|
Hellioning posted:Yes, I get the joke, but why is it that common? Cover all your romantic bases with the target audience.
|
# ? Aug 20, 2015 19:33 |
|
|
# ? May 31, 2024 11:14 |
|
Hellioning posted:You know, that's like the third love interest I can think of in an otome game that's younger than the protag and named 'shota'. Because the Japanese love them their puns. Mikl posted:Oh MY GOD, Haruhi's so cute Nice avatar + post combo. Also, very true, she is adorable.
|
# ? Aug 20, 2015 20:56 |
|
To be honest, for both GS games so far I haven't really been feeling the love interests, but the assortment of friends have all been nice. I wonder if in the world of TM, all men everywhere have a fatal case of Boring.
|
# ? Aug 21, 2015 02:47 |
|
BlitzBlast posted:I wonder if in the world of TM, all men everywhere have a fatal case of Boring.
|
# ? Aug 21, 2015 03:07 |
|
BlitzBlast posted:I wonder if in the world of TM, all men everywhere have a fatal case of Boring. My rebuttal: Adlai Stevenson posted:I liked Jun. He may be reserved but I'm sure a proper dialogue tree with him would be interesting. I'm pretty fond of the friend characters in Tokimemo 4, so I'm gonna try and hurry the pace up until we make it to those lovable slackers. vibratingsheep fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Aug 21, 2015 |
# ? Aug 21, 2015 03:08 |
|
I liked Jun. He may be reserved but I'm sure a proper dialogue tree with him would be interesting. I'm a dude but the dudes in these dude-watchin' games seem mostly like dudes I wouldn't want to watch. Or be friends with, except maybe maybe Harry.
|
# ? Aug 21, 2015 03:12 |
|
vibratingsheep posted:My rebuttal:
|
# ? Aug 22, 2015 07:02 |
|
The funny thing about this run is that the best part has been getting to know Haruhi and Harry and getting them together. Tokimeki Memorial Girls Side 2: Wingwoman Edition. I'd say the guys in GS3 are more interesting, mainly because they have many more events and interactions that develop.
|
# ? Aug 23, 2015 20:12 |
|
Does anyone get a kind of "axe murderer" vibe from the new kid? Just me?
|
# ? Aug 24, 2015 23:15 |
|
Glazius posted:Does anyone get a kind of "axe murderer" vibe from the new kid? Just me? More of a Pierce Brosnan in "Don't Talk to Strangers" vibe, but they're along the same lines.
|
# ? Aug 25, 2015 01:48 |
|
never forgetvibratingsheep posted:
|
# ? Sep 11, 2015 09:41 |
|
I'd be down for more streams of weird japanese games.
|
# ? Sep 11, 2015 10:17 |
|
Many apologies for letting this die. As today is Goon's birthday (and mine), I want to let you guys know that I plan on putting up a post tomorrow and starting up the series again. It's been a very tough seven months, and my apologies. I'm trying to put this back in my regular rotation as a way to force myself to do something creative again.
|
# ? Oct 27, 2015 05:57 |
|
I'm sorry to hear about how tough it's been, and also really happy to hear this is coming back.
|
# ? Oct 27, 2015 06:47 |
|
No apologies needed but I'm delighted that you're back.
|
# ? Oct 27, 2015 07:32 |
|
Welcome back, Sheep. Sorry you've had a rough time.
|
# ? Oct 27, 2015 08:50 |
|
Glad you're back, Sheep, hope it gets better.
|
# ? Oct 27, 2015 09:22 |
|
Lookin' forward to it, bub! No hard feelin's, everybody needs a break.
|
# ? Oct 27, 2015 09:29 |
|
I personally blame Tokimeki Memorial 3
|
# ? Oct 27, 2015 16:10 |
|
That goes without saying, really.
