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thebardyspoon posted:That sounds like it would get really annoying if you had to hack with the frequency you pick locks/hack in Fallout or something like Deus Ex. Not played Shadowrun yet though, I'm guessing it's balanced out timewise. Yeah, you might do that sort of thing once a mission, if that, so I think maybe ten or twenty times at most for a full campaign?
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Nov 1, 2015 17:27
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Also the whole matrix thing is part of Shadowrun, so that's why it has its own thing.
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Nov 1, 2015 17:28
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I actually thought Fallout 3's hacking was really well done, mostly because it actually feels like you are hacking a computer. Instead of engaging in some kind of silly minigame, you're trying to figure out a password using the tools given to you. I think it's great and I'm glad it's still in Fallout 4. The only thing I didn't like was that you had infinite tries and that it came down to luck a lot of time. Still, I don't like that Shadowrun minigame because it looks just like normal gameplay except with a blue filter.
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  Two new screenshots. They seem to be coming from a Spanish forum - http://www.elotrolado.net/hilo_fallout-4-10-de-noviembre_1953109_s2370
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NO LO VEO CLARO
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thebardyspoon posted:That sounds like it would get really annoying if you had to hack with the frequency you pick locks/hack in Fallout or something like Deus Ex. Not played Shadowrun yet though, I'm guessing it's balanced out timewise. Well, I gave it as an example because someone asked for an example. I'm not suggesting a full-blown 3D virtual reality adventure for each and every single terminal you come across in a huge world like Fallout 3. I'm just saying that there are a ton of things they can do to make the lockpicking and hacking games not boring and tedious. Minorkos posted:Still, I don't like that Shadowrun minigame because it looks just like normal gameplay except with a blue filter. It looks similar but plays differently. Not super deep (since it's a minigame) but enough to keep each hack interesting.
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How many pockets do you really need?
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enraged_camel posted:Shadowrun: Dragonfall has a FANTASTIC hacking minigame. Whenever you hack into a terminal, you get transported into a 3D virtual reality environment where you have to use specialized skills to destroy the program's defensive countermeasures -- bots, basically -- and get to your objective (e.g. turn off the security system). And the number and strength of the specialized skills (as well as how long you get to stay in the VR environment) is determined by your hacking skill. I mean it is a good system and the shadowrun games are great. But lol if you think anyone wants to do that every time they have to hack something in a Fallout game.
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crabcakes66 posted:I mean it is a good system and the shadowrun games are great. But lol if you think anyone wants to do that every time they have to hack something in a Fallout game. Literally two posts above yours: enraged_camel posted:Well, I gave it as an example because someone asked for an example. I'm not suggesting a full-blown 3D virtual reality adventure for each and every single terminal you come across in a huge world like Fallout 3. I'm just saying that there are a ton of things they can do to make the lockpicking and hacking games not boring and tedious.
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What game was it where you had to match the similar looking bits of 'code'. Was that Deus Ex? Edit: No I'm thinking of Mass Effect. 
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Nov 1, 2015 17:55
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Liefeldian. I assume she's (?) all bright because he's targeting her and not because everything is poo poo and Bethesda can do nothing right et cetera?
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Yeah, I liked the Mass Effect 2 hacking game. Simple but felt appropriate.
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enraged_camel posted:Shadowrun: Dragonfall has a FANTASTIC hacking minigame. Whenever you hack into a terminal, you get transported into a 3D virtual reality environment where you have to use specialized skills to destroy the program's defensive countermeasures -- bots, basically -- and get to your objective (e.g. turn off the security system). And the number and strength of the specialized skills (as well as how long you get to stay in the VR environment) is determined by your hacking skill. The first System Shock has a very similar system to this. Every floor has 1 or 2 cyberjacks. You jack into cyberspace, and move around in this virtual 3D environment (that gets disorienting as gently caress since there's technically no up or down) and use different offensive and defensive software to crack ICE and unlock doors. It's super cool.  Count me as one of the people who like F3/NV (and now 4's) hacking minigame. It's quick, unobtrusive, and you also don't have to do it if you don't want to.
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I liked the ME2 minigame but it gets old on subsequent playthroughs.
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Nov 1, 2015 18:07
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Guess there's been another update:quote:Our Spanish source has given more updates. I'm Portuguese so I can understand Spanish fairly well, but I'll settle with just relaying the juiciest bits (no story spoilers) rather than doing a poor word for word translation: No survival mechanics, from the sound of it. Rough.
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Nov 1, 2015 18:13
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Borde is seemingly "edgy' or "rude."
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Yeah I'm BR and I can read these spanish posts. This game is gonna be Skyrim with Guns/Fallout 3 v2 like everyone predicted so far, which is fine by me since that's exactly what I want
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Nov 1, 2015 18:22
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Inverness posted:Someone needs to tell this guy to stop posting ultra-compressed JPEGs. It's also weird why he (or any of the other people with early copies for that matter) haven't posted screens of the map or perk list. I'm suspecting maybe Bethesda has given the go ahead to leak certain parts but not others.
