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“I was a hybrid once. Myself and a lady called Charley…”
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Nov 4, 2015 14:40
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They better tone back the Clara Super Spy crap becuase that's what lost me with Martha.
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Nov 4, 2015 14:46
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"Where are we, Doctor?" "Ireland. Kildare. 470 AD. We're here to see an old friend of mine, St. Bridget." "There she is!" "Ah, so she is. Hi, Brid!"
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Nov 4, 2015 14:46
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It'd be nice to have some way of crossing this deep canyon.
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Nov 4, 2015 15:25
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Flea Wars posted:It'd be nice to have some way of crossing this deep canyon. Like some kind of high bridge?
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Nov 4, 2015 17:11
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I bet the cliffhanger on the penultimate episode (which Moffat says he's very proud of) will be the Doctor having to face off against his greatest enemies in a battle of the bands, but he has nobody to back him up, when Linkin Park suddenly appear and announce, "It's time for a Hybrid Theory, Doctor!"
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Nov 4, 2015 17:18
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The hybrid is going to be The Doctor himself, since as we all know, he's half human on his mother's side.
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Nov 4, 2015 17:20
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I wonder if CGI Snake will have something to do with it?
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Nov 4, 2015 17:28
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Silhouette posted:The hybrid is going to be The Doctor himself, since as we all know, he's half human on his mother's side. I half exxpect it to be something to do with this, because continuity wank seems to be very much in vogue right now
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Nov 4, 2015 17:29
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More like... high breed.
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Nov 4, 2015 17:33
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PriorMarcus posted:Like some kind of high bridge?
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Nov 4, 2015 17:37
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DoctorWhat posted:It really hasn't. Across her tenure, Clara has been many different kinds of characters. Season 7 she was literally whatever and did much of nothing and would some times wildly veer off course IN THE SAME EPISODE. Season 8 she DID get a defined character arc of becoming an absolutely awful, lovely, self centered person who took the absolute worst lessons from the Doctor and applied them vicariously to herself as hard as she could. And now season 9 she's...taken several steps back from that except when she doesn't. Unless they explain what's up with her by the end, then yes, Doctor What, she has been inconsistent as gently caress. You can argue about the meaning behind whatever bullshit you like but bad writing is bad writing. Also, saying "EVERY CHARACTER IS SPECIAL" is entirely wrong and I am so surprised no one called you on that bullshit. Rose was special because of a one off God Hood moment that didn't actually make her special at all and impacted nothing about her time with the Doctor before or after except in that one moment. She briefly became The Bad Wolf and then wasn't and it didn't matter. Outside that, she had a thing for him. Martha wasn't special at all and in fact was Not Rose. Jack's not special beyond the fact that he's immortal- which is the point where he left the Doctor. Donna's *SUPER* not special until she becomes the Time Lord Human Hybrid and at that point she has to leave the Doctor. Amy was special because she got exposed to a giant gently caress off crack in her wall that edged into eternity and the Doctor further hosed her life up super good. After that? Nothing special about her. Rory was never special outside of his ability to keep dying and keep coming back. Clara? Clara has been special in different ways across her ENTIRE CAREER AS A COMPANION. First she was a Good Human Dalek Hybrid, then she was the one person who brought the Doctor down from the clouds, then she was whatever the gently caress she was for the rest of season 7 until she literally went back in time and saved him across ALL OF HIS ITERATIONS- and that was the end of the Impossible Girl. So that means her doing insane, Doctor Important things are over right? Nope! Because we still have Listen where she goes back into the Doctor's time line AGAIN to do whatever the gently caress she did. And the repeated "I Am The Doctor (standin)" moments with her, and at some point she stopped being a regular person even in the present Goddamn day and became the Go To Person for a super organization that exists above and beyond all governments to solve difficult problems when the Doctor is not around, when she's not too busy teaching her class of students who she'd rather see burn then see sad. Martha, Rose, both of them went on to be bigger things when they stopped being the Doctor's Companions- Rose became the head of her Torchwood or whatever she was, Martha became a super UNIT soldier who fought Sontarans for fun also where is Martha in all of this you'd think one of the ONLY UNIT soldiers we know of would stick her head in and call the Doctor a twat for how he's been acting recently, but both only did so AFTER they were done being companions. Clara, as always, has her cake and gets to eat it too and then has extra ice cream to top it off because of how great she is. And after the stunt she pulled at the end of last season, if she doesn't become a villain or leave the Doctor on less than friendly terms, I'll be disappointed- but not surprised. Oh and then we have literally every Companion before New Who, of whom only Romana could truly be called 'special'. You know. If you want to go down that rabbit hole.
