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Rhesus Pieces posted:He just looks drained now. Every photo of him lately has a middle-distance stare and a fake smile like someone's jamming a gun into his back. At this point, I think he's just looking for the most graceful (or most spiteful?) way to bow out without burning up the last ember of his family's reputation.
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Flip Yr Wig posted:At this point, I think he's just looking for the most graceful (or most spiteful?) way to bow out without burning up the last ember of his family's reputation.
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Washington Post has coverage of a recent meeting by representatives of the Republican candidates, discussing how they want the next debate to be run. Bear in mind this fairly unprecedented leak is almost certainly from one or several of the "lower card" campaigns.quote:According to the sources in the room, Diaz [Jeb Bush's rep] did not say much. He did not chime in when other campaigns shot down the idea of splitting the debates into two randomly-selected contests of seven candidates each, and he did not interrupt as others agreed that Fox Business, the next debate host, could do as it liked. He spoke up only to say that a planned February debate with NBC News, the one "suspended" by the Republican National Committee, needed to be salvaged. The debate partner was supposed to be Telemundo, and Republicans could not stiff the only Spanish-language network allowed into the cycle. quote:Even Ben Ginsberg, the unaffiliated super-lawyer invited to moderate the meeting, began by criticizing the RNC. "In previous years, the debate were much better run," Ginsberg said, according to attendees. Also, have a transcript of the draft letter to news stations that came out of that meeting. Enjoy the middle school composition skills. A choice quote from the list of demands: quote: Will you commit that you will not: How on earth are they only figuring this stuff out now?
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quote:@costareports: SCOOP: Trump to deal directly w/ networks, blowing up group GOP debate effort, with @daveweigel https://t.co/3bwnsMP1mG Hahahaha what a goddamn shitshow.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Carson is here in town doing a booksigning today but I have no desire whatsoever to go. He's doing one in Sarasota on the 4th, maybe I'll go if there's a liberal demonstration of some sort. How can anyone take him seriously if he takes 2 weeks off the campaign trail to hock a bullshit political book?
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Mojo Threepwood posted:40% of all upcoming book signings at Costcos nationwide are Dr. Ben Carson: http://m.costco.com/author-signings.html Costco has book signings?
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Discendo Vox posted:Washington Post has coverage of a recent meeting by representatives of the Republican candidates, discussing how they want the next debate to be run. Bear in mind this fairly unprecedented leak is almost certainly from one or several of the "lower card" campaigns. Your quote of the letter is wrong In the actual letter they spell "lightning" as "lightening" twice
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To be fair though Trump is not being a idiot. He's negotiating from a place of power. What he's doing is actually incredibly smart.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Hahahaha what a goddamn shitshow. "The party decides"... Unless the party has completely gone to poo poo and cratered. Really never expected to see something like this.
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There's no deciding anything Trump obviously has the ability to dictate to networks who only care about ratings. If you don't think his running hasn't had an effect on viewership then that is just crazy.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Hahahaha what a goddamn shitshow. so he's negotiating on behalf of all the candidates? sort of like a union rep or something?
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Nov 2, 2015 21:55
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Rhesus Pieces posted:Hahahaha what a goddamn shitshow. About time. Here's how you do this: - Trump demands the cut-off be 8% leaving the field occupied with only Cruz, Rubio, Carson, and himself. - The network says no. - Trump says fine, I won't show. - On the night of the debate, Trump airs an hour-long infomercial on a competing channel about himself. - When the ratings blow the debate out of the water, he destroys everyone in one fell swoop.
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Hollismason posted:To be fair though Trump is not being a idiot. He's negotiating from a place of power. What he's doing is actually incredibly smart. At the cost of pissing off the donor class and the political class (and the other campaigns.) Even if he wins the primary without them, which I still find dubious, you can bet your rear end that alot of them won't be jazzed to help him out against Hillary, who will have the full power of the Democrat Party and subsidiary organs behindher.
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His only goal is to be the Primary candidate for the Republican party though and raise awareness of himself. Also apparently to gently caress Bush.
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Is Trump even the frontrunner anymore? e: I mean he's still two at worst and the overall ratings draw, but I'm just wondering. I haven't been able to keep up with polls because school.
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In some States he is in others it's Carson. Trump could lose I think half his numbers and he'd still be ahead and in like 3rd. I like Huffpost because it's a aggregate http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-gop-primary Pollster Trend Donald Trump 31.0% Ben Carson 23.0% Marco Rubio 8.5% Jeb Bush 7.5% Ted Cruz 5.5% Carly Fiorina 3.8% John Kasich 3.0% Mike Huckabee 2.7% Rand Paul 2.7% Chris Christie 2.1% Bobby Jindal 1.1% Lindsey Graham 1.0% Hollismason fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Nov 2, 2015 |
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Fried Chicken posted:Man, it's too bad Scott Walker couldn't get in on the candidates' collective petition for better working conditions. 
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weekly font posted:Is Trump even the frontrunner anymore? Yeah, he's only behind in Iowa, and there hasn't been any polling there since the debates.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:At the cost of pissing off the donor class and the political class (and the other campaigns.) Nahh, they loving hate Hillary and will pretty much fully back literally Hitler if he were to win the nomination. Trump has the GOP and it's donor class by the balls, and I'm actually surprised he's taken this long to start yanking on it.
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Abel Wingnut posted:so he's negotiating on behalf of all the candidates? sort of like a union rep or something? More like a scab.
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Rhesus Pieces posted:He just looks drained now. Every photo of him lately has a middle-distance stare and a fake smile like someone's jamming a gun into his back. This. It's always a bit disturbing to see pictures of presidents before/after their terms. the stress of the job really shows, and fast. Jeb!? seems to be skipping a step and withering visibly even before getting within sniper range of the White House. Did he drink from the wrong Holy grail before he started campaigning?
