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Backhand posted:Hmm. I feel like there's a big gap in player attitudes between Hard and Nightmare. On Hard, people seem fairly laid back and moderately skilled. As soon as you knock it up to Nightmare, it's like flicking a switch: everyone is either textbook-perfectionist or bloody awful, and the perfectionists aren't interested in anything but exploiting, collecting their loot, and leaving without a word. Yeah, grabbed a dude randomly playing hard who did a great job paying attention to us, working with the team and even apologized for leaving us behind but did it when we got mobbed hard and told him to run so we'd get the dice roll. Way better than expected, would pubbies again.
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So on nightmare is the friendly fire for ranged weapons only? I imagine melee friendly fire would be awful.
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Nov 4, 2015 05:38
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This game sometimes. We got narrowly defeated at the lodge in Engines of War after the game dropped a sum total of 3 healing items and 0 bombs the entire run up to that point. We fought as best we could, just, you know, you get worn down with no healing.
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Arcsquad12 posted:So on nightmare is the friendly fire for ranged weapons only? I imagine melee friendly fire would be awful.
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Night10194 posted:This game sometimes. We got narrowly defeated at the lodge in Engines of War after the game dropped a sum total of 3 healing items and 0 bombs the entire run up to that point. We fought as best we could, just, you know, you get worn down with no healing. Ugg. That mission can be a real endurance challenge, more than once I've been in a group that loses people to having few enough heals they get instadead. Luckily you can pick people up, but it stings. Probably worth spleen hugging some ratspears with the worst hurt people at the end so you can pick them up.
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Abandoned Toaster posted:This is bad and I hope it gets patched to just zoom in more with RMB.
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Metos posted:Particularly devastating are the elf's gas bow and the homing arrow bow on a rat ogre as it'll keep spinning around it and murder your party members melee-ing from behind. I have been a victim of gas bows and how much hp it takes out, as if the non-longbows needed to be any worse...
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Nov 4, 2015 06:50
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Trueflight Longbow is the only ranged weapon an elf should be using. If, for some reason, they're stuck playing the elf. The poor fucks.
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Not that I've ever gotten a trueflight bow in the first place, however, I think I would prefer staying with a longbow if only because I want arrows to go where I point. Be it rat face, or friendly butts.
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Ravenfood posted:But more control over zoom distance is nice? I don't always want to super-zoom on everything. Making it the special attack button is just weird though, especially when there's no indication of this and doubly so when it's bound to "mouse extra 1" by default when there's nothing bound to the mouse wheel/middle. Sure I've rebound that key, but most games that have increased zoom do it by just clicking RMB twice (so I never would've figured extra zoom = a special attack) but then again I guess those games have it so zoom is locked until clicked again, not held. Edit: I guess I'm saying I don't necessarily disagree with you just how Fatshark implemented it. Abandoned Toaster fucked around with this message at 09:09 on Nov 4, 2015 |
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Nov 4, 2015 08:30
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Ulvirich posted:Not that I've ever gotten a trueflight bow in the first place, however, I think I would prefer staying with a longbow if only because I want arrows to go where I point. Be it rat face, or friendly butts. Only orange quality bow that I have is a trueflight. It's not terrible, but I'd much rather have a longbow. Trueflight going into rat orbit can really gently caress up a save. It's great for sniping stationary specials, but so is the longbow. Plus the latter has the added advantage of the arrows going, as you say, where you point them to. Being able to curve arrows around corners is pretty nice, but I find it comes in handy much less often than you think. Metos posted:Correct, anything that fits in slot 2 has friendly fire with an exception for the Beam Bright Wizard staff's left click attack and Conflagration's right click, as well as bombs do deal friendly fire too. Particularly devastating are the elf's gas bow and the homing arrow bow on a rat ogre as it'll keep spinning around it and murder your party members melee-ing from behind. In my experience, a carelessly thrown firebomb is the real killer. Those things will gently caress you up. willus posted:i'll readily confess to not having read that thread in like six months and mostly just wanting to call that guy a colossal idiot Except never once have I complained about pubbies, nor bragged about kicking them for no reason, as some goons, for some reason, seem to have gotten it in their head that I have. Neither, apparently(?), do goons in the Payday thread. You wanting to call me an idiot (if indeed it is me you are referring to) for what goes on solely in your imagination is surely indicative of someone being one, but I don't think it's me.
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Gonkish posted:Trueflight Longbow is the only ranged weapon an elf should be using. If, for some reason, they're stuck playing the elf. The poor fucks. That is an amazingly bad opinion you have there
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Snatch Duster posted:That is an amazingly bad opinion you have there Correct no one is ever stuck playing the elf there are 4 other characters you can pick.
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Al Borland posted:Correct no one is ever stuck playing the elf there are 4 other characters you can pick. You are the elf of this thread, just moaning about dumb stuff when you could be killing rats
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Routah posted:You are the elf of this thread, just moaning about dumb stuff when you could be killing rats I'm killing rats, I post between loadings. Also, the elf is indeed dumb.
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Nov 4, 2015 12:09
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gently caress all forms of elf and goon.
