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Prince John posted:Sounds like a good way to put any British company involved in security hardware out of business pretty fast. Let's say that person A is a coordinator for vulnerable people at a charity, and persons B are their care workers who do site visits, and company C is their secure text message provider. A wants a way of communicating with B without anybody without the requisite background checks being able to access it, for obvious reasons. Company C says 'sure, we can do that'. By my understanding under that draft, if C was in the UK they would no longer be able to comply with that agreement, because they'd have to keep the keys on site in case the police had a warrant to wiretap, which would also allow a disgruntled employee, resident pederast, etc. potential access. If C was outside the UK, A and B would be able to continue to communicate securely, and if the police had a legitimate warrant they could just go to A (or B) and compel them to provide their keys/password. So all it does is puts UK businesses at a disadvantage without providing any security advantage. Party of business. e: 1924 - James Henry Ellis is born, much to the consternation of modern governments. e2: vvvv - I just read it as 'bored internet user, probably not at work'. Or works as a judge. 
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Angepain posted:That's quite the exciting five minutes this internet user has had there. Got really randy by all that porn, wanted an affair, genitals catch fire OH NO!!! Try to find out how bad it is for genitals to catch fire and if its normal. Now really depressed by genitalia fire and smoke damage. Meow, it's time for revenge.
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I'm against greater government surveillance of course, but given this user looks like they're either going to shoot themselves or the cheating spouse they caught HIV from this might be a good person to keep tabs on.
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Mousepractice posted:Top marks to Daily Mirror reporter Mikey Smith for this tweet which I just saw on the Guardian's surveillance plans liveblog: That sort of gives a false impression though, because that's a very limited (and hyperactive) history that doesn't really give much away, in specifics at least. Like with the HIV example, you can't tell what the person actually looked for on the NHS site, but if their next visited site is one of the HIV-related support or charity sites linked on the NHS page, it doesn't take a lot of work to see what a site like bodyandsoulcharity.org is about, check the NHS pages about HIV, and see that the site was linked from the page about diagnosing the disease. Or if they went to Wikipedia, and then their next site is related to HIV and is cited in the HIV wiki page. On their own, those related sites could just show an interest in the disease or in charity. But as a chain leading back to the NHS site, with a connection to the 'diagnosing HIV' page, it paints a picture about that person, information that they might really want to keep private. And metadata can get really specific about your activity - even if you don't have the actual URL the person visited, you could still have the domain name, the amount of data transmitted from that server, the other domains that were accessed (say for images contained on the page) and the amount of data they supplied. With that kind of information, it's definitely possible to identify which page on the server matches the metadata 'fingerprint' the user's activity generated
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Nov 4, 2015 16:41
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Bet the pornhub link is boring foot fetish poo poo for middleclass dweebs. The things i've seen. Your pornhubs are nothing.
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Nov 4, 2015 16:41
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OwlFancier posted:ASDA's inhouse stock control system is unironically green on black and formatted like a readme file, ascii art boxes and all. Is it an actual keyboard terminal job? I had to use the Tesco one years ago and it was like that, probably the same system and never updated
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Angepain posted:I'm against greater government surveillance of course, but given this user looks like they're either going to shoot themselves or the cheating spouse they caught HIV from this might be a good person to keep tabs on. And if it's the bad case, they'll have already done it by the time you've started keeping tabs. Especially given what they managed to do in 5 minutes. 
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OwlFancier posted:ASDA's inhouse stock control system is unironically green on black and formatted like a readme file, ascii art boxes and all. Is it mainframe based perhaps? Sounds a bit IBM 3270.
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Nov 4, 2015 16:47
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Given the amount of online shopping that people now do this basically amounts to "we'll keep a record of all the books you've read and all the programs you've watched for the last year" which is pleasantly dystopian. edit: oh and we'll keep a record of all the letters you've written and received in the past 12 months. You know. Just in case.
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OwlFancier posted:ASDA's inhouse stock control system is unironically green on black and formatted like a readme file, ascii art boxes and all. Cost of upgrading and retraining I guess. I managed and independent shop that was a Centra franchise and had a DOS based back-office, Centra suggested updating it many times but the franchisees refused as it worked fine and they didn't have to deal with training. It was actually the most robust retail back office system I've ever used and never crashed possibly because it was so simple. I haven't worked for them in about 3 and a half years now but I suspect and hope it hasn't been updated.
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The EFF have the best takedown of the "it's just metadata" argument:quote:
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baka kaba posted:Is it an actual keyboard terminal job? I had to use the Tesco one years ago and it was like that, probably the same system and never updated I don't know, I've never used it but it's basically the same thing they have on the telxon guns I think, but when you load it on a normal terminal with a monitor, it shows up green and black. I would hope it has a mouse interface because I can't imagine many of the managers being able to use it otherwise. Also, somewhat oddly, I think the telxon guns run windows 97 or something on the backend because it loads up a tiny pixellated desktop with a copy of word on it before it logs into the stock system.