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Hollismason posted:There's no deciding anything Trump obviously has the ability to dictate to networks who only care about ratings. If you don't think his running hasn't had an effect on viewership then that is just crazy. Yeah, the networks are seeing huge profits thanks to the work the candidates are doing, so the candidates are coming together to negotiate a more equitable working relationship. Shame Scott Walker dropped out, he could have really benefitted from this. BI NOW GAY LATER posted:At the cost of pissing off the donor class and the political class (and the other campaigns.) They already hate him and are committed to opposing him though. Really the plan seems to be hope that a few dozen free spending billionaires can stop a single tight fisted billionaire (dubious, given how the loose spending is a hindrance rather than an asset like they are playing it in this argument) or hope that once Bush drops out/Trump is no longer leading the polls he gets bored and goes home (UFL, Trump Shuttle, etc) Both hinge more on assumptions rather than evidence or work, so who knows.
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Trump defecting completely torpedoes this absurd list of demands, by the way. He's the greatest troll of our time.
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A Winner is Jew posted:Nahh, they loving hate Hillary and will pretty much fully back literally Hitler if he were to win the nomination. I think you're confusing the rank and file voters with the people who run the RNC on a daily basis, and who, under a Trump presidency, would nto have the power they'd like. Instead, they could easily say "well, he can lose, because in 4 years we'll have a better chance of beating Hillary with someone we'll own."
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Fried Chicken posted:Yeah, the networks are seeing huge profits thanks to the work the candidates are doing, so the candidates are coming together to negotiate a more equitable working relationship. Their list of demands aren't a list of demands for a more "equitable" relationship. Their a list of demands from a bunch of pants pissers who want to hide how awful all of their views are at all costs and don't like the idea of being called out for them in front of a national television audience. Please don't pretend that the RNC/Candidates have valid grievances.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:I think you're confusing the rank and file voters with the people who run the RNC on a daily basis, and who, under a Trump presidency, would nto have the power they'd like. Instead, they could easily say "well, he can lose, because in 4 years we'll have a better chance of beating Hillary with someone we'll own." Yeah, but the idea of their supremacy here, that "the party decides" is really getting blown up here. I mean I've been one of the more vocal people saying Bush would be the nominee because of this and the models based on it, but the wheels are really coming off the wagon now and showing how broken the party really is. And here I mean party as the organization, not collective group of interests the party typically represents.
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Again, the solution here is for the networks to say "we don't negotiate with terrorists" but they are all terrified submissive female dogs laying on their backs pissing themselves.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Their list of demands aren't a list of demands for a more "equitable" relationship. Their a list of demands from a bunch of pants pissers who want to hide how awful all of their views are at all costs and don't like the idea of being called out for them in front of a national television audience. I'm gonna go ahead and assume that because I'm in a really weird mental state now (pre-election stress) that my Union joke wasn't as obvious as I assumed it was. Same for the one prior to this one, and the hoodie joke before that, all of which went over like a lead balloon. My bad folks
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zoux posted:Again, the solution here is for the networks to say "we don't negotiate with terrorists" but they are all terrified submissive female dogs laying on their backs pissing themselves. If they said that they'd lose out on their command of debate viewership by old people and alcoholics.
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Radish posted:Jeb! is what rear end in a top hat Boomers and Gen-Xers think Millennials are like with their supposed "everybody gets a trophy" and "I expect to get what I think I deserve right now" attitudes. jeb! is the epitome of A for effort not being a thing that exists in the real world. i absolutely believe jeb! has earnestly and honestly worked to get success in life, it's just that hard work doesn't guarantee success and he seems too hopelessly naive to know that the last line of this article sums it up http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/01/opinion/sunday/fall-of-the-house-of-bush.html quote:Jeb got confused. He thought he was still in an era when people had to pay their dues.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:I think you're confusing the rank and file voters with the people who run the RNC on a daily basis, and who, under a Trump presidency, would nto have the power they'd like. Instead, they could easily say "well, he can lose, because in 4 years we'll have a better chance of beating Hillary with someone we'll own." Outside of Rubio who are they really looking at for 2020? The current crop of republican governor  superstars are all getting their rear end kicked by Trump and the tea party is now being attacked (or at least not supported at all) by the establishment now.Yeah they wouldn't have full control over poo poo with Trump in the white house as opposed to someone like Walker or Jeb!, but Trump is still worlds better than Clinton with so many upcoming vacancies on the bench and while they're still in full control of both the house and senate.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:At the cost of pissing off the donor class and the political class (and the other campaigns.) Does Trump even have any donors? I thought he was doing this all out of his own pockets, which was why no one had any leverage to get rid of him.
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I like the part where Trump and Carson appear out of nowhere around May and suddenly skyrocket to success  This is the best election season ever you guys
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Carson's campaign just came out and said Trump is representing the group, just under his masthead. If you have drunk the kook aid that Trump really is a great businessman and negotiator, and that as the prime ratings draw he has the most leverage it makes sense. If you are thinking as a politician it is idiotic.
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zen death robot posted:I still wonder how much of the NBC boycott is because Trump got his shows kicked off their network. I'd bet it's the telemundo connection with nbc that has most of his opposition
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Montasque posted:NEW Iowa poll from PPP: jeb! below jindal
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I didn't see this mentioned and heard about it on NPR Paul Ryan says Obama can't be trusted on immigration reform Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
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A Winner is Jew posted:Outside of Rubio who are they really looking at for 2020? The current crop of republican governor But there's a big difference between that being plain to see for everyone involved, versus admitting it out loud, especially right now. So you make your threats, hope something sticks, and shore up your options for having some semblance of party control if he makes it into office...and back him enough to win if he gets to the general.
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