and actually worked. It's the kind of poo poo you can't avoid running into eventually on the internet.
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Oct 31, 2015 02:54
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my dad posted:Not a Finn, but here's a hint: It's an armored tincat suit that can block bullets, was actually used in a firefight, and actually worked. It's the kind of poo poo you can't avoid running into eventually on the internet. Good point. The cultural stuff that goes with Ned Kelly and the iconic status of the armour (I've probably seen 2 or 3 "Such is life" car stickers in 10 minutes of driving today) kinda hides the fact that some dudes in homemade armour getting into a shoot out with the cops is a pretty cool story!
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Oct 31, 2015 04:06
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Elissimpark posted:Oddly enough, I believe that's exactly what they had been planning to do, but escaped hostages blew the lid on their original plan. There isn't any finnish history
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Oct 31, 2015 04:08
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My T-64 effort post is currently at 3102 words, and I haven't even gotten to the T-64B yet  And here I am considering doing big effort posts for the T-72 and T-80 too 
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Baracula posted:There isn't any finnish history They can borrow Swedish and Russian history if they want.
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Oct 31, 2015 04:38
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Baracula posted:There isn't any finnish history Seriously, though, what is Finnish history about? Some time before the written word, the Finns drive out the local Sami population (or their forebears/whatever) and figure out how to make Vodka, and then in the late 1990s you have Nokia cell phones?
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Oct 31, 2015 05:30
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Winter war and continuation war. They had a civil war as well I think?
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Oct 31, 2015 05:33
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Grand Prize Winner posted:Seriously, though, what is Finnish history about? Something Something SAMPO! Something Something Simo Hayha
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Oct 31, 2015 05:43
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Is the sauna before or after vodka?
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Oct 31, 2015 06:24
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Xerxes17 posted:My T-64 effort post is currently at 3102 words, and I haven't even gotten to the T-64B yet I could kiss you. French you if you did a post on T-55.
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Oct 31, 2015 06:28
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Elissimpark posted:Is the sauna before or after vodka? Contemporaneous. Finnish vodka is drippings from the interior of a sauna.
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JcDent posted:I could kiss you. French you if you did a post on T-55. T-55 and T-62 will be after the these three.
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Xerxes17 posted:My T-64 effort post is currently at 3102 words, and I haven't even gotten to the T-64B yet Hurry up!!!
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Oct 31, 2015 06:56
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FAUXTON posted:Contemporaneous. Finnish vodka is drippings from the interior of a sauna. 
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Oct 31, 2015 07:54
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Xerxes17 posted:My T-64 effort post is currently at 3102 words, and I haven't even gotten to the T-64B yet I've been sitting for two weeks on half a post in the Polish-Soviet war series and I still don't know if it will actually end up being half a post or maybe (like most of my writing) the whole thing will balloon so much it ends up being a quarter at best. I feel for you, man.
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Oct 31, 2015 09:59
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A lot of Scandinavian food is horrifying - lutefisk, that fermented shark thing, etc. Maybe vikings were motivated by a desire to escape their sci-fi badguy cuisine. I haven't heard much about Finns raiding europe; is your food better or at least less scary?
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Oct 31, 2015 10:00
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Grand Prize Winner posted:A lot of Scandinavian food is horrifying - lutefisk, that fermented shark thing, etc. Maybe vikings were motivated by a desire to escape their sci-fi badguy cuisine. I haven't heard much about Finns raiding europe; is your food better or at least less scary?
