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Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS

Baudin posted:

I'll post a more complete post mortem later, once I get home but I just wanted to address this: it did not help to not border Spain. They declared war for colonies rapidly once I evac'd from north Africa, which is actually why I'm so frustrated. I'll try the 'stay in Europe option' if I can ever get the right start.

Many thanks guys, much appreciated.

Once they've picked up the Finish The Reconquista mission they will not stop hunting you down until you're gone from the game. That's why I prefer the stand and fight method because you take a chunk out of Castille which weakens them and lowers the chance of them attacking you plus Portugal and Aragon react like normal nations, massive Aggressive Expansion modifiers aside.

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Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

420 Gank Mid posted:

What they all have in common is they have bonuses to Army Tradition (quantity through a policy with Humanism) which if you are playing as the Ottomans and started the Jannisaries (which you almost always should) you will get disasters later on that can be prevented by keeping a high Army Tradition and also they are just really strong idea groups for countries that plan on constant expansion like the Ottos

If you intend to do this, I think you're actually better off going with Quantity. It doesn't directly give you any army tradition, but it lets you wage war far more often, and that will get you a lot more army tradition than the +1/year either Quality or Defensive will get you.

Of course, the best way to avoid the Janissary disaster is to become a republic. Having over 70 army tradition will only pause the progress of the disaster, but having a ruler with a 5 in any stat is the only way to reset it.

Jazerus
May 24, 2011


Strudel Man posted:

One thing I don't feel like I completely get in this game is that it seems like AI nations can always sustain a far larger army than I can under the same circumstances.

Like, I'm the Hansa fighting Pommerania, who right now is half occupied by rebels of one stripe or another. His army is identical to mine - eight infantry, four cavalry. But his force limit right now (from the ledger) is only ten, so he's two over. My army, under MY force limit, is costing me 3.83 ducats a month, and his income, checking the ledger, is 3.37. Yet he's happily holding on to his forces. Is he just constantly going deeper and deeper into debt right now, or what? And if so, how on earth can the AI nations do that and somehow still have buildings in every slot when I finally manage to take their provinces?

Yep, he's going into massive debt. You can see just how silly the AI gets with loans in a few places, like the Call to Arms modifiers. Buildings are not especially expensive in the grand scheme of things, so the AI generally manages to build them, but they will go to great lengths in a truly ruinous war to fight back using tons of loans in ways you don't necessarily expect.

Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS
In one of my Granada attempts, Castille managed to bankrupt itself fighting me which is probably the most satisfying thing ever.

Strudel Man
May 19, 2003
ROME DID NOT HAVE ROBOTS, FUCKWIT
Is there any way to get a country to stop supporting independence in one of your vassals? Munster was juuuust over 50% and trending downwards, so I ignored it - then both England and Sweden decided to support their independence, giving them a nice +150% liberty desire from relative power.

And I sure as hell can't beat England and Scandi-Sweden at the same time. :|

edit: Aaand, yeah, they're attacking me as soon as the truce ends. Glsdmc.

Strudel Man fucked around with this message at 04:25 on Nov 2, 2015

Elendil004
Mar 22, 2003

The prognosis
is not good.


Any good mods outside the extended timeline one? Looking for something different.

buglord
Jul 31, 2010

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!

Buglord

Elendil004 posted:

Any good mods outside the extended timeline one? Looking for something different.

relatedly, are there any mods out there that extend the timeline but dont add a whole buncha content? Or does Extended Timeline keep it sasne?

Roadie
Jun 30, 2013

Strudel Man posted:

edit: Aaand, yeah, they're attacking me as soon as the truce ends. Glsdmc.

You could release Munster, then conquer them again later?

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Jazerus posted:

Yep, he's going into massive debt. You can see just how silly the AI gets with loans in a few places, like the Call to Arms modifiers. Buildings are not especially expensive in the grand scheme of things, so the AI generally manages to build them, but they will go to great lengths in a truly ruinous war to fight back using tons of loans in ways you don't necessarily expect.

Milan: will not join a war with you, because: is in debt until the 2650s.

Strudel Man
May 19, 2003
ROME DID NOT HAVE ROBOTS, FUCKWIT

Roadie posted:

You could release Munster, then conquer them again later?
I was thinking about that, though it's a waste of 15 years or so of aggressive expansion.

However, when I reloaded an earlier save, England dropped me as a rival, and was willing to ally with me. Though Burgundy jumped into the support game, when Munster declared this time, I was able to beat back Burgundy's attack while holding Sweden back at Skane. Ha ha.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Reloading a save almost always scrambles the diplomatic AI. I'd actually consider that an exploit.

