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Helter Skelter posted:You should probably look at more than just the King County results. Oh... oh no... no no no
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Eyman's lovely initiative will probably be deemed unconstitutional anyway. Apparently the no on 1366 campaign only raised $150k so no counter effort was made. Still, I thought all the polls showed it losing.
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Nov 4, 2015 08:14
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loving Washington state voters passing another stupid Eyeman initiative that the State Supreme Court is going to overturn. Just what the state needs, basically more of the same as every other year.
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Nov 4, 2015 09:16
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seiferguy posted:Eyman's lovely initiative will probably be deemed unconstitutional anyway. Apparently the no on 1366 campaign only raised $150k so no counter effort was made. Still, I thought all the polls showed it losing.
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Nov 4, 2015 10:12
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Isn't Eyman the reason we have those ridiculously worded advisory votes that try to make it sound like every attempt to collect revenue without putting it to a referendum vote is run away government? My roommate and I couldn't believe some of the contortions the language on those went through.
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Nov 4, 2015 16:23
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RuanGacho posted:Isn't Eyman the reason we have those ridiculously worded advisory votes that try to make it sound like every attempt to collect revenue without putting it to a referendum vote is run away government? My roommate and I couldn't believe some of the contortions the language on those went through. Yes.
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Nov 4, 2015 17:14
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Tim Eyman is a scourge. The poster boy for the downsides of direct democracy.
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Nov 4, 2015 17:56
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Plus notice that the only "liberal" measure this time around is a relatively inoffensive one about animal trafficking. I'm sure most of the big ones will be next year, so I completely believe that Eyman is aiming for the increased conservative turnout during off year elections. Cascadia will never be free unless Tim Eyman is banished.
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Nov 4, 2015 18:01
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foobardog posted:Plus notice that the only "liberal" measure this time around is a relatively inoffensive one about animal trafficking. Yeah, I think Oregon got hit with more or less the same non-sense during the 1990s, it didn't turn out that great. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Nov 4, 2015 |
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Nov 4, 2015 19:21
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Tim Eyman has been doing this for sixteens years! You'd think the people who keep passing poo poo like cutting taxes and adding 2/3rds majority voting would get a clue and attack the constitution directly. I'm thankful they don't but why the hell haven't they tried?
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Nov 4, 2015 19:26
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Freakazoid_ posted:Tim Eyman has been doing this for sixteens years! You'd think the people who keep passing poo poo like cutting taxes and adding 2/3rds majority voting would get a clue and attack the constitution directly. I'm thankful they don't but why the hell haven't they tried? Initiatives can't amend the state constitution in Washington. The legislature needs to approve a proposed amendment first with a 2/3rds majority.
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Nov 4, 2015 19:55
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Freakazoid_ posted:Tim Eyman has been doing this for sixteens years! You'd think the people who keep passing poo poo like cutting taxes and adding 2/3rds majority voting would get a clue and attack the constitution directly. I'm thankful they don't but why the hell haven't they tried? That's exactly what Eyman's current initiative tries to do: it puts a revenue-cut gun to the head of the legislature and says "amend the constitution, or else." For what it's worth, the state Supreme Court has already signaled that this is almost certainly unconstitutional. All it will succeed in doing is costing Washington taxpayers millions of dollars in an ugly legal fight. But, the initiative has already succeeded in its real purpose: giving Tim Eyman access to donors and a campaign account filled with delicious money that would certainly never be misappropriated to cover his personal expenses.
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Nov 4, 2015 20:10
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I am seriously.contemplating what it would take to institute an initiative that says all the numerated initiatives still in effect by known (hopefully by then) convicted felon Tim Eyman are hereby repealed, for the grace and dignity of the people of Washington.
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Nov 4, 2015 20:50
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RuanGacho posted:I am seriously.contemplating what it would take to institute an initiative that says all the numerated initiatives still in effect by known (hopefully by then) convicted felon Tim Eyman are hereby repealed, for the grace and dignity of the people of Washington. That sounds like a total bill of attainder, and that doesn't fly. It'd also be an ex post facto law, so it might feel good, but be just as unconstitutional.