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Oct 31, 2015 10:18
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Elissimpark posted:(BTW - how does a Finn come across something that seems (as an Australian) something of little interest to non-Australians?) As mentioned, it is a curiosity big enough that people know about it, there's even a movie about Kelly which is more than you can say about Simo Häyhä (but one is supposed to be screened in 2017). Also, I've been to Australia and have read a bit of its history, Ned Kelly is a super star compared to some of the other stuff I know. Like the poisoning of Phar Lap. gently caress, I even have a John Quick shirt, and I'm not even fully sure why John Quick was important! As for Finnish history, it's mostly about being a battlefield for Swedes and Russians, until when in 1809 Swedes said 'eh, gently caress this' and took over Norway as a consolation. After that mostly peaceful development of national identity as an autonomous grandduchy only disturbed by the Crimean war (which we here correctly call the Åland war), then WW1 and revolution in Russia resulted in independence and civil war. Other than that, constant famines and occasional peasant uprisings. And on Finnish cuisine, see 'constant famines'. People would bake bread out of pine bark flour to fill their stomachs in the long cold winters. We don't really have the most nuanced tastes.
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all i know about you is that during the 30yw the swedes victimized you and you were one of the Light Cav Ethnicities (since nobody in Western Europe believed you could actually train anyone to be a good light cav trooper, they just recruited/forced certain ethnic groups to do it) also i lost my wallet in finland once god drat you
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Oct 31, 2015 10:31
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Nenonen posted:As mentioned, it is a curiosity big enough that people know about it, there's even a movie about Kelly which is more than you can say about Simo Häyhä (but one is supposed to be screened in 2017). Also, I've been to Australia and have read a bit of its history, Ned Kelly is a super star compared to some of the other stuff I know. Like the poisoning of Phar Lap. gently caress, I even have a John Quick shirt, and I'm not even fully sure why John Quick was important! gently caress, I hadn't heard of John Quick until now (turns out he was a major advocate for federation?) so thanks for that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYGdLcFJm6k
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Oct 31, 2015 10:33
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my dad posted:It's an armored tincat suit
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Oct 31, 2015 10:37
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I think it's a typo for tin can.
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I want an armored cat. Nenonen posted:As mentioned, it is a curiosity big enough that people know about it, there's even a movie about Kelly which is more than you can say about Simo Häyhä (but one is supposed to be screened in 2017). Also, I've been to Australia and have read a bit of its history, Ned Kelly is a super star compared to some of the other stuff I know. Like the poisoning of Phar Lap. gently caress, I even have a John Quick shirt, and I'm not even fully sure why John Quick was important! Yeah, it's not like Ned Kelly is that obscure, compared to Australia in general. Hell, the armor thing cropped up in In Her Magisty's Name LP (and the game itself).
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In like Zinn posted:Blood pancake is a favourite in school dinners, tar is a flavourant, salt of ammoniac is considered a candy. There's a reason even the vikings thought the finns to be weird and scary forest-wizards. Seriously, was "escape from Finland" a motivation for Finnish mercenaries? Seems like it would be, given the whole pine dust as flour thing.
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Grand Prize Winner posted:Seriously, was "escape from Finland" a motivation for Finnish mercenaries? Seems like it would be, given the whole pine dust as flour thing. The greatest treasure brought back from 30-YW was potato. And when Finnish Guard Battalion returned from the 1877-78 Russo-Turkish war, they brought another potato. I'm not making this up.
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Nenonen posted:The greatest treasure brought back from 30-YW was potato. I know this isnt what you mean but i envision a literal single physical potato. Baked.
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Mazz posted:This is probably best directed at EE, but was there ever any discussion or explanation for why WW2 and early cold war Soviet armor design seemed to so disregard gun depression? Was it just not considered a useful feature? Did they ever address this point at all that you've seen? My guess, you dont need it on the offensive and its tricky to do while keeping your profile low?