|
# ? Oct 27, 2015 16:14 |
|
Tokimemo Girl's Side 2, Chapter 13: You, you got what I need It's been a while since this thread was active, so let's summarize what Siren has been doing for the first year:
Teru's affection is currently at Friendly, while Harry's is at Neutral even though his heart is a little bit bigger. This will be important later. Alright, ready to get back into this? Good. Away we go! 5/3: Stand-up comedy with Harry Harry: I can't wait! Harry: You just can't beat a live show! Listen to that crowd! This is a generic line, but it's still weird to think about it being said as a stand-up act is about to start. Siren: That show was the best! Harry: Oh man, my sides hurt, I laughed so much! Harry: I'm glad we came out to this. Siren: (Yay! I made a great impression!) 5/5: Going to the mall with Harry Harry: So, where are we heading? Siren: How about... Harry: There? Alright, let's get moving! Harry: Hey, this one's nice! Harry: Don't you think this would be perfect on you? Option 1: Really? It's not my normal look, but I'll try it! Option 2: Hmm, I dunno... Option 3: Uhhh, I'll pass. This is another of those generic responses - you'll note that this is almost exactly the same as the responses to Masaki in the mall last chapter. The only difference is context, really Siren: Really? It's not my normal look, but I'll try it! Harry: You have a pretty good eye for these things. Harry: Well, I'm the one who picked it out, so of course it will look good on you. Siren: (Yay! I made a great impression!) Harry: I know, I get it, it's really fun to hang out with you. Harry: Let's do this again some time. Harry: I'll walk you home. Harry: Let me at least do that much for you, okay? Siren: Thanks for coming out all this way. Harry: Nah, you don't need to thank me for this. Harry: Get some sleep. Siren: (Harry walked me home...) 5/8: The search for the third chord Harry: Whew. (applause from the class) Siren: That's a wonderful song! Harry: Right? It's one of my best for sure! Harry: It gets a good reaction when we put it in our sets. Harry: But... I can count on one hand the number of times I've been happy with my performance. Harry: I wish I could sing this well all the time... Harry: Well, whatever. You're all heading home, right? Siren: Yeah. What about you, Harry? Harry: I still have some stuff to take care of. Go on without me. Siren: Okay. See you tomorrow. Siren: (Oh crap, I forgot something at school.) Siren: (I guess I should go back and get it instead of leaving it there) Siren: (Harry said that he had something to take care of. I wonder what he's up to?) Siren: (Ah, there he is.) Harry: I should probably just start over... Harry: Nah. Harry: But this just never sounds right. Harry: C, G... Harry: ... Siren: (Good luck in there, Harry.) Yes, this is a lot of Harry packed into a very short period of time. 5/15: Haruhi's birthday Siren: Tomorrow is Haruhi-chan's birthday! Siren: I should get her a present. Siren: But what? Option 1: The Big Book of Sweets Option 2: Anthology of World Classics Option 3: How To Slim Down Those Thighs This game continues its tradition of including horrifically insulting presents. I mean, wow. Who would do that to a friend who's overly conscious of her weight? Anyway, The Big Book of Sweets is the clear choice. Haruhi: Hiyadoin', Ren? What's goin' on, ya need me for somethin'? Siren: Happy birthday! Quick, open up your present! Haruhi: Whoa, ya mean it? Ya really mean it? Awesome! Haruhi: Ren... Ren, you're the best gal evah! Haruhi: Thanks! 6/1: I really wish you could draw on his face Siren: (Alright, I have this whole place to myself - where should I sit?) Siren: (Now, where is the best spot for me to eat lunch...) Siren: (Hmm? Someone got here before me?) Siren: (Saeki-kun?!) It was Shota in the courtyard with the candlestick, I'm calling it now. Siren: Saeki-kun? Siren: (He's fast asleep... wait!) Siren: (This is my chance to pay him back for making fun of me all the time!) Teru: ... Siren: (He's totally unguarded right now. He looks so peaceful.) Siren: (Maybe... cute, even.) That doesn't stop Siren from messing with him. That's our girl. Teru: Mmmmm... nnnghh... Siren: (He usually looks like he's in such a bad mood. Probably because he's busy all the time.) Siren: (Maybe I should let him rest.) Siren: Have a nice nap, Saeki-kun? Teru: ...What time is it? Siren: Lunch is almost over. The next period should start pretty soon. Teru: Oh crap, I forgot the horseradish and the brown sugar. Siren: Huh? Teru: Three dozen wafers, and a jersey. How many dozen gym shoes, again...? Siren: Saeki-kun, are you awake? Teru: Oh crap! Lunch is over?! Siren: Uh, yeah. Teru: I have lab next! Teru: Before I go. Do I have bedhead? Siren: I guess it's fine? Teru: Is it fine or is it not? Siren: It's fine! Teru: You took too long! (thwap!) Siren: Ow! Hey! Siren: I take back anything I said about him being cute... I missed it the first time around, but on video review, Teru has the slightest bit of a smirk as he runs off at the end of this scene. It's very blink-and-you'll-miss-it. 6/3: More hanging out with Harry There is nothing new about this conversation, but I just need to point out Harry's shirt. I want one of those. Gee, I wonder if Harry will like the rock band. Really, nothing important happens here, it's the same as before. What's important is that it happened. 6/9: The sports festival Hell no, I'm not going to do these mini-games again. Not on a an emulated touch screen. Siren: (It's time for the folk dance!) Siren: (My next partner is... Harry.) Harry: You should take advantage of your chance to dance with me! Harry: Burn it into your memory! Siren: (And next is... Saeki-kun.) Teru: Oh, it's you. Teru: Try not to step on my feet. Siren: (Same to you!) Siren: (Next is Wakaoji-sensei.) Wakaoji: The folk dance is my one chance to look good. Please help me out. 6/12: Finally, more Haruhi Haruhi: Hmm? Hiyadoin', Ren? Ya headin' home? Haruhi: Who'da thunk it, I am too! Siren: Wanna get a snack on the way back? Haruhi: That's a great idea! We'll get a drink and gossip our heads off! Haruhi: Let's get movin'! Siren: Say, Haruhi-chan... Haruhi: Yeah? Siren: What kind of boy is your type? Haruhi: Ahaha, whatcha talkin' about? Haruhi: Boys are so flaky and dumb, I never thought about 'em that way! Siren: Never? Not even once? Haruhi: Th, that ain't somethin' I can do! I ain't no good at it! Haruhi: Plus, I don't think the boys see me as a girl either. Haruhi: They treat me like one of the guys. Siren: (Could it be that I've found the one thing she doesn't like to talk about?) 6/29: Walking with Wakaoji Wakaoji: Midterms are right around the corner. Are you doing well in your studies? Siren: Uhh, I guess I'm doing alright. Wakaoji: "Alright" is not good enough. You need to study harder. Siren: Y, yes sir! Wakaoji: ..... Siren: (What's going on? This isn't like him, and it's kind of scary.) Wakaoji: So, how would you grade my use of "not good enough" and "study harder". Wakaoji: Did they make me sound like a real teacher? Siren: They were certainly a surprise! 7/3-7/7: Midterms 1st place: Hikami Itaru 3rd place: Fudou Siren 11th place: Saeki Teru 13th place: Onoda Chiyomi 231st: Nishimoto Haruhi 292nd: Hariya Kounoshin Siren: Good, all of that studying paid off! Siren: Hey, Harry. Harry: For someone who makes a big show of not being very good at school... Harry: I mean, look at those scores. Harry: But that's amazing. You did great. 7/9: Harry and the Orangutan Harry: Ugh... that orangutan's been staring at us this whole time. Option 1: You think he's curious about us? Option 2: I think he's scared of you, Harry. Option 3: Let's stare right back. It doesn't even matter what is correct or not. Siren: Let's stare right back. Harry: Yeah, we'll give it right back to him. Harry: We'll see who's the strongest here! Let's do it! Siren: (That went pretty well.) 7/9: And you say he's just a friend All of these dates in a row with Harry carry inevitable consequences. Time to face the music! Haruhi: Hiyadoin', Ren? Siren: What's up, Haruhi-chan? Haruhi: Since we're here, wanna stop at the cafe? Siren: I do! Let's get moving! Haruhi: And then, I just couldn't help myself! I had ta say it! Haruhi: "Whatchoo talkin' 'bout?" Siren: Hahaha, I somehow knew you'd say that. Haruhi: Hmm? Hey, Ren, your lipstick looks messy. Haruhi: I got some on me you can use. Just dig around my backpack, you'll find it. Haruhi: Oh, while you do that, I need ta call home and let 'em know I'll be home late. Haruhi: Gimme a sec! Siren: (Let's see, where does she keep her lipstick? She has a makeup kit, right?) Siren: (Oops, something fell out...) Siren: (Wait, is this a