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I got a 6-die roll and a 7-die roll tonight.  -6-die snagged me an orange....poison bow with eagle eye / more arrows / 5-10% knockback   also more arrows on the longbow is a godsend, I have nearly as much ammo as the shortbow to plink random rats in the face, but still with the utility to snipe groups if need be -7-die gave me a red hat....for the elf. I mean it looks nice and all, but a white hood/mask with some mini-antlers seems fairly lackluster compared to plumed helmets or a pirate hat, gimme something that will not be visually lost in that furry, bullet-magnet cloak of hers 
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pnutz posted:also more arrows on the longbow is a godsend, I have nearly as much ammo as the shortbow to plink random rats in the face, but still with the utility to snipe groups if need be I'm liking +30% extra ammo and the -40% weapon spread on the longbow that I have. The reduced spread may be relatively minor, however in practice it helps out a great deal with mitigating crosshair bloom. On a different bow, I find that the chance to split arrows makes the crosshairs bloom like crazy, even though at times it comes in pretty clutch when you need to take down a stormvermin, however it's pretty annoying when you're trying to deliver a midrange care package to a clanrat. I'm not entirely sure what a good third would be. Attack speed may counteract the weapon spread trait, maybe bloodlust would be better?
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The elf should straight up get a deer skull hat like the grey seer. maybe even a gray seer's skull Motherfucker fucked around with this message at 13:34 on Nov 4, 2015 |
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Nov 4, 2015 13:26
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pnutz posted:I got a 6-die roll and a 7-die roll tonight. I had a similar experience. Got my first ever 7 roll.... When the 6 roll was my first ever sighting of a Hat icon The weapon I got was a Witch Hunter (good he's my main dude) Crossbow with 30% ammo, 10-15% chance to split and 50% move speed while aiming.  I think that's bad but I dono.
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Move speed while aiming is pretty useless, yeah. Extra ammo isn't bad but isn't anything special, and I honestly don't know about split.
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Two charged up hag bane shots kill a special on nightmare which is better than any other bow I've tried including head shots from a long bow
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Mordja posted:Why will nobody think of the poor pubbie? My group had a pubbie that used all the healing items, still went down all the time and pulled a stormvermin patrol in the middle of combat by running off alone. You can bet we kicked that tosser right before the end. gently caress that guy, the run was 300% harder because he was around. Also a good reason for my friends to go up to hard, because they still want to play normal all the time despite having good gear now, which they assumed they'd need
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I call my exotic wh crossbow with 50%reload and 50% move speed storm vermin slayer
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Split on a crossbow would be pretty good, considering the power on a single bolt, and it naturally pierces.
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That fur poo poo the elf wears causes me to swing every time I see it, because it makes me think she's a rat. Also, why can I not find a group capable of doing White Rat on hard? This isn't Wheat and Chaff 
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Gonkish posted:Trueflight Longbow is the only ranged weapon an elf should be using. If, for some reason, they're stuck playing the elf. The poor fucks. I feel like the trueflight bow is trying to hard to be helpful in finding the next target. I've missed point blank shots on gutter runners because the arrow decided it was going to home in on a rat on the roof behind me. The homing mechanic needs to change where it only homes in a cone vaguely in the direction you are pointing to make it more useful. DeathSandwich fucked around with this message at 14:44 on Nov 4, 2015 |
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Stringbean posted:That fur poo poo the elf wears causes me to swing every time I see it, because it makes me think she's a rat. Set friendly outlines to 'Always On'. It's way better apart from when the green outline overrides the red one on downed players.
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Stringbean posted:That fur poo poo the elf wears causes me to swing every time I see it, because it makes me think she's a rat. White Rat's actually pretty rough too.
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Stringbean posted:That fur poo poo the elf wears causes me to swing every time I see it, because it makes me think she's a rat. I've weapon bashed Kruber once because I thought he was a stormvermin at a certain angle and lighting, and I've lost count of the times I've swung at the elf and dwarf because I thought they were skaven of some type or another. You ain't the only one. 
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My first 7 on the dice and I get my first orange.. which is a trinket that shares my health with anyone else wearing the same thing
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DeathSandwich posted:I feel like the trueflight bow is trying to hard to be helpful in finding the next target. I've missed point blank shots on gutter runners because the arrow decided it was going to home in on a rat on the roof behind me. The homing mechanic needs to change where it only homes in a cone vaguely in the direction you are pointing to make it more useful. at least it doesn't kill you like that scepter in spelunky Motherfucker posted:The elf should straight up get a deer skull hat like the grey seer. not a bad idea
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mirarant posted:My first 7 on the dice and I get my first orange.. which is a trinket that shares my health with anyone else wearing the same thing I want to see a team of people wear that just to see how it fucks people up. What if someone gets thrown into the water, etc.
