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beanieson
Sep 25, 2008

I had the opportunity to change literally anything about the world and I used it to get a new av
Chewie looks high as gently caress :350:

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BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Lipstick Apathy

Myrddin_Emrys posted:

Threepio looks horrified at this turn of events

He's actually happier than ever

SirPhoebos
Dec 10, 2007

WELL THAT JUST HAPPENED!

Rad Lieutenant posted:

Chewie looks high as gently caress :350:

Well Life Day is coming up, time to hit the bong!

RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

http 418

BravestOfTheLamps posted:

I watched this, and this is just them both trying to feint.

I can understand if this kids' movie flew over your head though

Yes, almost everything people are bitching about about how unrealistic the fencing in the PT is can be chalked up to the fact that Jedi can see the future, so a duel is less about countering your enemy and more about trying to set him up in a way he can't escape.

But this isn't the "Post reasonable explanations for poo poo that kinda looks dumb in the Star Wars movies" thread.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


they can't see into the future like that.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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i thought that it just had to do with feelings

like you have your jedi who are all like "i feel serene and can feel the force guiding me to swing this way" and your sith who are "im so fuckin pissed i just know where to swing"

P-Mack
Nov 10, 2007

RFC2324 posted:

Yes, almost everything people are bitching about about how unrealistic the fencing in the PT is can be chalked up to the fact that Jedi can see the future, so a duel is less about countering your enemy and more about trying to set him up in a way he can't escape.

But this isn't the "Post reasonable explanations for poo poo that kinda looks dumb in the Star Wars movies" thread.

But that would probably involve staying in a safe guard position until you foresee an opportunity, not flailing and putting yourself in positions where even people without magic powers can see the future that involves putting a sword through your head.

But it doesn't even matter. Film is a visual medium and just looking dumb is a very real flaw in many of the prequel action scenes.

RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

http 418

Groovelord Neato posted:

they can't see into the future like that.

Sword Fighting in the Star Wars Universe: Historical Origins, Style and Philosophy posted:

An example is the assertion that the Jedi's ability to see into the future permits him to know where a Jedi will attack with his lightsaber. This line of reasoning, however, leads to an infinite regression of which Jedi can "outsee the future?" Others who identify blaster bolts with lasers have asserted that the ability to deflect blaster bolts is a Force "skill" stemming from the ability to see into the future.

Essential, as I understand the claims, the Force allows all Jedi to "see" a second or 2 into the future, long enough to be useful for blocking/parrying, but not useful in a "I can tell you the future!" sense. This changes lightsaber fighting from being all about speed a reflexes to being more of a chess match where you are trying to maneuver your opponent into a position that seeing whats coming won't help.


Fojar38 posted:

i thought that it just had to do with feelings

like you have your jedi who are all like "i feel serene and can feel the force guiding me to swing this way" and your sith who are "im so fuckin pissed i just know where to swing"

In actual technical detail, pretty sure this is more correct, the Force sees the future and guides the Force user. But the easy way to explain is that they can see a second or 2 into the future.

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
The Jedi clearly couldn't see their way out of 3 terrible movies.

RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

http 418

oohhboy posted:

The Jedi clearly couldn't see their way out of 3 terrible movies.

With how those movies dragged on, a few seconds wouldn't have helped.

shiksa
Nov 9, 2009

i went to one of these wrestling shows and it was... honestly? frickin boring. i wanna see ricky! i want to see his gold chains and respect for the ftw lifestyle
See it actually makes sense to turn light saber fights into overblown, ridiculous, flippy cgi messes because of this half baked passage from an eu book

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


RFC2324 posted:

Essential, as I understand the claims, the Force allows all Jedi to "see" a second or 2 into the future, long enough to be useful for blocking/parrying, but not useful in a "I can tell you the future!" sense. This changes lightsaber fighting from being all about speed a reflexes to being more of a chess match where you are trying to maneuver your opponent into a position that seeing whats coming won't help.


In actual technical detail, pretty sure this is more correct, the Force sees the future and guides the Force user. But the easy way to explain is that they can see a second or 2 into the future.

you're the guy that posts those terrible imgur things about the different force users and jedi "ranks" because you read some eu books...then other stupid imgur nerds lament disney destroying the eu

a real rude dude
Jan 23, 2005

RFC2324 posted:

Essential, as I understand the claims, the Force allows all Jedi to "see" a second or 2 into the future, long enough to be useful for blocking/parrying, but not useful in a "I can tell you the future!" sense. This changes lightsaber fighting from being all about speed a reflexes to being more of a chess match where you are trying to maneuver your opponent into a position that seeing whats coming won't help.


In actual technical detail, pretty sure this is more correct, the Force sees the future and guides the Force user. But the easy way to explain is that they can see a second or 2 into the future.

how does waving your lightsaber around where it cant hit a guy set him up to be hit when he also knows what youre doing and can see ahead to thats dumb youre dumb

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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personally i think that the problem with prequel lightsaber fights is that the writing was so bad nobody gave a gently caress about them, not that they were too flashy

Shalebridge Cradle
Apr 23, 2008


Fojar38 posted:

personally i think that the problem with prequel lightsaber fights is that the writing was so bad nobody gave a gently caress about them, not that they were too flashy

pretty much this

If the fighting didn't make sense without multiple paragraphs of explanation of the force and poo poo after the fact then they are bad. Either because the movie doesn't convey enough information for you to understand what your seeing or because they actually make no sense and all that justification is post hoc bullshit.