picture of Harry?) Siren is probably the only character in this story who is surprised at this development. Haruhi: !!!! Siren: Oh. Haruhi-chan. Umm...! Haruhi: !!!! Siren: Umm. I didn't mean to peek. I'm really sorry. Haruhi: It ain't whatcha think! Siren: What? Haruhi: I don't like him or anythin'! Haruhi: I really mean that! Option 1: I think you two make a great couple, though. Option 2: (Does this mean we're rivals?) Thankfully, Girl's Side 2 allows you to head off drama at the pass - it costs you a lot of numerical affection with the boy, but it dodges Rival mode and keeps the boy at the same affection ranking, even if the number goes way down. Siren: I think you two make a great couple, though. Haruhi: Huh? Siren: You know, you and Harry. Haruhi: Y, ya really think so? Siren: Yeah. Haruhi: Oh. If ya go and say that... that's great! Siren: R, right? Haruhi: Ahahaha! Sorry, Ren! I was misunderstandin' things the whole time! Whew. Siren: (This is the first time I've ever seen her like this.) And just like that, Haruhi and Siren come to a swift and amicable understanding. Hurray! 7/19: Teru's birthday Gift 1: Glass flower vase Gift 2: CD of classic guitar Gift 3: Kaiju pajamas The flower vase is the best option here. The kaiju PJs are sorely tempting, though. Teru: Ren. You really need to stop talking to me at school. Teru: It draws way too much attention. Siren: Happy birthday! I got you a present. Teru: Oh, so that's what this is all about. Teru: Sorry. And thanks. Siren: So, open it up! Teru: This is nice... Teru: Yeah, it's really nice. Teru: You get me pretty well, don't you? 7/22: The weirdest of field trips Wakaoji: So, raise your hand if you brought your swimsuit! Students: Whaaaaat? Siren: Sensei, you didn't tell us we were going to the beach today... Wakaoji: Correct, I did not. Wakaoji: So, no one brought their swimsuit? Wakaoji: Good, that is a load off my mind. Wakaoji: That means no one will go swimming. Wakaoji: Alright, everyone, split up and explore! Wakaoji: Okay, everyone, gather up again! Wakaoji: When you think of the ocean, you think of teen dramas. Wakaoji: So, why don't you shout like you're in one? Option 1: drat YOU, OCEAN! Option 2: I'M GOING TO WORK HARD! Option 3: drat YOU, SENSEI! Cursing impotently at the ocean is a staple of Japanese fiction dating back to the Edo period, where it appeared in a comedic haiku (yes, those exist; I didn't realize it until tonight either). It entered modern pop culture in the '70s thanks to teen dramas that starred Morita Kensaku, who, amusingly enough, is now the governor of Chiba prefecture. Siren: drat YOU, OCEAN! Wakaoji: You really put a lot into that "drat you". It was like watching a real-life teen drama! Siren: (Yay! I made a great impression!) Siren: I learned a lot on this field trip! Wakaoji: Yes, very well done. Wakaoji: As your teacher, I really enjoy learning alongside all of you. Wakaoji: Now, everyone, please give a round of applause for today's top student! Wakaoji: Thank you. Wakaoji: Alright, that's it for today. I'll see you all at school. I usually don't translate this part anymore since the dialogue hasn't changed in a year and a half, but it's just so surreal in context that I have to include it. Wakaoji brings his students out to the beach, tells them to scream their frustrations into the uncaring ocean, and then praises the person who yelled the loudest. What, exactly, did Siren learn? 8/1: This summer just keeps getting weirder (cell phone chime) Teru: Hi, it's me. Siren: Hi, Saeki-kun. Teru: Hey, you're not doing anything today, are you? Teru: The weather's great, the ocean is beautiful, want to come out to the beach? Siren: I should probably be suspicious, but that does sound like a good idea! Teru: Great. Then we're settled. Don't forget your swimsuit! Siren: I won't! What else would I wear to the beach? Let's... let's just ignore what happened last week at the field trip, it's probably for the best. Teru: And just in case, I want to make sure you don't do something stupid like wear your school swimsuit out here. Teru: Then again, that might just work these days... Siren: Huh? Teru: Whatever, just get over here. The beach is gonna get really crowded soon. Teru: I'll wait for you at Sangosho. Siren: Sangosho? See you there! Siren: Let's see, I bought the wafers, stuffed olives, bean sprouts, and