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Bad Munki posted:Because I don't want to commit to that sort of long-term relationship with the toilet for something as quick as taking a piss. It's a matter of overhead, you see. I bought a padded toilet seat and dammit I'm going to get my $17 worth of sitting time.
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Sorry I'm late.TooMuchAbstraction posted:Speaking as someone who's going to be installing asphalt shingles soon, got any advice for me? I've yet to start reading tutorials / watching videos, but it'd be good to know some basics about what not to do at least. Either is good. But use roofing nails. Yes, a 1"-1-1/4" nail will go through the decking if it's 5/8" or less, unless you're using, like 50-year shingles...but that's OK: For asphalt or fiberglass shingles, you want at least four nails, just above the slots. That way, you also hit the top edge of the shingle on the row below, so you get eight nails per shingle.  Javid posted:Well, we're not doing that, at least. I'm curious how the one we're installing would stack up. DO NOT USE STAPLES. I believe you when you say the original roof had them, but they got lucky. Stick with the nails. After a good wind event, we could always tell the roofs that were stapled down: most of the shingles would come off in huge swathes, while the houses all around it had like maybe a half-dozen individual shingles off here & there. Looks like you have laminate shingles there. Yes, that;s the tape line, and make sure you hit both layers on each shingle. That roof has a low enough pitch that you don't need to add additional adhesive to your laminates, For laminate shingles:  By that way, every bundle of shingles should have that instruction printed on the wrapper. PainterofCrap fucked around with this message at 05:34 on Oct 28, 2015 |
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That's what we did. The vast majority are nailed - we were stapling for maybe 3 hours of the 20 we spent on this project. We'll see if that exact patch flies off!
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Mercury Ballistic posted:http://imgur.com/gallery/zbFJ3d3 I like how their response is to just pile a bunch of blankets under it and hope for the best.
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In the US, it's Harvest Gold instead of Avocado. Every house built in the 70's had a Harvest Gold bathroom. I have one myself. It's horrid but, as David Mitchell says, "I wash my balls in it" Why should I care? It could be worse, the original kitchen had bright orange countertops with dark stained wood cabinets. I know because there's a piece of the old countertop in the garage and I use the old cabinets for storage. They were left in the basement when I bought the house. When I re-did our master bath, I found the original wallpaper under the mirror. It was zebra stripes, over orange and green stripes, over a fuzzy sort of cloth green and yellow number which was the first. I'm pretty sure the house would have induced vomiting when it was built in '74.
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Avocado was super common for kitchen appliances in the 1970s United States though. The house I grew up in was built in 1954, and has medium grey tile work with pink tile accents, and a pink toilet/sink. (Shower is grey and pink tile, with a terrazzo floor that matches the rest of the house, no tub.) The other bathroom (mine) is seafoam green and pink tile. Sink, toilet, and tub are pink. There's another house in the neighborhood with a dark brown and pale blue bathroom, including brown tub/toilet/sink.  Edit: the problem with all the bathrooms (other than the sometimes-questionable colors,) in the neighborhood is that the tile work is absolutely superb, and simply cannot be matched at any price now. Dead-straight rows, with properly planned spacing, very little "oh poo poo I'll us a single row of quarter-cut right here." All that is tucked behind the door, or at the corner of the shower. I makes modern tile work in this area look loving sad, by comparison. MrYenko fucked around with this message at 01:46 on Nov 1, 2015 |
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MrYenko posted:Avocado was super common for kitchen appliances in the 1970s United States though. I used to live in a late 50's house where the main bath had the sink, tile, toilet and tub in a dental-plate pink. I finally got rid of it, I got tired of imagining that I was bathing in King Kong's mout.
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MrYenko posted:Avocado was super common for kitchen appliances in the 1970s United States though. If it's the color I'm thinking of it's not even pink. It's this awful...mauve? I don't even know, but I hate it. quote:Edit: the problem with all the bathrooms (other than the sometimes-questionable colors,) in the neighborhood is that the tile work is absolutely superb, and simply cannot be matched at any price now. Dead-straight rows, with properly planned spacing, very little "oh poo poo I'll us a single row of quarter-cut right here." All that is tucked behind the door, or at the corner of the shower. I makes modern tile work in this area look loving sad, by comparison. I'd noticed this. So what the hell happened? Is proper tile installation lostech?