Node
May 20, 2001

KICKED IN THE COOTER
:dings:
Taco Defender

Baudin posted:

I'll post a more complete post mortem later, once I get home but I just wanted to address this: it did not help to not border Spain. They declared war for colonies rapidly once I evac'd from north Africa, which is actually why I'm so frustrated. I'll try the 'stay in Europe option' if I can ever get the right start.

Many thanks guys, much appreciated.

You're a better player, or at least much more patient, than I am if you can stay in Europe and kick the Spanish in the teeth. When I was trying the achievement I did not even consider it possible in this version of the game.

Strudel Man
May 19, 2003
ROME DID NOT HAVE ROBOTS, FUCKWIT

Fister Roboto posted:

Reloading a save almost always scrambles the diplomatic AI. I'd actually consider that an exploit.
Yeah, well, that's not particularly high of a concern for me. v:shobon:v

Baudin
Dec 31, 2009

Node posted:

You're a better player, or at least much more patient, than I am if you can stay in Europe and kick the Spanish in the teeth. When I was trying the achievement I did not even consider it possible in this version of the game.

I know it's possible - I had a similar early game similar to Eej where I was able to punch Castille hard in the teeth and took quite a few provinces. Unfortunately it fell apart later on - which has led to my current obsession with Granada.

This is the "run away" game I currently have running. I had a decent holding in the islands before Spain came calling:


e: in this save I'm currently westernizing.

Strudel Man
May 19, 2003
ROME DID NOT HAVE ROBOTS, FUCKWIT
Why do forts sometimes not retake provinces? Like, this situation here. It's within the zone of control, nothing is being actively occupied, so...?

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Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS

Baudin posted:

I know it's possible - I had a similar early game similar to Eej where I was able to punch Castille hard in the teeth and took quite a few provinces. Unfortunately it fell apart later on - which has led to my current obsession with Granada.

This is the "run away" game I currently have running. I had a decent holding in the islands before Spain came calling:


e: in this save I'm currently westernizing.



This was how all my good starts looked like. This one I already swapped to Catholic but like I said before, you can secure France's help if they rivaled Castille and you grease some palms with gifts. Allying with Morocco for the long term is a liability though because Portugal is going to get one of their Kill Morocco missions and you will be dragged into it, which is bad of course because Portugal and Aragon will gang up on you first before trying to do an amphibious invasion of North Africa. What I did find helpful, though, is using the Morocco + Tunis alliance to do literally all the work of beating up Tlemcen for me and vassalizing them. After which you can throw away your alliance with Morocco. When Portugal + Aragon do end up invading North Africa, you can wait for them to ship their armies across and then declare on Portugal and grab as much as you can while their armies are stuck across the sea.

Don't do this though.



I forgot that Historic Rivals have a +50% Liberty modifier so while it was hilarious to vassalize Castille after all that poo poo they put me through over so many attempts, you'll never be able to integrate them anytime soon. I ended up having to release and annex aggressively which was a huge waste of time.

abske_fides
Apr 20, 2010

Node posted:

Yep, hover over the aggressive expansion in the peace deal. Anyone that shows up will have more than 30 AE against you, and can ~potentially~ join a coalition against you. If only a couple are there, no big deal, but if the entire continent of Europe could potentially join a coalition, you probably want to be taking less in your peace deal. Unless you think you can handle fighting them all at once, of course.

Thanks for the tips guys! How do most people ending up having pretty big empires in the HRE though then, since it'll take an eternity just to conquer any small territory.

Node
May 20, 2001

KICKED IN THE COOTER
:dings:
Taco Defender

abske_fides posted:

Thanks for the tips guys! How do most people ending up having pretty big empires in the HRE though then, since it'll take an eternity just to conquer any small territory.

Conquer in opposite directions, have Influence ideas to reduce AE, hire a Diplomat to increase better relations over time, ally with the big powers so they don't care too much about your AE. You can keep taking off bigger and bigger bites until it doesn't matter anymore.

stranger danger
May 24, 2006

Avocados posted:

relatedly, are there any mods out there that extend the timeline but dont add a whole buncha content? Or does Extended Timeline keep it sasne?

If you only want to extend the end date you can go to EU IV/common/defines.lua and change the end date. I think it messes with some stuff like goods prices but overall things work pretty well.

MrBling
Aug 21, 2003

Oozing machismo

Strudel Man posted:

Why do forts sometimes not retake provinces? Like, this situation here. It's within the zone of control, nothing is being actively occupied, so...?



Is the fort obsolete? Thats the only reason I can think of that would cause it.

Strudel Man
May 19, 2003
ROME DID NOT HAVE ROBOTS, FUCKWIT

MrBling posted:

Is the fort obsolete? Thats the only reason I can think of that would cause it.
Hm, it might well have been. I didn't realize that that ended their ability to recapture provinces.