soba noodles you asked for! Teru: Good work! There's an order of Tropical Yakisoba up, so bring that over to table 3. Siren: Wait, did you really invite me out there to help out at the cafe? Teru: Don't think. Work. We can talk after that. Teru: After you change into your swimsuit and put on the apron, get out on the floor. Siren: Do I really have to do this in my swimsuit? That's just embarrassing. Teru: It's not embarrassing at all. Think about how good it is for business. Siren: Saeki-kun, you're a dirty old man and a tricky old devil! Teru: Say what you want, just take care of that Tropical Yakisoba soon. Siren: .... Female customer: Young man! Come over this way! :heart: Teru: Yes ma'am, I'll be right there! Teru: Hey. Don't forget that Tropical Yakisoba! Siren: Okay, okay! Siren: (I give up.) 8/5: Fireworks like normal people. Kind of. In my head-canon, the normally surly Teru agrees to the next two date as a peace offering, since Siren keeps giving him crap about wasting a day of her summer vacation dishing out noodles in her skivvies. Teru: We got here a little early. Let's check out the Ennichi festival! Teru: Whoa, they have candy apples. Maybe I should get one... Siren: Hahaha, Saeki-kun, you look like a little kid right now. Teru: And what's wrong with that? Siren: Nothing, really. Go ahead. Teru: You know, the candy apple diet is really popular right now. Siren: Really?! Teru: No. Siren: Geez! Teru: Hey, did that firework just now look... Teru: Did it kinda look like a smushed rice ball to you? Option 1: Isn't that supposed to be a heart? Option 2: That mold is called a "katamono". Option 3: Huh? You mean it wasn't actually a rice ball? As per usual Teru protocol, the proper answer is the most trollish answer possible. Siren: Huh? You mean it wasn't actually a rice ball? Teru: No, it's a heart. Wow, you really took that seriously? Hahaha! Siren: (Nice!) 8/12: Just having a friend couldn't be no crime Teru: Huh. So this is a hanging garden. I think I get the point now. Option 1: It's like an aerial paradise! Option 2: It's a 360-degree aerial panorama! Option 3: You know, this isn't actually hanging. Siren: Technically, this isn't hanging. Teru: True! You know, you can be pretty quick to the punch line sometimes. Siren: (Yay! I made a great impression!) Teru: I feel like I've been smiling all day. Teru: It's getting pretty late, though. I'll walk you home. Teru: No way are you gonna catch me like that. Siren: Thanks for walking me home. Teru: Don't worry about it, you're on the way ho--hmm? Siren: Harry! Harry: What're you... Harry: Never mind. I'll talk to you about it later. Teru: Huh... Siren: Umm, uh... Teru: Aren't you popular? Siren: Hey! It's not what you think! Teru: I was kidding. See you later. Siren: (There - Harry's calling.) Harry: Hey. It's me. So... what's the deal? Option 1: Clear up the misunderstanding Option 2: I want us to be friends. Siren: Harry, there's something I need to talk to you about. Can you meet me today? Siren: Harry, listen... there's this guy that I like... Siren: And so, umm... Harry: Oh, I get it. Siren: Harry... Harry: I'm not mad, so you don't need to make that face at me. Harry: I was just surprised. Seriously. Harry: Alright! I'll help you however you need it. No matter what. Harry: So you better get your man, you hear me? Siren: Yeah, I won't disappoint you. And... thanks. This system is new to Girl's Side 2, and requires decent amount of planning to see. This scene, and the subsequent Best Friend status, has the following requirements:
So... now there are two and a half years of high school left. And there are a couple of choices left for Haruhi's romantic life, now that Harry-Haruhi is official and drama-free. That means... there a POLL tomorrow! It's been so long! Next time: Well, now what?
|
# ? Oct 28, 2015 09:30 |
|
I'm glad that you can easily settle that drama, and also that you won't have to drag Haruhi down the track during the three-legged race.
|
# ? Oct 28, 2015 09:36 |
|
I'm impressed the game actually both accounts for and lets you settle this kind of drama.
|
# ? Oct 28, 2015 11:58 |
|
Masaki is my fave but he really isn't let's play potential.
|
# ? Oct 28, 2015 13:02 |
|
A male cast sure lets you get away with a lot.
|
# ? Oct 28, 2015 13:24 |
|
At first I didn't think I'd like Teru but he's growing on me.
