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straight up brolic posted:who cares? if you didn't want to do the above and you were at-will employee you would have no ethical or contractual obligation to do so. "gently caress you, got mine."
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So It Goes posted:"gently caress you, got mine." Not really, just exercising the same rights the company has.
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Jummy posted:Not really, just exercising the same rights the company has. My company has frequent layoffs, but they do so with fairly generous severances. They don't need to do that either, but they do because it's not a dick move. I'd give them the same courtesy, because it's not a dick move.
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Lockback posted:My company has frequent layoffs, but they do so with fairly generous severances. They don't need to do that either, but they do because it's not a dick move. I'd give them the same courtesy, because it's not a dick move. The hospital I mentioned earlier fired an employee because they refused to sign a contract for "voluntary" training. gently caress 'em.
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Jummy posted:Not really, just exercising the same rights the company has. ESPN almost certainly would have given severance upon termination. If you hate your employer, then sure do whatever, no one is arguing it is a legal requirement or anything. The whole context of how that came up is with the Grantland writers, and those people intentionally not giving notice at Simmons request (assuming that article is even true, which to be fair might not be) doesn't screw over ESPN who doesn't give a poo poo and was apparently ready for Grantland to end, it screws over Grantland itself, especially the remaining staff that now needs to work extra to do their editing jobs, or publish unedited articles or something. All I ever said to start this was, taking the deadspin article at face value, it is a "douche move" to request your new hires specifically not to give notice of there imminent depature. Can't believe how controversial that is, or why some people keep talking about contractual and legal obligations, when all I ever said was its a "douche move". Dutchy posted:I don't think I've ever seen someone do the "gently caress you got mine" thing where the "you" in question is a gigantic corporation Do you consider Grantland a gigantic corporation? Do you really think not giving notice of incoming staffage shortage doesn't hurt Grantland? So It Goes fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Nov 1, 2015 |
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So It Goes posted:"gently caress you, got mine." I don't think I've ever seen someone do the "gently caress you got mine" thing where the "you" in question is a gigantic corporation
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Dutchy posted:I don't think I've ever seen someone do the "gently caress you got mine" thing where the "you" in question is a gigantic corporation Eh, in this situation, you can also group former co-workers into that, too. Which is kinda lovely.
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Because they're not on contract. Plus maybe they knew it was getting shut down. At will means there is literally no security.
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So It Goes posted:"gently caress you, got mine." straight up brolic fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Nov 2, 2015 |
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zakharov posted:I left my last job on amicable terms, and gave notice so I could prepare for the next person to take over and make sure that my coworkers were ready for the interim period. Maybe the nonprofit world is less full of assholes? Non-profit world is definitely full of assholes. The way you leave depends on your personal circumstances, I'm in what I think is a very good situation and would do my best to accommodate my department but know other people in the company who wouldn't and don't think they're wrong.
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leokitty posted:Non-profit world is definitely full of assholes. God, it is. I spent two years working part-time doing online marketing for a local non-profit, and one Friday morning I got called into HR and was informed they were merging my position with IT for a new full-time position, because ... well, they both involve computers, so clearly that makes sense.  I wound up working there for another two and a half months before moving to Baltimore for a new gig because they had no concept of how monstrously stupid it was to imagine that managing a complex IT system was in no way a complementary skill set to drafting and implementing marketing strategies, and couldn't get anyone to interview for the job. I don't think they filled it until three or four months after I left, and that dude left after like six months. Last I heard they split the positions again. Timby fucked around with this message at 04:26 on Nov 2, 2015 |
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Worked at a non-profit for three years. Worked my way up from intern to a full-time employee. Was advised I was let go due to budget cuts from the economic mess in ~2009 via a loving letter
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Spoeank posted:Worked at a non-profit for three years. Worked my way up from intern to a full-time employee. Was advised I was let go due to budget cuts from the economic mess in ~2009 via a loving letter Hell, I've been working at a hotel for more than a year but had to go on FMLA due to some really severe health issues. Under FMLA, your job is protected during the entire time you're on leave; your employer doesn't pay you and your income is from short-term disability insurance, similar to maternity leave. Two days after I went back to work, I got a letter saying that I was out of a job. At-will employment. 
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Timby posted:Two days after I went back to work, I got a letter saying that I was out of a job. At-will employment. I'm not a lawyer but did you talk to one? I'm pretty sure that's a flagrant flouting of the FMLA that they'd have a hard time justifying in court. The FMLA and its ilk supersede at-will employment.
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You can lose your job on flma. Anyways he wasn't on flma when he was fired.
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how about a sunday night dump James Andrew Miller @JimMiller John Skipper met w/ @ChrisConnelly away from @espn offices to tell him @Grantland33 was over 1 week before staff & public were informed.
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Vertical Lime posted:how about a sunday night dump Looks like Chris won't be on the Bill Simmons Podcast any time soon.