They are fighting with 3 foot long glowing swords that poo poo is going to be flashy and that's fine.

beanieson
Sep 25, 2008

I had the opportunity to change literally anything about the world and I used it to get a new av
http://darthjarjar.com

The Saurus
Dec 3, 2006

by Smythe
This again?

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



i'm already ten times more emotionally invested in the lightsaber fight between Finn McMissile and Ryan Kent in the new one based on light 40 frames of footage. because they establish just with huck finn's face that the characters fighting might actually feel things and maybe there will be important stakes?

then i remember how duped I was by episode I trailers into being stoked, and wrack my brain trying to remember a good jj abrams movie. there will never be another good starwar.

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747

Otisburg posted:

i'm already ten times more emotionally invested in the lightsaber fight between Finn McMissile and Ryan Kent in the new one based on light 40 frames of footage. because they establish just with huck finn's face that the characters fighting might actually feel things and maybe there will be important stakes?

then i remember how duped I was by episode I trailers into being stoked, and wrack my brain trying to remember a good jj abrams movie. there will never be another good starwar.

Hey, his action movies are fun at first watch at least. A couple of good MI movies and St09 is pretty good, though the new one was incredibly forgettable.

Xenomrph
Dec 9, 2005

AvP Nerd/Fanboy/Shill



effectual posted:

Hey, his action movies are fun at first watch at least. A couple of good MI movies and St09 is pretty good, though the new one was incredibly forgettable.
I thought Super 8 was good, but he was also trying his absolute hardest (and largely succeeding) to make an 80s Spielberg homage.

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


Super 8 is "E.T., but in a really bad mood." Also everyone else is in a bad mood. It's great.

Mission Impossible 3 was good.

When you review Abrams' actual work, the only actual turds he's laid are the Star Trek movies, and his first Star Trek is fun to watch even if the story itself is in no way compelling. Also he didn't receive a writing credit for those.

This is nowhere near a Joss Whedon thing, who receives the lion's share of credit for the Marvel titles, but everything he's directly involved with is mediocre and it feels like he's actively trying to ruin everything in Avengers 2.

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Mission Impossible 3 is nonsensical trash. Philip Seymour Hoffman and Simon Pegg was the only good thing to come out of it. Some individual scenes are pretty good(Bridge breakout), but as a whole movie, no way.

JJ has yet to make a good movie. Hell even Michael Bay can say he has made one good movie in the form of The Rock where just about anybody can point to that and say hell yeah, that was a kickass movie. Abram is a hack fraud where his best is mediocre. If you have ever seen his TED talk on mystery you will understand he has no idea what story telling is. Nostalgia is what Star Wars 7 is banking on as it doesn't have anything else going for it.

Joss Whedon has his own problems. He is too predicable and he hasn't really done anything that didn't have an ensemble cast. Avengers 1 is really predicable to the point you can time when the next "Joke" happens. It doesn't help that the whole Marvel Universe is due to implode from it's own mass.

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



I liked Firefly but one of Joss Whedon's problem is he has no ear for dialogue. Not in the sense that it falls flat, but that he punches it up so much that everyone is the Smartest Most Cleverest Character In The Room. When everyone, including the hulking green id monster, has a quip on the tip of their tongue at all times, the characters lose their distinct voices.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

The JJ Star Trek films are pretty good.

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



cargohills posted:

The JJ Star Trek films are pretty good.

okay maybe i can't objectively rate jj abrams Star trek XI because star trek movies to me shouldn't be kenetic young exciting people doing action, but instead septaugenarians in maroon uniforms talking. :colbert:

but XII is pretty much regarded as a muddled mess that looked like two drafts that never really got hammered down to work together, content to ape the best star trek movie and stand tiny in its shadow. it's "big reveal" is that a guy who said his name was something actually has a different name; it was pure fan wank that didn't really change the stakes or circumstances or otherwise move the story, it just gave a framework to re work circumstances from a much better film

i expect star trek 13 to be lifted to the heights of medocrity by the broad, chocolatey shoulders of idris elba :kimchi:

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Otisburg posted:

i'm already ten times more emotionally invested in the lightsaber fight between Finn McMissile and Ryan Kent in the new one based on light 40 frames of footage. because they establish just with huck finn's face that the characters fighting might actually feel things and maybe there will be important stakes?

then i remember how duped I was by episode I trailers into being stoked, and wrack my brain trying to remember a good jj abrams movie. there will never be another good starwar.

star trek was the best star wars movie since return of the jedi (until guardians of the galaxy came out). into darkness was bad tho.