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Nov 4, 2015 21:18
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foobardog posted:That sounds like a total bill of attainder, and that doesn't fly. It'd also be an ex post facto law, so it might feel good, but be just as unconstitutional. I suspect it'd fly since it's just an initiative that repeals a bunch of initiatives, except the most important one
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Nov 4, 2015 21:23
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Yeah I would numerate the laws and initiatives specifically, the rest is just flavor text 
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Nov 4, 2015 21:27
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Tim Eyman will probably be making terrible anti-tax initiatives until the day he dies. He'll probably face several investigations into how his campaign funds are spent / laundered, but will ultimately come up short. He literally is the skid mark of Washington politics.
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Nov 4, 2015 21:30
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RuanGacho posted:Yeah I would numerate the laws and initiatives specifically, the rest is just flavor text Istvun posted:I suspect it'd fly since it's just an initiative that repeals a bunch of initiatives, except the most important one Hmm. I knew about the Horse's rear end initiative, and you're right, we can do this... I'm now imagining Inslee coming on camera and saying "My fellow Washingtonians, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Tim Eyman forever. We begin bombing in five minutes." It makes me happier.
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Nov 4, 2015 21:30
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Can't we like... exile him? Is there anything in our constitution saying we can't just exile a person?
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Nov 4, 2015 21:32
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Put blackface on him and leave him outside seattle PD
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Nov 4, 2015 21:40
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anthonypants posted:Amazon opened a physical bookstore in University Village today? I know this was a page back now, but Amazon didn't open a bookstore, Amazon opened an "Amazon Technology Store" much like Apple and Microsoft have, theirs just happens to have some books in it. But only books that get 4.5 stars or more in reviews are considered for placement in their "bookstore". And also gently caress Tim Eyeman. Kick him out and make him move to Idaho where he could make even more money scamming gullible Kalista fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Nov 4, 2015 |
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Nov 4, 2015 21:49
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Kalista posted:I know this was a page back now, but Amazon didn't open a bookstore, Amazon opened an "Amazon Technology Store" much like Apple and Microsoft have, theirs just happens to have some books in it. But only books that get 4.5 stars or more in reviews are considered for placement in their "bookstore". Other than the kindle, what technology releases has amazon come up with that weren't total failures?
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Nov 4, 2015 22:48
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Mrit posted:Other than the kindle, what technology releases has amazon come up with that weren't total failures?
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Nov 4, 2015 23:20
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Mrit posted:Other than the kindle, what technology releases has amazon come up with that weren't total failures? The Echo sounds cool as hell. I haven't used one though!
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Nov 5, 2015 01:06
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Ardennes posted:Yeah, I think Oregon got hit with more or less the same non-sense during the 1990s, it didn't turn out that great. Our Tim Eyman was Bill Sizemore. I haven't heard anything about him since he announced we was running for governor in 2010 and was arrested for tax evasion a week later.
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Nov 5, 2015 03:21
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:The Echo sounds cool as hell. I haven't used one though! Ours controls all the lights in our house with some tinkering with it and our zwave system. It's creepy to walk in and say "alexia, turn all lights on" "oooooohhhkay"
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logger posted:loving Washington state voters passing another stupid Eyeman initiative that the State Supreme Court is going to overturn. Just what the state needs, basically more of the same as every other year. They should just make a checklist so they can quickly get it done.
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Nov 5, 2015 04:01
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Mrit posted:Other than the kindle, what technology releases has amazon come up with that weren't total failures? Yes, the Kindle, the Fire, Echo, for the most part. The store isn't there to sell books, it's there to sell Amazon Product (TM), and they've shoehorned that into a "bookstore" format. "Speaking of the Kindle, Amazon’s other hardware products are featured directly in the center of the store, similar to what Apple or Microsoft do at their own physical retail locations. There is also an “Amazon Answers” desk to help customers with any product questions. Other amenities include a small hangout space for customers to sit down and browse through magazines or e-books with a Fire tablet. In the children’s books area, there are beanbags and a table equipped with — yes, you guessed it, more Fire tablets — where kids can spend time with their parents... You’ll even find Amazon’s Echo, the company’s intelligent, talking home speaker/virtual assistant, located on a table that is somewhat symbolic of Amazon’s innovations in the book industry. This particular table includes traditional printed books that have been made into movies. Alongside the paperbacks are Amazon Fire HD tablets that let customers watch movie trailers on IMDb, another Amazon-owned company. There are also headphones hooked to the tablets that let you listen to audiobooks from Amazon’s Audible app. And finally, you can talk to the Echo device and ask something like “Alexa, read Moby Dick” — seconds later, a robot starts reading Moby Dick." And none of the books have prices on them. You either have to look them up on Amazon on your phone, or use a scanning kiosk. http://www.geekwire.com/2015/inside-amazons-first-bookstore-how-the-online-giant-is-combining-digital-with-physical-retail/
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Kalista posted:Yes, the Kindle, the Fire, Echo, for the most part. The store isn't there to sell books, it's there to sell Amazon Product (TM), and they've shoehorned that into a "bookstore" format. This is almost indistinguishable from a Barnes & Noble.
