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As a side note, that's why I love Dead Money best of all the DLC. It takes away all of your poo poo and puts you in an intensely crappy place. Scrounging up a halfway-usable knife and tying it to a stick to make a spear is actually helpful in that scenario when you don't have a Fat Man for every day of the week in your inventory.
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I have to say, the whole "obsidian made a better game lol bethesda" is the dumbest thing in this thread so far. Already having a tuned engine, and access to the previous games assets? Duh you're going to have more time to add new ideas and fine tune gameplay. As hilariously broken Beth games can get, they use new/modified engines every time and create brand new assets for these giant rear end games. And add in way more interactive features than W3 dreamt of having. I'd rather have customizable weapons and layer able armor than Witchers pretty grass.
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Nasgate posted:I have to say, the whole "obsidian made a better game lol bethesda" is the dumbest thing in this thread so far. Obsidian did make a better game. Yeah, they had a lot of the work done for them already, I don't think anyone's denying it. And of the two, I preferred DC to Vegas when it came to environment. But I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that FO3 had better story or characters.
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Nov 1, 2015 23:15
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What a fantastic and true dichotomy
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Nasgate posted:I have to say, the whole "obsidian made a better game lol bethesda" is the dumbest thing in this thread so far. Hmmm, I'm pretty sure Bethesda's writers and quest designers aren't the ones coding the engine or doing art assets, so actually they still suck, sorry.
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Fish Fry Andy posted:Hmmm, I'm pretty sure Bethesda's writers and quest designers aren't the ones coding the engine or doing art assets, so actually they still suck, sorry. Whatever happened to that quest designer who made the Dark Brotherhood quests in Oblivion? That guy was the best
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Nov 1, 2015 23:20
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Nasgate posted:I have to say, the whole "obsidian made a better game lol bethesda" is the dumbest thing in this thread so far. But seriously- things like random-result dialog checks aren't easier to implement than threshold checks. That's a just decision, not an extra feature. Obsidian had a huge advantage over Fallout 3 because they could see where systems went wrong (including the story) and spend all their time fixing them, and that's fine. Not much of a scathing criticism of Bethesda to say New Vegas is an improvement on 3, because in that case Obsidian had every advantage. It becomes "lol Bethesda is garbage" when they go back and make the same drat mistakes Fallout 3 did and New Vegas fixed. Because I guess they weren't mistakes, Bethesda just wanted to make a lovely game. Or to be more fair they have different values, and I happen to like Obsidian's values a lot more. (Fallout 4 might be way better than Fallout 3- I don't know, I haven't played it. But it's already got some questionable decisions in there.)
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Nov 1, 2015 23:23
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I'll be curious to find out if you can target individual body parts with melee/unarmed in VATS this time around. I want to punch faces, dammit!
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Nov 1, 2015 23:25
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Nasgate posted:I have to say, the whole "obsidian made a better game lol bethesda" is the dumbest thing in this thread so far. Having the engine and assets is why New Vegas could be made by less people than a normal Bethesda game in far less time.
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Nov 1, 2015 23:27
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graynull posted:I'll be curious to find out if you can target individual body parts with melee/unarmed in VATS this time around. I want to punch faces, dammit! You'll need the STR 4 perk that lets you mod melee weapons so you can attach a scope to your fists
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Nov 1, 2015 23:28
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sout posted:You'll need the STR 4 perk that lets you mod melee weapons so you can attach a scope to your fists Don't you mean buzzsaws to a bat?
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Nov 1, 2015 23:31
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2house2fly posted:Having the engine and assets is why New Vegas could be made by less people than a normal Bethesda game in far less time. Does that really count if they still released the game unfinished and spent the entire DLC cycle and a little after patching and balancing and fixing? Bethesda does the same thing, true, but having the engine and assets already there didn't seem to help Obsidian in that regard at all.
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Nov 1, 2015 23:32
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sout posted:You'll need the STR 4 perk that lets you mod melee weapons so you can attach a scope to your fists Scoping your fists would be stupid. You need to put laser sights on your knuckles. With 60 medicine skill you can integrate them into your fist like wolverine's claws.
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Nov 1, 2015 23:33
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PirateBob posted:This guy on NeoGAF actually has a point lol. What I love about this comparison is that the top screenshot is clearly the PC version, so all it shows is that the PS4 is equivalent to a 7 year old PC.