Otisburg posted:

I liked Firefly but one of Joss Whedon's problem is he has no ear for dialogue. Not in the sense that it falls flat, but that he punches it up so much that everyone is the Smartest Most Cleverest Character In The Room. When everyone, including the hulking green id monster, has a quip on the tip of their tongue at all times, the characters lose their distinct voices.

yeah this is the worst.

Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 14:33 on Nov 1, 2015

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


Star Trek 2009 is Dawson's Trek and like many Marvel movies has an utterly forgettable, interchangeable villain. In Star Trek's case, most of the villain's background is somewhere on the cutting room floor, or you have to do something stupid like read a novelization or comic to figure out what the gently caress. This is a thing I hate possibly more than anything and that Halo did all the time.

Into Darkness is almost universally regarded as awful and given its production budget, only barely made money. It's really incredible how little of it works and within a couple of months after release, the production team was in full damage control.

http://www.ew.com/article/2013/09/19/star-trek-into-darkness-jj-abrams

As a Hollywood It Guy of the last several years, Abrams has demonstrated that he's far more talented than Whedon, but very little fixes a bad script.

I'm not super-convinced Star Wars 7 is going to be great but it looks interesting and it would be nearly impossible for it to be as inept as the prequels, which are some of the most flabbergastingly bad movies ever made. At least we can put the rumors of "Luke is Kylo Ren" to rest.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


where did the luke is kylo ren thing come from since we already know Adam Driver is kylo ren.

how do those guys keep getting jobs writing scripts anyway. the world blows.

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


Groovelord Neato posted:

where did the luke is kylo ren thing come from since we already know Adam Driver is kylo ren.

how do those guys keep getting jobs writing scripts anyway. the world blows.

Luke doesn't appear in the first or second trailer and Kylo Ren has a hard-on for Vader's mask. That is the entire basis of that theory.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


isn't he the guy with the gold hand that touches R2.

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



people are trying to get ahead of the next "No Boring Name Guy Really ISN'T Khan Whoops Turns Out He Is" thing.

people are used to genre films having nothing left to hold our interest but those kinds of cheap "surprises," and jj sort of encourages that kind of thinking

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



The good news is even if The Force Awakens is abyssmal, that just means we have an epic 2-hour Plinkett take-down/autopsy to look forward to in a couple years.

Starkk
Dec 31, 2008


Otisburg posted:

The good news is even if The Force Awakens is abyssmal, that just means we have an epic 2-hour Plinkett take-down/autopsy to look forward to in a couple years.

not if all those pizza rolls have their way with his heart

Bum the Sad
Aug 25, 2002

by VideoGames
Hell Gem

Sammus posted:



Han Solo hosed one of those things.

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

effectual posted:

He wouldn't work for wapo if he had a soul.

the washington compost

also,

Tender Bender posted:

I forgot another EU thing, taking the line "Alderaan is peaceful, we have no weapons!" and extrapolating that to mean that literally every single bomb, missile, and handgun on the entire planet was rounded up and sent into space.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Otisburg posted:

people are trying to get ahead of the next "No Boring Name Guy Really ISN'T Khan Whoops Turns Out He Is" thing.

people are used to genre films having nothing left to hold our interest but those kinds of cheap "surprises," and jj sort of encourages that kind of thinking

the good thing is that there aren't really surprises with JJ. i mean it seemed like he was trying to make the Benedict thing a big surprise but nope it's exactly what it seemed to be no big huge twist.

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

OneThousandMonkeys posted:

Super 8 is "E.T., but in a really bad mood." Also everyone else is in a bad mood. It's great.

Mission Impossible 3 was good.

When you review Abrams' actual work, the only actual turds he's laid are the Star Trek movies, and his first Star Trek is fun to watch even if the story itself is in no way compelling. Also he didn't receive a writing credit for those.

This is nowhere near a Joss Whedon thing, who receives the lion's share of credit for the Marvel titles, but everything he's directly involved with is mediocre and it feels like he's actively trying to ruin everything in Avengers 2.

I think Star Trek is a decent movie. It's not a great star trek movie, but it's a decent action movie.

If the new Star Wars movie is at the same level as the Star Trek movie (haven't seen the second one), it will be a huge improvement over the the PT and I'll be happy.

I'm not expecting Empire Strikes Back, but when I see the trailers I think "please, please, please don't suck :ohdear:"

Blurry Gray Thing
Jun 3, 2009

The Saurus posted:

I'm just going to post my star wars apples in every star wars thread because i can not believe the depths this franchise has sunk to






This is a travesty.

Why are they both golden/reddish apples, why isn't the vader bag red apples and the yoda green?

Hashtag GBS
May 10, 2015

by Lowtax
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Daggibus_Scoritoles

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TK-42-1
Oct 30, 2013

looks like we have a bad transmitter



Otisburg posted:

I liked Firefly but one of Joss Whedon's problem is he has no ear for dialogue. Not in the sense that it falls flat, but that he punches it up so much that everyone is the Smartest Most Cleverest Character In The Room. When everyone, including the hulking green id monster, has a quip on the tip of their tongue at all times, the characters lose their distinct voices.

He's got Sorkin's Syndrome. This was highlighted and double underlined by having Spader be the baddie in #2.

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