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Nov 4, 2015 17:38
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Thread favorites Charley Pollard and Evelyn Smythe are both "special" due to their proximity to/involvement in time paradoxes. Ace has her whole life manipulated by the Doctor and Fenric before she meets either of them. Come on, Burkion, you should KNOW better than this. And there's literally nothing wrong with a companion being "special", especially when most (if not all) of those "special" qualities are just... that companion doing things.
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Nov 4, 2015 17:59
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Rory was pretty normal until he became some kind of a robot with a hand gun that never got used after that first time and I guess was still able to make babies.
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Nov 4, 2015 18:01
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you goddamn fool rory was only ever a robot in pandorica opens/big bang. that timeline got wiped, that's why the hand gun never came up again. rory just got auton!rory's memories, not his body.
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Nov 4, 2015 18:08
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I’m going to have to get high. Be rid of this thread though.
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Nov 4, 2015 18:11
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DoctorWhat posted:Thread favorites Charley Pollard and Evelyn Smythe are both "special" due to their proximity to/involvement in time paradoxes. Ace has her whole life manipulated by the Doctor and Fenric before she meets either of them. Come on, Burkion, you should KNOW better than this. Actually I've listened to very few audios and have not seen much of the Seventh Doctor's run, though that sounds really stupid that the Seventh Doctor would have actively hosed with some one's life before or after taking them on as a companion. If you can't tell what I, and a few others, mean by Clara being 'special' then I'm not really sure what to say. We'll see where this goes with Season 9 and Clara's Last Hurrah, but she has been anything but consistent across her tenure.
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Nov 4, 2015 18:24
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Attitude Indicator posted:maybe she'll turn into a human/timelord... HYBRID! Get your own nutjob theory >:-[
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Nov 4, 2015 18:25
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I have suspicions about what people mean when they say "special". I'd rather not see those suspicions confirmed, is all. Series 7b did not serve Clara well. There were hints of her later characterization - her obsession with control, mainly - but the haphazard and rushed implementation of the "Impossible Girl" psuedoplot obscured that. However, I think Clara's been handled excellently from at least Deep Breath on.
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Nov 4, 2015 18:40
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Dabir posted:Get your own nutjob theory >:-[ I'm not creative enough. speaking of nutjob theories, I thought about the clara is dead theory during the last episode, since when the doctor calls clara early in the episode he specifies that he doesn't know exactly when he is. So the zygon episodes might chronologically be the first of the season and clara gets eaten or something. it makes as much sense as the rest of the theory. also the writing in the questionmark underpants joke was some explanatory poo poo: "why don't you wear questionmarks anymore?" "oh, i still do.... ON MY UNDERPANTS, GET IT?" "questionmark underpants, my word!" DoctorWhat posted:I have suspicions about what people mean when they say "special". I'd rather not see those suspicions confirmed, is all. i don't think "Clara is Corky" is a popular theory at all
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Nov 4, 2015 18:55
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The only change I see in Clara this season is that she's been much less of a focus. Her characterization seems pretty consistent, but her role has been noticeably downplayed.
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Nov 4, 2015 18:55
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DoctorWhat posted:I have suspicions about what people mean when they say "special". I'd rather not see those suspicions confirmed, is all. Man I have suspicions about half the poo poo you say but I don't try to pull a verbal equivalent of glaring over my glasses about it
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Nov 4, 2015 18:57
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Burkion posted:Donna's *SUPER* not special until she becomes the Time Lord Human Hybrid and at that point she has to leave the Doctor. 
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Nov 4, 2015 19:00
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HD DAD posted:The only change I see in Clara this season is that she's been much less of a focus. Her characterization seems pretty consistent, but her role has been noticeably downplayed. Really? I feel like it has been the opposite, like this season is the Clara Show featuring The Doctor.
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Nov 4, 2015 19:06
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Nov 4, 2015 19:30
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Dabir posted:Get your own nutjob theory >:-[ That's what I'm talking about : 
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Nov 4, 2015 19:37
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ugh, I just knew this was going to suuuuck, from when I first read the titles of the episodes. "Invasion of the Zygons" sounded so cheesy. But I thought it'd be uncomfortably RTD-like, and it's somehow worse than that. I liked Kill the Moon, but I can't countenance this poo poo. It's not the idea of it that's bad, it's the fumbled execution. We needed a sympathetic Zygon character, and other than maaaaybe Osgood, we didn't get one. So it's all too easy to read the episode as Islamophobic. Plus, I dunno how UNIT was in old times, not having seen any old Doctor Who, but in the modern era they're startlingly incompetent. I think it's lazy writing to have them be so utterly lovely at their jobs. The entire episode hinges on everyone, but especially UNIT members, being complete morons.