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strong bird posted:Its a console game dude I'm not blaming the game's graphical issues on the image format, if that is what you're suggesting. mryellowduck posted:It's also weird why he (or any of the other people with early copies for that matter) haven't posted screens of the map or perk list.
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mryellowduck posted:It's also weird why he (or any of the other people with early copies for that matter) haven't posted screens of the map or perk list. Ok you can spoil lots of story stuff and post badly compressed screens that make the game looks worse than it is BUT DON'T YOU DARE SPOIL THE PERKS!
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Nov 1, 2015 18:26
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mryellowduck posted:It's also weird why he (or any of the other people with early copies for that matter) haven't posted screens of the map or perk list. Bethesda is very very tight on their NDA. That is literally all I can say.
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Is there gonna be an iPad pip-boy app? Playing on PC so could definitely see having that to the left of my keyboard as I play. My time 5s is probably too small
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You'll cowards don't even break NDA
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7c Nickel posted:Ok you can spoil lots of story stuff and post badly compressed screens that make the game looks worse than it is BUT DON'T YOU DARE SPOIL THE PERKS! I mean it's pretty clear that everyone wants to know what the perks are so they can plan characters accordingly. Yet it seems that none of the people that have decided to show off to the Internet have bothered to take a few minutes of their time to document perks. So yes, now that the idea was brought up, I suspect the leaks are intentional and specific. Edit: Or maybe it's something like that phenomenon where streamers tend to be absolutely terrible at the games they play and never do what is obvious to the audience. Inverness fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Nov 1, 2015 |
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Nov 1, 2015 18:32
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Inverness posted:Sure, why not? You feel a conspiracy is more likely than people on the internet being bell ends? :edit: Ok yeah, your edit seems to be the most likely thing to me.
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7c Nickel posted:Ok you can spoil lots of story stuff and post badly compressed screens that make the game looks worse than it is BUT DON'T YOU DARE SPOIL THE PERKS! How is it that people can care about other things? How can they be so blind to the importance of perks? Do they not know what we're going through here? It festers. Something is rotten. Eventually the only reasonable explanation is a conspiracy. Reasonable people couldn't just "happen" to be so ignorant of obviously important things. I'm beginning to doubt that one goon's "Halloween party" story. Awfully convenient excuse.
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Inverness posted:Sure, why not? Honestly I'm thinking it's the latter.
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Oooo the spanish guy talked about the LUCK 5 perk. He also said that he doesn't want to talk about all the perks because its a lot of work Rough Translation: Dumb Luck - You're not dumb..just different. Randomly receive triple XP for any action. The less Intelligence you have, the better the chance.
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Inverness posted:Or maybe it's something like that phenomenon where streamers tend to be absolutely terrible at the games they play and never do what is obvious to the audience. This is the most likely explanation as I have never seen a streamer (except those who do speedruns or play competitively) ever surpass the minimum amount of competence that you would expect from someone, and most of the time go far below that.
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Also he's complaining a lot about the dialogue system. In one of the quests you go to an interview (he was vague about what), and the option he picked didn't exactly correspond to what the PC said, and since the mission depended a lot on what dialogue choice he picked he was really frustrated about it.
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frajaq posted:Oooo the spanish guy talked about the LUCK 5 perk. He also said that he doesn't want to talk about all the perks because its a lot of work  into leaking information. It's not like we need screenshots of the perks.quote:Rough Translation: Dumb Luck - You're not dumb..just different. Randomly receive triple XP for any action. The less Intelligence you have, the better the chance. Eiba posted:When all you want is the perks, and you become deeply invested in the perks (that is, the only part of the game worth learning about before its release), and then there's a blackout on the perks- scant promotional information, and no leaks... the world begins to look a bit crazy eventually.
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frajaq posted:Oooo the spanish guy talked about the LUCK 5 perk. He also said that he doesn't want to talk about all the perks because its a lot of work Oh, neat. If there's one thing that's hard to come by in Bethesda games it's experience points.
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Police Automaton posted:That woman looks photoshopped in. It has an odd flat lighting that wipes out shadows.
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Tried booting up New Vegas again. ... Didn't click. Maybe I've played so much New Vegas I'm still burnt out on it, maybe I keep forgetting how drat boring Goodsprings is compared to everything else.
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2house2fly posted:Oh, neat. If there's one thing that's hard to come by in Bethesda games it's experience points. Eh, at least in this one there is no level cap so it's not one of those perks that becomes useless eventually. If it procs on a quest completion then that could be a whole level and a half as well. I probably won't take it but it's not complete poo poo like the ones in Fallout 3 were.
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