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pnutz posted:at least it doesn't kill you like that scepter in spelunky https://youtu.be/pYewxmhMxuk?t=24
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mirarant posted:My first 7 on the dice and I get my first orange.. which is a trinket that shares my health with anyone else wearing the same thing Nightmare friendly fire seems to deal the least damage you can take while still losing a bit of your HP bar. I wonder if this trinket will round up and do the regular friendly fire to everyone, or round down and do 0 damage. Either way could be hilarious. Attack on Princess fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Nov 4, 2015 |
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Decided to play with my awesome friend and my 2 newbish-but-have-played-tonnes-of-games friends. Did Hard Horn cause it's easy and gives ok loot as long as no one fucks up and its easily achievable if you have Greens equipped (as Newbish's did). First game went great, we did the beam strat cause awesome friend and I are farming and justify it as saving  . Rolled that orange Crossbow I mentioned earlier. Awesome friend rolled a blue. Newbish's got blues too. Second game went great till we went to jump down from the roof to the lift. One Newbish friend didn't run straight for the hole with the group but tried to hack'n'slash his way through. Died up top. Those of us in the elevator died as the rats swarmed us and we hard to wait for Newbish 1 to bleed out; it didn't happen fast enough. Newbish 1 blamed rats for trapping him. Third game was rough, early Rogre with only one Pot and no Bombs was annoying but we got there though we are on low HP the hole game through. Just as we were clearing the 2nd half of the roof before picking up the 2nd Grim, Newbish 2 runs back to grab the grim with out telling anyone on Skype. We fight a swarm off only to turn around and see his siloute in the Grim room picking up it. As we tell him off for running off with out saying so he gets hook-ratted and starts to die; while we try to get to him the 2nd swarm appears and he dies, glitching out and having his body fall through the world so we can't even get his tome loot (and the grim is lost). Awesome friend and I say just gun it for the tower and start running, but Newbish 1 says he wants the tome and starts heading back; too bad he is on low HP and a Rattling appears. I've already jumped into the tower and Awesome gets taged on the roof by the Rattling as he tries to run to me (having stopped to see if he could shoot the gunner and swarm of Newbish 1 like the hero he is). I solo my way up to the top of the tower, rescue Awesome and Newbish 2 while Newbish 1 gets to AFK cause his rescue point is at the bottom of the lift. We do beam and get out. I roll a blue, Newbish 1 and 2 get a blue each while Awesome missed out on orange 2-Handed Dwarf Axe by 1 dice. Game 4 starts off like game 1 with a few more scrapes with Gas Rats. Inside the Inn we are about to jump over the impassable ramp into the room with the 3rd tome when a swarm triggers. Newbish 2 has already jumped over and Awesome says over Skype for us to all jump in too. Newbish 1 for some reason doesn't run to me, who is standing on the ramp to cover him from snares/assassins, but instead into the room in the inn. And gets swarmed and dies while I desperately hold back the piles of chaff trying not to die myself as I was in the red; in the end I have to abandon his dropped Tome because despite surviving I was also carrying one. We continue to climb the roof/tower and Newbish 2 grabs the grim again with an escort having learnt his lesson promising to be more careful this time. We survive on the beam and as we rush for the lift we are Newbish 2 see's a strength potion he mistakes for a healing potion and picks up; destroying the grim. I get a green, Newbish 1 gets a blue and Newbish 2 gushes over how he just got an orange Trinket with 60% bigger nade explosions. Poor Awesome misses out on his orange by one dice yet again. The moral of the story is just because your friends tell you they know what they are doing; and have constant voice chat on doesn't mean they actually know what they are doing. And now I feel like a total rear end in a top hat for asking Awesome if my mates could join us on our farm runs. Awesome was so chill about it though over Skype but in Steam chat to me he was maximum level frustrated. Also Play Badly, Get Rewarded is real. Between us Awesome and I are level 60 and we have had 1 orange drop. Gridlocked fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Nov 4, 2015 |
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I honestly don't understand repeated failures of basic mechanics comprehension after I assume they got explained to them more than once. Stay with the group, tell people if you're going to go somewhere they aren't, and for the love of god everyone over the one way barrier at once. That's about as simple as try to make sure you open the door before trying to walk through it.
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xthetenth posted:I honestly don't understand repeated failures of basic mechanics comprehension after I assume they got.explained to them more than once. Stay with the group, tell people if you're going to go somewhere they aren't, and for the love of god everyone over the one way barrier at once. That's about as simple as try to make sure you open the door before trying to walk through it. Everything was explained and they are both level 18ish so it's not like we took them with us day 1. I understand a few things such as the Rattling on the roof in game 3 are just really bad luck but still: when the guy who is more experienced than you says "cheese it for the tower" you should cheese it for the tower.
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Massive newbie question: what's the best strategy for dealing with rat ogres? Do you just want someone with a lot of stamina to grab its attention while everyone else wails on it? Does it count as armoured? If you're playing a Bright Wizard is it a good idea to lob charged fireballs at it (I tend to use the fireball staff which probably makes me a big scrub, though I haven't actually seen a beam staff drop yet), or should I just be meleeing it? Or is it better to plink it at range? Is it designed to be a bullet sponge or is there some trick to properly damaging it so it doesn't take 30 seconds of constant effort to kill?
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Gridlocked posted:First game went great, we did the beam strat That's an exploit, not a strategy; same as the dumb under the horn bullshit everyone was a loving idiot about. Nothing makes me happier than watching people who are dumb babies about loot rather than smashing rats get picked apart by ranged specials when they do that.
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