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feedmegin posted:My guess, you dont need it on the offensive
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How would the Finnish mercenaries get horses? I can't imagine them being rich enough to afford the sort of horse you'd need to be good light cavalry.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:There is some kind of neat crop yield/storage analysis modeling that can get you to approximate populations and you can use some decent scale factors for army sizes based on approximate populations. Another useful thing is to find the battlefields and dig them up. Based on how much rusted metal parts you find, you're able to determine the approximate size of the combating forces. (Everything not metal or made from pottery is less useful for this, since it's quite often rotten away by the point someone digs up the battlefield. Metal and pottery are always useful, thanks to how long that stuff keeps.) the JJ posted:Yup. Execute 7 generals for winning a battle. Great job! Attractive and totally wrong. What Athens had was a precursor to what we understand democracy to be today. You can't call something "extreme" democracy if it isn't even really democratic. The process Athens used excluded huge parts of the population, for example. Describing the weird slave-owning dual-monarchy of Sparta as "fascism" is likewise problematic. But I don't know that much about fascism in any detail, so I could be wrong there! Molentik posted:A new Hardcore History was just uploaded! This time about the Persians & Assyrians and poo poo. I love hearing about Assyrians! They're just so cartoonishly evil.  Also WWI was finished with episode 6. If you don't have that one yet, I suggest downloading it before it starts to cost money.
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Nenonen posted:As mentioned, it is a curiosity big enough that people know about it, there's even a movie about Kelly which is more than you can say about Simo Häyhä (but one is supposed to be screened in 2017). Also, I've been to Australia and have read a bit of its history, Ned Kelly is a super star compared to some of the other stuff I know. Like the poisoning of Phar Lap. gently caress, I even have a John Quick shirt, and I'm not even fully sure why John Quick was important! JcDent posted:Yeah, it's not like Ned Kelly is that obscure, compared to Australia in general. Hell, the armor thing cropped up in In Her Magisty's Name LP (and the game itself). (Also, mentioning Donald Bradman could have completed the triad of Australian cultural touchstones.)
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Mazz posted:This is probably best directed at EE, but was there ever any discussion or explanation for why WW2 and early cold war Soviet armor design seemed to so disregard gun depression? Was it just not considered a useful feature? Did they ever address this point at all that you've seen? I've seen it claimed several times (in western media) that Soviet tank design stressed utility in the offensive, since post-war Soviet strategy was an immediate massive attack whenever faced with invasion. Depression of the main gun requires the trunnion to be higher in the turret, making the turret larger and heavier, and increasing the silhouette of the tank. The Soviets chose not to do this, because they didn't plan to be making a fighting retreat from prepared positions, like NATO. They planned to be driving forward until the threat was neutralized. Warning: Very anecdotal.
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Hazzard posted:How would the Finnish mercenaries get horses? I can't imagine them being rich enough to afford the sort of horse you'd need to be good light cavalry. light cav horses are small, cheap, and hardy, the expensive ones are for important people (wallenstein owned thousands of them and kept a very good stud on his estates) or the really heavy cav. the swedes had a chronic problem of not being able to field the really good cav, which meant the fully armored pistol dudes on certain distinctive breeds of horse. (you know how 17th century paintings show everyone on fat horses and then the horses get suddenly thinner around the 18th century? that's not just an art fad, it's breeders wanting different things out of a horse. the fat horses are realistic)
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the JJ posted:Yup. Execute 7 generals for winning a battle. Great job! Warfare can be argued as a system that is really hurt by an excess of democracy between Athens voting for demagogues to lead armies and executing unpopular but efficient generals and Republican Rome dropping the Fabian strategy and voting for Minucius leadership which led to the massacre that was Cannae. Of course a single incompetent leader trying to do all by himself and refusing help is equally catastrophic.
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MrYenko posted:I've seen it claimed several times (in western media) that Soviet tank design stressed utility in the offensive, since post-war Soviet strategy was an immediate massive attack whenever faced with invasion. Depression of the main gun requires the trunnion to be higher in the turret, making the turret larger and heavier, and increasing the silhouette of the tank. The Soviets chose not to do this, because they didn't plan to be making a fighting retreat from prepared positions, like NATO. They planned to be driving forward until the threat was neutralized. Another thing was that from I think the T-72 onwards they had a small bulldozer blade attached as standard. This could be used to dig a makeshift firing position in half an hour for the tank. So if they were to be doing that fighting retreat over hilltops, they could if they had a little time to prepare.
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