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Inexpensive skilled labor, and a good work ethic are hard to find these days. You can make more money if you slap them up and move on.
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One Legged Ninja posted:Inexpensive skilled labor, and a good work ethic are hard to find these days. You can make more money if you slap them up and move on. I would be more inclined to expect that the crappy tile jobs haven't survived sixty years' worth of use and were therefore replaced. So the only tile jobs we see from back then are the good ones.
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There's a retro bathroom movement to try and save those pink bathrooms and bathroom suites. When you get rid of yours someone else might pay you for it.
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:There's a retro bathroom movement to try and save those pink bathrooms and bathroom suites. When you get rid of yours someone else might pay you for it. I wonder if people will see granite countertops and whatnot the exact same way in fifty years.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:So the only tile jobs we see from back then are the good ones. Good point. This also applies to just about every other aspect of building, as well. We typically only see the over built, highly ornate buildings survive this long (on this side of the pond, anyway.) The other ones probably rotted apart, and by the time the homeowners noticed, the master carpenter had removed his business from the guild and registered a new one under a different name. 
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One Legged Ninja posted:Good point. This also applies to just about every other aspect of building, as well. We typically only see the over built, highly ornate buildings survive this long (on this side of the pond, anyway.) The other ones probably rotted apart, and by the time the homeowners noticed, the master carpenter had removed his business from the guild and registered a new one under a different name. While this is partially true: when was the last time you saw a new-build house that was built with genuine craftmanship and skill - rather than MDF and adhesives?
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spog posted:While this is partially true: when was the last time you saw a new-build house that was built with genuine craftmanship and skill - rather than MDF and adhesives? There's a family that runs a general contracting business where my parents live. They put in a subdivision, and the first four lots went to the family members. The GC, the lead framer, the electrician, and the plumber. Those four houses were masterworks. The rest of the houses in the subdivision were pretty good, as the family prides itself on good worksmanship, but nowhere NEAR as perfect as those model homes.
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OSU_Matthew posted:I wonder if people will see granite countertops and whatnot the exact same way in fifty years. I really hope that people aren't crazy enough to think that wood grain ceramic tile is worth preserving.
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Shifty Pony posted:I really hope that people aren't crazy enough to think that wood grain ceramic tile is worth preserving. IT BELONGS IN A MUSEUM
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spog posted:While this is partially true: when was the last time you saw a new-build house that was built with genuine craftmanship and skill - rather than MDF and adhesives? Plenty of custom built homes are built with quality that might be considered "genuine craftsmanship", though they likely involve a great deal of adhesive. Builders are ever innovating new ways to cut corners and save on material and labor costs, but at the same time, the standards they're cutting from keep increasing (for the most part). In the 1920's and 1930's, many master painters refused to paint insulated houses, because they were seeing such high failure rates with peeling paint. The biggest problem was that master carpenters (displaying their skill and dedication to quality, I presume) paid so little attention to flashing that they often omitted it entirely. With no insulation, the resulting leaks in the siding would usually dry out fast enough to avoid problems, but with insulation, it was a disaster.
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OSU_Matthew posted:I wonder if people will see granite countertops and whatnot the exact same way in fifty years. I've seen granite countertops that way since the beginning. For a baking/candymaking surface? Great. But they suck for everything else other than aesthetics. I suppose that's all most people care about as it seems few people actually cook anymore (at least around here). spog posted:While this is partially true: when was the last time you saw a new-build house that was built with genuine craftmanship and skill - rather than MDF and adhesives? Regularly. But they are typically the ones that are $1m+ or belong to a contractor who is building their own house to live in long term.
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In another 20 years those hideous 70s bathrooms are going to be in style again with minor modification. I always thought 90% of granite countertops looked gross. Quartz or butcher block all the way.
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KillHour posted:In another 20 years those hideous 70s bathrooms are going to be in style again with minor modification. I always thought 90% of granite countertops looked gross. Quartz or butcher block all the way.