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Well that's not, but reading between the lines rather a lot on the podcast with Wesley Morris you do get the sense that there could exist some tension between Simmons and Connelly. What with Simmons talking about the conversation he and Morris had shortly before he got canned; how things were going to play out lined up with how they did play out. But that could also be reading non-existent tea leaves.
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howe_sam posted:Well that's not, but reading between the lines rather a lot on the podcast with Wesley Morris you do get the sense that there could exist some tension between Simmons and Connelly. What with Simmons talking about the conversation he and Morris had shortly before he got canned; how things were going to play out lined up with how they did play out. But that could also be reading non-existent tea leaves. I got that sense too.
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Ribsauce posted:Amazon is pretty close to this actually, for both their warehouse and "white collar" staff. They track everything. I've heard this too. I've met dozens of people that have worked for Amazon and all but a few hated it. The only ones that didn't only liked it because of "all the overtime" (mandatory OT there which is a huge negative at least in my eyes). I work a blue collar factory job and spend half of my shift on my cell phone and nobody ever bothers me as long as I do my work. There is also OT available every day if I want it, and if I don't they simply ask the next person in line. It's not glamorous but god drat do I feel lucky compared to people working at a place like Amazon.
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howe_sam posted:Well that's not, but reading between the lines rather a lot on the podcast with Wesley Morris you do get the sense that there could exist some tension between Simmons and Connelly. What with Simmons talking about the conversation he and Morris had shortly before he got canned; how things were going to play out lined up with how they did play out. But that could also be reading non-existent tea leaves. I got that sense too.
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Ty1990 posted:I've heard this too. I've met dozens of people that have worked for Amazon and all but a few hated it. This is the future, where corporations like Google and Facebook expect female employees to freeze their eggs so they don't have their important careers interrupted by pesky babies. And Amazon's working conditions are known by everyone to be terrible. They're getting sued over it, and their response to the lawsuit was to release the suing employees' personnel reviews saying "look, they were bad employees anyway, of course they're gonna be mad we fired them!"
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FlamingLiberal posted:I'm not sure why, especially after the Whitlock experiment was a disaster. But at least they're trying? It's still unclear if the site is going to tackle actual issues or not. I tend to think no. Race talk can get clicks. Especially race talk in sports.
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soggybagel posted:What if Michael Vick was white? probably would have been rottweilers not pits
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Chris Connelly speaks! Interesting read, especially the part where he says the four editors who left did give two weeks notice: quote:They gave us two weeks notice, as they should have done. I don’t know anything about that report, but these are classy people, Mallory Rubin, Sean Fennessey, Juliet Litman and Chris Ryan.They are all good people who did amazing work at Grantland. I was very sad to lose them and the site was sad to lose them. I thought all along it was important that we acknowledge the great work they did.
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howe_sam posted:Chris Connelly speaks! I am sure ESPN immediately went out and hired four editors for the publication they were about to shutter, so the remaining editors were not overtaxed.
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midwat posted:I am sure ESPN immediately went out and hired four editors for the publication they were about to shutter, so the remaining editors were not overtaxed. Official replay was, "Editors? I thought we got rid of all of them in the last purge before this last one?" e- didn't mean to screw up the sentence but gently caress it it works
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the idea that grantland got shut down because the editorial staff blindsided espn with their resignations was ridiculous anyways. even if the four who left to go work with simmons didn't give notice grantland was losing rembert browne, andy greenwald, dan fierman, wesley morris and probably others who did give notice and they seemingly made no attempt to replace them. the writing was on the wall
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R.D. Mangles posted:Man, it would really be good for this thread for Whitlock to say something dumb right about now. "Showing up to work is an important part of going to work." --Jason Whitlock
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Parlett316 posted:So this proves that Deadspin is full of poo poo This proves that using a single anonymous source is generally a bad idea.
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Henchman of Santa posted:This proves that using a single anonymous source is generally a bad idea. Sure, if your intent is accurate reporting. If your intent is generating clicks, however...
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Parlett316 posted:So this proves that Deadspin is full of poo poo Rough couple weeks for Greg Howard.
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howe_sam posted:Chris Connelly speaks! I wonder if he is e-mailing Bill Simmons now saying Craggs inserted that line about no two week notice being given.
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Niwrad posted:Rough couple weeks for Greg Howard. Whitlock Was Right
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Ribsauce posted:Next time Greg Howard lets someone ghost write a press release for him to publish maybe he should fact check it. At the very least Deadspin should be smart enough to make their headlines say something like "Source: Grantland died because yadda yadda" instead of "How Grantland Died." I feel like there wouldn't be a huge drop in clicks because of that.
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Henchman of Santa posted:At the very least Deadspin should be smart enough to make their headlines say something like "Source: Grantland died because yadda yadda" instead of "How Grantland Died." I feel like there wouldn't be a huge drop in clicks because of that. At this point, Gawker as a whole seems to have thrown caution to the wind and has just said "gently caress it" about using any sort of tact or common sense which probably means the Hogan suit hits them soon. It's not to say they haven't before, but at this point it seems like they're past the point of giving a poo poo at all.
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