YoSaff
Feb 13, 2012

Everything is fine.
My Emperor-Bohemia has just won two big wars but I've got no manpower, three or four loans, and I now share a border with Wien so I have no way of knowing if Austria is gathering troops on the border to attack me or just gathering troops in their capital, which is kinda disconcerting.

Acute Grill
Dec 9, 2011

Chomp
So I broke my policy of only playing small to medium powers or historical losers and decided to play an Ottomans game.

Holy poo poo. I feel like I'm cheating.

Tahirovic
Feb 25, 2009
Fun Shoe
What's the up to date strat to become a republic as the Ottomans?

Do we have a more accurate release date for the next expansion, because I kinda want to start an Ottoman game but that could last a while.

Wiz
May 16, 2004

Nap Ghost

MrBling posted:

Is the fort obsolete? Thats the only reason I can think of that would cause it.

It's a bug. Fixed in 1.14.

GenderSelectScreen
Mar 7, 2010

I DON'T KNOW EITHER DON'T ASK ME
College Slice
I was wondering if the upcoming estates system was going to be used to model political parties in emerging democracies, like the US.

Dibujante
Jul 27, 2004

Wiz posted:

It's a bug. Fixed in 1.14.

Give me 1.14 so I can feel human again.

Poil
Mar 17, 2007

I wonder what kind of factions the hordes get. The loot and pillage faction and the pillage and loot faction are at each others throats again my khan.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

They could get factions based on your potential heirs.

Strudel Man
May 19, 2003
ROME DID NOT HAVE ROBOTS, FUCKWIT

Tahirovic posted:

What's the up to date strat to become a republic as the Ottomans?
I did it once by the officialish method of completing influence + aristocratic ideas, giving away provinces to vassals until I was under 20, and taking the decision to become a noble republic. But it might actually be simpler (though less reliable) to simply take aristocratic ideas and wait for the event spawning revolutionary rebels.

Funky Valentine
Feb 26, 2014

Dojyaa~an

Hitlers Gay Secret posted:

I was wondering if the upcoming estates system was going to be used to model political parties in emerging democracies, like the US.

Federalists
Antifederalists
Tory Bootlickers

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Strudel Man posted:

But it might actually be simpler (though less reliable) to simply take aristocratic ideas and wait for the event spawning revolutionary rebels.

This is probably the best way to do it, since you don't even need to commit MIL points to the idea group to get the event. Unfortunately it's very unreliable, with a 1 in 13 chance of getting it every five years (even less if you have more idea groups unlocked).

Acute Grill
Dec 9, 2011

Chomp

Fister Roboto posted:

This is probably the best way to do it, since you don't even need to commit MIL points to the idea group to get the event. Unfortunately it's very unreliable, with a 1 in 13 chance of getting it every five years (even less if you have more idea groups unlocked).

Not to mention how touchy letting Rebels take over can be. Vassals and Allies will lose their entire armies to attrition to get to fight that lovely 6-stack and the rebels aren't actually in any sort of hurry to win.

It's the cheapest way to do it but I'm not entirely sure it's the best.

GenderSelectScreen
Mar 7, 2010

I DON'T KNOW EITHER DON'T ASK ME
College Slice

Funky Valentine posted:

Federalists
Antifederalists
Tory Bootlickers

Damnit, I meant like House, Senate and Judicial. :doh: Not political parties, god daylight savings time has hosed up my mornings.

GSD
May 10, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
My president!

The Supreme Court demands more provinces!

Fidel Cuckstro
Jul 2, 2007

Any suggestions on worthwhile things to do while you're waiting for your "took unlawful territories" and "annexed a member of the HRE" negative modifiers to drop over a few decades?

I feel like I maybe dug myself a hole- I went protestant in my Cologne/Westphalia game, but the centers of Protestantism are Denmark (already swallowed up by Sweden), Savoy and a pretty derpy Brandenberg. I have a feeling the League War is not going to go well...

GenderSelectScreen
Mar 7, 2010

I DON'T KNOW EITHER DON'T ASK ME
College Slice

GSD posted:

My president!

The Supreme Court demands more provinces!

I mean, it's not perfect, but I think it would work a lot better than (forgive me, I can't remember them all off the top of my head) the Rich class, the Church class, and the Merchant class, especially considering the whole "Separation of Church and State" thing.

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



We have a modern day Church class though, it's called Southern Republicans?

deathbagel
Jun 10, 2008

Hitlers Gay Secret posted:

I mean, it's not perfect, but I think it would work a lot better than (forgive me, I can't remember them all off the top of my head) the Rich class, the Church class, and the Merchant class, especially considering the whole "Separation of Church and State" thing.

To be more accurate for the US it should be the factions of "The Rich" "The Richer" and "The Ultra-Rich"

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Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS

GSD posted:

My president!

The Supreme Court demands more provinces!

Usage of the Presidential Veto decreases Republican Tradition but increases Legitimacy.

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