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Nitrox posted:Take a look at a 50 year old butcher block counter top and see if your opinion changes One that's been maintained properly? No, it won't. Something that has been abused, not properly oiled and never sanded when necessary? Of course that's going to be a disaster. And sometimes things just wear out and need to be replaced. The whole reason you see very few true butcher block countertops is because they require this kind of care. (I'm not talking about butcher block that's been encased in some kind of clear plastic). I wouldn't want all block counters, but as a center island or a just part of a section as a functional work surface? Hell yes. In fact I have a big chunk of butch block that is going to get used as a center island in my kitchen.
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For every well-preserved butcher block I've seen, there are dozens that didn't make the cut. Anything that requires a frequently re-seal-able top coat is not meant for wear and tear duty in my honest opinion. Especially in the kitchen, where a porous surface would breed bacteria. I've recently stopped at an old gas station store that had a butcher block counter. The section by the register had a 1/4" indentation where people would place their shopping items. It looked kinda cool, actually
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I would likely do quartz with a smallish butcher block insert that can be removed as a work surface. Possibly one that can be switched out with a marble insert if I ever decide to bake (or live with somebody who does).
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KillHour posted:In another 20 years those hideous 70s bathrooms are going to be in style again with minor modification. I always thought 90% of granite countertops looked gross. Quartz or butcher block all the way. Could you post examples of granite you consider gross looking?
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Blue Footed Booby posted:Could you post examples of granite you consider gross looking? First result in Google image search for "granite countertops."  Gross.  Kind of neat looking, I suppose? Will be completely outdated in 5 years nonetheless. Cabinets are hideous.  Eeeew.  If I woke up to that bathroom every morning, I would probably slit my throat with my razor and just bleed out all over that horrible vanity. Edit: As for things that I think look good and are relatively timeless: Engineered quartz.  This is what I'd probably go for. I love the grey, and you can accent it with whatever color you want while still making it easy to remove the accents if the person buying your house doesn't like red. (I know you can get it in any color you want. I'm just saying I'd personally go with a neutral grey.) Quartzite is also cool if you want the more natural stone look.  And then stained concrete. Cheap, durable, and very attractive done well. 
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Wood surfaces don't allow bacteria growth the way you'd expect. Plastic boards are nasty, all those little nooks and crannies from knife use turn into safe harbors for bacteria. A butcher block island would be cool but I don't think it'd be great for the whole counter. Too annoying by the sink.
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Nitrox posted:Psst, the picture is black and white Yes, I'm aware. I still love a solid grey countertop.
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spog posted:While this is partially true: when was the last time you saw a new-build house that was built with genuine craftmanship and skill - rather than MDF and adhesives? I've seen a few, but they were paying out the rear end to have a builder who had the reputation to put on the line for building top notch poo poo. It's why I want to build for my place, because I want to know the spec it was built to and catch the botches while they're easy to fix. Motronic posted:I've seen granite countertops that way since the beginning. Granite counters, butcherblock island. Best of both worlds. Get a good butcherblock and you can just belt sand/plane off the top every decade or two if it gets too badly gouged and re-oil. Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Nov 1, 2015 |
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At least can we all agree that grouted tile is an awful idea for countertops?
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Shifty Pony posted:At least can we all agree that grouted tile is an awful idea for countertops?
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Nitrox posted:For every well-preserved butcher block I've seen, there are dozens that didn't make the cut. Anything that requires a frequently re-seal-able top coat is not meant for wear and tear duty in my honest opinion. Especially in the kitchen, where a porous surface would breed bacteria. Butcher block when properly oiled is quite sanitary. Real, actual butchers use it every day to cut the meat you likely purchase at a store. At the butcher shop I go to they've had the same ones for DECADES and a couple of them are lightly bowl shaped now from use. When you say "re-seal-able top coat" it leads me to believe you are thinking about the fake butcher block I was referring to earlier......butcher block that's been coated with poly or something is really inappropriate for using as a cutting surface for food. It's just for looks. Also, LOL at "not meant for wear and tear duty in my honest opinion." All of these commercial butcher shops must have been so wrong for so many years now.
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Shifty Pony posted:At least can we all agree that grouted tile is an awful idea for countertops? The house we're renting is tiled with some sort of awful terra-cotta tile and poorly mixed, unsealed grout. It also looks like it was installed by someone with diplopia. It's horrendous. We actually talked about what we would do the make this house better if we owned it, and it basically involved demoing the entire inside and rebuilding it 
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