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Nov 4, 2015 20:23
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This other problem with having Clara be this important and special to the Doctor's history is escalation. If she is the one who gave the boy Doctor the pep talk that made him stop being scared and become a Time Lord, then what do they do with the next companion? They're actually Omega?
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Nov 4, 2015 20:48
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Everybody I know personally thought this episode was alright. 
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Nov 4, 2015 22:00
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plural of anecdote does not equal data, large numbers of people that i love and trust love movies that i personally would be too cynical to stand. I personally think this episode, even watching with a lack of critical thinking or outside perspective and just hoping for a fun ride, was terribly boring and frustrating to watch. I mean, I've largely been positive on this season just because the Doctor is being a big ol' goofy dork again, that's what the doctor should be and if they were going for a more serious doctor last season they failed. They just made him into a loving rear end in a top hat who was completely unpleasant to watch. But yeah, I don't think all the sonic sunglasses or quipping in the world could've saved this shitheap. Also whenever I think of "hybrid" I think of "elements of the past and future, combining to make something not quite as good as either". Not looking forward to the season finale if "hybrid" is this season's meme.
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Nov 4, 2015 22:10
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Come to think of it, now that people are bringing up Martha, it sort of underlines why the writers feel like they need to be really definitive when they write companions out of the new series.
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Nov 4, 2015 22:11
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DoctorWhat posted:... I vaguely remember watching the McCoy doctor way back when (late 80's)? out of PBS San Diego, or Denver off of C-Bang big-dish satellite, and I never understood any of the shows except it seemed the Dr. always had some secret plan doing on and it was related to Ace. I liked most of them, but after each show, I was like, WTF? I don't really understand what happened or why or what it meant. I never caught on to "Ace has her whole life manipulated by the Doctor and Fenric" at all.
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Nov 4, 2015 22:18
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Acne Rain posted:plural of anecdote does not equal data, large numbers of people that i love and trust love movies that i personally would be too cynical to stand. This thread is just as much of a plurality of anecdotes though. Reviews have been generally positive and the reception by the average person talking on social media seems about the same.
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Nov 4, 2015 22:54
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River was a hybrid too, right? Because she was conceived in the TARDIS or something. I repressed a lot of that stuff from season 6. Basically if the payoff for the HYBRID?! stuff isn't River and Donna suddenly showing up to save the Doctor's rear end/tell him off then I am going to end up bitterly disappointed about the whole thing.
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Nov 4, 2015 23:44
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The_Doctor posted:Interestingly the Big Finish UNIT Extinction boxset comes out on Monday. I'd hazard a guess they were waiting for this story to get out of the way before the release..? Takes place before "The Day of the Doctor", so this story's not bound to have that much of impact.
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Nov 4, 2015 23:51
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cargohills posted:Everybody I know personally thought this episode was alright. Shouting into the void, my friend.  
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Nov 5, 2015 00:27
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Cerv posted:Faint praise Rhyno posted:The Two Doctors heard you and Colin is PISSED. That's great. cargohills posted:Everybody I know personally thought this episode was alright. Dr. Gene Dango MD fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Nov 5, 2015 |
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Nov 5, 2015 00:34
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CobiWann posted:I’m going to have to get high. Be rid of this thread though. 
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Nov 5, 2015 00:42
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Chokes McGee posted:Shouting into the void, my friend. It's perfectly fine to like this episode (especially if you articulate why!) and just because some people don't agree with you, doesn't mean you shouldn't feel bad about it. Same goes for the opposite - if a lot of people are raving about an episode and personally you couldn't stand it, say so.... and say why too! People will respond and then we get some nice discussion going  Remember the first rule of Doctor Who - none of us are ever going to agree on anything ever, there is no group-think or consensus, just a lot of people expressing their opinions and talking about the pros and cons of any given episode or the season to date or the show as a whole. Sometimes it weights more one way, sometimes it weights more the other, but there are always a huge number of variations even within the "liked it/didn't like it" camps.
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Nov 5, 2015 01:22
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I liked the episode because Clara might be dead.
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Nov 5, 2015 01:31
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