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Kalista posted:Yes, the Kindle, the Fire, Echo, for the most part. The store isn't there to sell books, it's there to sell Amazon Product (TM), and they've shoehorned that into a "bookstore" format. Well, with the overwhelming success of bookstores in the past 20 years, its no wonder Amazon is getting into the mix! Maybe they can even convince someone to buy one of the Amazon phones they have a million units of left over.
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Could anyone point me to some good sources/articles about Tim Eyman and his bullshit? I'd like to educate myself further (WI transplant who's only been growing aware of this guy in the past few years) and also explain how lovely he is to friends from out of state.
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Nov 5, 2015 20:54
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:Could anyone point me to some good sources/articles about Tim Eyman and his bullshit? I'd like to educate myself further (WI transplant who's only been growing aware of this guy in the past few years) and also explain how lovely he is to friends from out of state. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Eyman quote:Eyman's work on Initiative 695 in 2000 ($30 Car Tabs) was recognized by the Conservative Political Action Conference with its Ronald Reagan Award.[32] Need we really say more? RuanGacho fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Nov 5, 2015 |
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:Could anyone point me to some good sources/articles about Tim Eyman and his bullshit? I'd like to educate myself further (WI transplant who's only been growing aware of this guy in the past few years) and also explain how lovely he is to friends from out of state. He's your basic fratrat brotrepreneur that, once faced with his inability to succeed in a business explicitly trading on his ability to connect with his fellow pieces of poo poo, copied the work of Grover Norquist spawn in other states and presented it as a unique idea here. After targeting the destruction of Affirmative Action, he gained real traction via other regressive anti-taxation petitions and enriched himself with a pattern of illicit campaign fund mismanagement that began at minimum in 2002, if not before. The state would have been improved if he had decided to eat the barrel the moment he was proven a failure at legitimate business.
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Nov 5, 2015 21:33
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The worst is that supporters of Tim Eyman acknowledge that his initiatives usually aren't constitutionally eligible, but vote for them anyways to "send a message to Olympia that we're tired of taxes!" as if that's really going to change anything. If Eyman's projected initiative goes through (it will be likely blocked by the supreme court), it would burn a $1 billion hole in the state's budget. A state that is under contempt of court for failing to adequately fund education.
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seiferguy posted:The worst is that supporters of Tim Eyman acknowledge that his initiatives usually aren't constitutionally eligible, but vote for them anyways to "send a message to Olympia that we're tired of taxes!" as if that's really going to change anything.
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Nov 5, 2015 22:49
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Sure are a lot of posters in this thread that don't like democracy. The people have voted 6 times now in 2 decades to require a 2/3rds majority to raise taxes. Maybe you know we should have majority rule?
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KingFisher posted:Sure are a lot of posters in this thread that don't like democracy. The people have voted 6 times now in 2 decades to require a 2/3rds majority to raise taxes. Maybe you know we should have majority rule? We've seen this before in California, there's a reason why the elected officials won't do it without being put under hostage threat. Taxes shouldn't be any different than anything else and receptive to the changing environment they're in. Of course if your tax policy is no taxes ever BTW give me free services then of course you like the idea. E: its the same as charter schools, it seems like a new genius bold innovation until you ask the simple question of what the consequences are. RuanGacho fucked around with this message at 05:19 on Nov 7, 2015 |
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They put new taxes on the ballot every year down here and they are shot down by a landslide every year. You'd think they'd quit wasting money on special elections with foregone conclusions, but nope. Dig that hole even deeper. Usually it's the same exact property tax levy they try every year but this time they tried a sales tax. Surprise! It lost hard. 
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Eyman and Rob McKenna should be handcuffed together. That's it, that's the punishment. Now you're handcuffed to one another.
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RuanGacho posted:We've seen this before in California, there's a reason why the elected officials won't do it without being put under hostage threat. The people get the government they are willing to pay for. If they through a 6 time expression of popular will choose to constrain how much they pay then the courts should respect that. Besides the constitutional amendment would still need to be passed by the people as well, so its not like the consent of the governed is lacking here.
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