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Nov 1, 2015 23:35
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If you're an android then a rocket punch is more than reasonable.
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Nov 1, 2015 23:36
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sout posted:You'll need the STR 4 perk that lets you mod melee weapons so you can attach a scope to your fists you can already mod melee weapons just like guns, but in case you were referring to just body mods in general, agreed, and also I want to have a robo-hand that folds up and becomes a cannon
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computer parts posted:What I love about this comparison is that the top screenshot is clearly the PC version, so all it shows is that the PS4 is equivalent to a 7 year old PC. Precisely why I don't give a gently caress about the screenshots that have been released to date. I don't care what this game looks like on a console because I have no intention of playing it on one. I'm more concerned about the same wonky rear end memory issues that FO3, NV and Skyrim had but they can be fixed quite easily if they do pop up.
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Nov 1, 2015 23:41
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I want to mod my head to have a buzzsaw in it so I can to +3 damage to mole rats when I headbutt them.
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Nov 1, 2015 23:42
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I'm going to mod my head to be a grenade
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Nov 1, 2015 23:43
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computer parts posted:What I love about this comparison is that the top screenshot is clearly the PC version, so all it shows is that the PS4 is equivalent to a 7 year old PC. I personally love the really lovely Fallout 3 rocks.
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Nov 1, 2015 23:44
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Magmarashi posted:Does that really count if they still released the game unfinished and spent the entire DLC cycle and a little after patching and balancing and fixing? Bethesda does the same thing, true, but having the engine and assets already there didn't seem to help Obsidian in that regard at all. By "they" you must mean Bethesda since they were responsible for both the game's QA process and its release date. In which case you're right, Bethesda does do the same thing as Bethesda.
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Nov 1, 2015 23:52
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As I understand it Bethesda did QA meaning they identified the bugs and then Obsidian fixed them. Probably having a smaller team didn't let them get that done any quicker than Bethesda.
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Nov 1, 2015 23:57
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I ain't pre-loaded a steam game before, am I right in thinking if fallout 4 is downloaded I can use a kiwi/Aussie vpn to unlock the game at ~4p.m. GMT on the 9th? Or are they taking steps to prevent that this time round?
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Kanfy posted:By "they" you must mean Bethesda since they were responsible for both the game's QA process and its release date. In which case you're right, Bethesda does do the same thing as Bethesda. My point is that Obsidian didn't have to do a significant portion of the major lifting in creating a brand new game, and they still pushed out a game that required a great deal of tweaking and fixing post release in the same way that Bethesda-developed titles do.
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Nov 1, 2015 23:59
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Who here is excited for the video game?
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Noctis Horrendae posted:Who here is excited for the video game? *.jpg of squinting dude with a bunch of question marks over his head*
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Noctis Horrendae posted:Who here is excited for the video game? This thread is about a video game?
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RentACop posted:*.jpg of squinting dude with a bunch of question marks over his head* 
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Magmarashi posted:My point is that Obsidian didn't have to do a significant portion of the major lifting in creating a brand new game, and they still pushed out a game that required a great deal of tweaking and fixing post release in the same way that Bethesda-developed titles do. Nobody said they made a more stable game than Bethesda.
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Nov 2, 2015 00:08
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Noctis Horrendae posted:Who here is excited for the video game? hell, I am
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Babe Magnet posted:hell, I am
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Nov 2, 2015 00:17
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Why are you guys arguing about who made the best video game What does the winner get in this argument
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Nov 2, 2015 00:18
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I'm going to play fallout
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I'm going to take fun perks and play gimmick characters
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Nov 2, 2015 00:19
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Like a really lucky idiot guy I'll call him Mr Bean
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Nov 2, 2015 00:19
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Funky Valentine posted:I personally love the really lovely Fallout 3 rocks. Some have things in them.
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Nov 2, 2015 00:20
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Babe Magnet posted:Like hell I am
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Still no full list of perks yet? Lazy leakers. All they have to do is screenshot them on PS4, throw them on a thumbdrive, and then upload the whole folder to an imgur album. No organization necessary since the rest of the internet will take care of that.
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Eonwe posted:Why are you guys arguing about who made the best video game I think Bethesda wins all the money
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