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TinTower posted:The EFF have the best takedown of the "it's just metadata" argument: One thing that I wouldn't trust the filth/security services on is making a correct assumption from available details.
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Trickjaw posted:One thing that I wouldn't trust the filth/security services on is making a correct assumption from available details.
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OwlFancier posted:ASDA's inhouse stock control system is unironically green on black and formatted like a readme file, ascii art boxes and all. baka kaba posted:Is it an actual keyboard terminal job? I had to use the Tesco one years ago and it was like that, probably the same system and never updated feedmegin posted:Is it mainframe based perhaps? Sounds a bit IBM 3270. The system at Amazon worked like this - the sorting stations had a Unix terminal that just SSHed into a central database machine and then drew comedy-huge ASCII arrows telling you where to put the item you just scanned.
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Hope you've saved your work, jerks http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/nov/04/national-grid-issues-urgent-call-for-extra-power The next 90 minutes could see a power outage if the grid can't manage the surge.
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Tesseraction posted:The system at Amazon worked like this - the sorting stations had a Unix terminal that just SSHed into a central database machine and then drew comedy-huge ASCII arrows telling you where to put the item you just scanned. Where did the arrows point?  http://jvo.storage.googleapis.com/2ea88ecbe3229789f9193e45057b77d5.gif(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Tesseraction posted:Hope you've saved your work, jerks http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/nov/04/national-grid-issues-urgent-call-for-extra-power But my raclette grill is warming up!
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The live grid frequency meters at http://www.dynamicdemand.co.uk/grid.htm and http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/ both seem to be showing normal. I tried checking the National Grid one but it looks like their servers are down. 
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I like to imagine that the power is getting dangerously close to overloading and some dudes in the National Grid office are grimly lowering some sliders on their control terminal, coinciding with the lights in the northern parts of England slowly dimming to off. Just to make sure London stays fine.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L8i3ZrYd6M
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Clearly taking a leaf out of the Tories' "we are the party of working people" book - just loudly claim something until people assume you are one.
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Nov 4, 2015 18:03
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i think this is just more proof that waistcoats are for cunts
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JFairfax posted:i think this is just more proof that waistcoats are for cunts 
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sorry Pesmerga, I am sure you look very dapper in yours.
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I have no idea who this moron is, but I don't like living a world where trending on Twitter for four days is seen as an achievement.
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What's the VAT rate on waistcoats for cunts?
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Tesseraction posted:Dear LORD. Teresa May has been glamour modelling for about as long as Theresa May has been politicking and the Theresa/Teresa mix-up happens often enough that the two women used to be in regular contact to manage accidental cross-bookings.
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Did he know that was there before he went or did he just search that on there without knowing what he'd find. I don't know if either answer is worse.
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JFairfax posted:sorry Pesmerga, I am sure you look very dapper in yours. It has a picture of Goku on it
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JFairfax posted:sorry Pesmerga, I am sure you look very dapper in yours. Thank you, sometimes it's nice to not wear a suit jacket. Guavanaut posted:What's the VAT rate on waistcoats for cunts? The same rate, I guess. Renaissance Robot posted:It has a picture of Goku on it I wish
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Tesseraction posted:I like to imagine that the power is getting dangerously close to overloading and some dudes in the National Grid office are grimly lowering some sliders on their control terminal, coinciding with the lights in the northern parts of England slowly dimming to off.
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JFairfax posted:i think this is just more proof that waistcoats are for cunts I prefer to think of myself as more of a fuckhead, but you're basically right. It's a job thing unfortunately.
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ookiimarukochan posted:Teresa May has been glamour modelling for about as long as Theresa May has been politicking and the Theresa/Teresa mix-up happens often enough that the two women used to be in regular contact to manage accidental cross-bookings. Very smart of them both. A mix-up like that would ruin a stag night.
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I love that the internet has this kind of stuff for people to look at
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Mr. Flunchy posted:Very smart of them both. A mix-up like that would ruin a stag night.
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I know I mentioned VPNs not long ago, but I'm really curious: given today's news, if you're not using a VPN / Tor / something else to evade this bullshit, why on earth not? I seem to be almost the only person I know that freaks out about this kind of thing, and I just cannot wrap my head around the idea of being so casually unconcerned about boldly forging ahead into the kind of surveillance state beyond Orwell's wildest dreams.
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I have nothing to hide, and therefore nothing to fear.
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I wonder what happened at David Cameron's stag partyTACD posted:I know I mentioned VPNs not long ago, but I'm really curious: given today's news, if you're not using a VPN / Tor / something else to evade this bullshit, why on earth not? I seem to be almost the only person I know that freaks out about this kind of thing, and I just cannot wrap my head around the idea of being so casually unconcerned about boldly forging ahead into the kind of surveillance state beyond Orwell's wildest dreams. I think most people are worried about the principle, not an actual need to hide their catte pic browsing habits
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baka kaba posted:I wonder what happened at David Cameron's stag party 
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