|
# ? Oct 28, 2015 13:38 |
|
FractalSandwich posted:A male cast sure lets you get away with a lot. Yeah, he's way too young to be allowed to serve alcohol! Though on second thought, probably not in Japan.
|
# ? Oct 29, 2015 01:22 |
|
Yeah, a school swimsuit probably would have worked at that cafe. Teru is pretty interesting, as an industrial-grade hot guy who isn't so much an rear end in a top hat as that he'd rather just leave all that at the office.
|
# ? Oct 31, 2015 01:00 |
|
Interlude: The last poll of TMGS 2 So here's the deal. I've been setting up Siren's life this SP to make sure that the Best Friend system is activated for Harry and Haruhi. Teru was the most convenient means of doing so, since Masaki and Wakaoji (the previous poll-winners) are unable to help activate it and Siren knows Teru by default at the start of the game. But now that that's done, I'm feeling a bit of a dilemma. And that dilemma is: Which boy should Siren hang out with for the rest of high school? Poll closes before vibratingsheep fucked around with this message at 03:02 on Nov 1, 2015 |
# ? Oct 31, 2015 06:51 |
|
Honestly, Teru grew on me. I wanna see more about what his deal is.
|
# ? Oct 31, 2015 07:33 |
|
Lotta Teru love in that poll (I'm one of his votes)
|
# ? Oct 31, 2015 07:34 |
|
Hang out with the dude with the car!
|
# ? Oct 31, 2015 07:59 |
|
It's obviously helped by the amount of face time he's received but Teru actually seems like a character with interesting things to learn about. The other two dudes just kinda seem like bumps on a log.
|
# ? Oct 31, 2015 08:03 |
Adlai Stevenson posted:It's obviously helped by the amount of face time he's received but Teru actually seems like a character with interesting things to learn about. The other two dudes just kinda seem like bumps on a log. nah wakaoji seems like a real cool cat however: grown-rear end man
|
|
# ? Oct 31, 2015 09:35 |
|
Is this the first time we'll be going for the main lead since Shiori?
|
# ? Oct 31, 2015 11:49 |
|
Patware posted:nah wakaoji seems like a real cool cat Funny, for me I don't really care that he's older (in this instance), I care that he seems kinda artificially wacky. I feel a little bad for the three people that voted for Masaki.
|
# ? Oct 31, 2015 14:44 |
|
Obligatory "I just marathoned and caught up" post, took about a week of intermittent reading but it's been well worth it. Good work vibratingsheep! I must confess my annoyance at the goons of the past for constantly voting for the objectively inferior anime girls, instead of my objectively superior choices. You guys did redeem yourself by going back for Homura, although I'll admit that you guys picked right with Akane who I ended up liking better. So is it just me or have the GS games been considerably better quality than the main series? Obviously they have the advantage of coming after decades of experience with the genre but I think there's more to it than that, I much prefer how the protagonist is presented in the GS games and the best friend stuff is probably one of the strongest additions to the formula so far. I loved Mizuki and of course there's the break out character of the LP: Haruhi. She gives me this vibe like she could be the protagonist of her own game, her pursuit of Harry really makes her more compelling and it's handled so much better than Jun was. Anyway, to the matter at hand. Seeing as you already eliminated the obvious best choice, Helmet Boy, before I could even get here I'll pitch in for Teru. If there's any hope of a revisit to this title Wakaoji should be next.
|
# ? Oct 31, 2015 17:48 |
|
I dunno, GS1 and 2 really dragged till the romance arcs started picking up. The friends did their best to keep things going, but most of the guys just aren't as wacky as the girls.
|
# ? Oct 31, 2015 19:12 |
|
CheeseThief posted:I must confess my annoyance at the goons of the past for constantly voting for the objectively inferior anime girls, instead of my objectively superior choices. You guys did redeem yourself by going back for Homura, although I'll admit that you guys picked right with Akane who I ended up liking better.
|
# ? Oct 31, 2015 22:31 |
|
|
# ? May 31, 2024 11:14 |
|
Adlai Stevenson posted:Funny, for me I don't really care that he's older (in this instance), I care that he seems kinda artificially wacky. I don't even remember who Masaki is, truth be told. And I'd be lying if I said I was comfortable with Wakaouji even being an interest at all, because of the teacher-student thing. Dynamics is important, folks.
|
# ? Nov 1, 2015 20:53 |