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One thing I'm unclear on, how do people who are POWs - Kaz and that Viscount guy - hire Ocelot and Diamond Dogs, respectively, to save them? Like, with Kaz is that just a diversion since he may or may not have been in the loop on the body double plan by that point? Do the Soviets and CFA give these guys their one phone call or something? Also, the more I've had time to reflect on the body double twist, the more I like it. The most disappointing thing about the game is that it was unfinished, considering what we got was probably the best stealth game ever made with amazing production values even in its unfinished state.
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Presumably, POWs have friends, family, employers, or allies who hired Diamond Dogs to rescue them.
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Nov 4, 2015 04:07
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Snak posted:Presumably, POWs have friends, family, employers, or allies who hired Diamond Dogs to rescue them. But weren't all of Kaz's bodyguards killed when the Soviets/Skulls found him? Did he promise some dude from a Soviet bloc backwater a cut of his burger joint or something?
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Nov 4, 2015 04:10
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MeatwadIsGod posted:But weren't all of Kaz's bodyguards killed when the Soviets/Skulls found him? Did he promise some dude from a Soviet bloc backwater a cut of his burger joint or something? ?? I'm not understanding your question. Are you saying that the head of Diamond Dogs didn't have any friends to hire Diamond Dogs to save him?
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Nov 4, 2015 04:21
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Snak posted:?? It's more a question of how. All his bodyguards are killed and he's taken captive, so presumably nobody knows what the gently caress happened to him. Ocelot mentions specifically that Kaz hired him to rescue him from Afghanistan, so I'm just curious as to how that could have happened with the dude chained up to a drain pipe in some lovely hovel.
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Nov 4, 2015 04:29
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The Viscount was playing all sides and presumably knew he was about to be detained with the other prisoners so he spread misinformation to the CFA and contracted his own rescue before he was put in a position where he couldn't set it up. If you listen to all the interrogations and rescue the other prisoners it becomes clearer how he arranged things. It's supposed to be unusual that the client is the POW target, Kaz and Ocelot even comment on it when they figure it out (assuming you get the info for them).
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Nov 4, 2015 04:36
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Obviously Kaz attached notes to gerbils, one of which was eventually caught in a DD trap and taken back to mother base.
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Nov 4, 2015 04:37
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MeatwadIsGod posted:One thing I'm unclear on, how do people who are POWs - Kaz and that Viscount guy - hire Ocelot and Diamond Dogs, respectively, to save them? Like, with Kaz is that just a diversion since he may or may not have been in the loop on the body double plan by that point? Do the Soviets and CFA give these guys their one phone call or something? Kaz never really hired Ocelot tbh. Kaz and Ocelot are basically in a bit of a truce brokered by Zero. Ocelot knows where Big Boss is, and Kaz knows he knows. Kaz goes and runs interference for Big Boss by building up Diamond Dogs, and on one of the jobs, he presumably gets too close to Skullface's plans and is captured. This is presumably some time right around the XOF attack on the hospital or shortly before. As it was an actual DD job, it was noticed and their intelligence turned up a record of his capture by the Soviets. Ocelot never comments on the Skulls, just that Miller is being moved to a Soviet camp, and after a few more days will be moved out of Afghanistan. I think he was abineg a bit loose if there's the thing about "He hired me toget you out and to get him out" though. Really it was to get him out of Cyprus after he recovered, and to reunite the pair, but that obviously didn't happen as intially planned due to the Skull attack. The Viscount arranged it some how, either he bribed a guard, or had some insurance policy set up. It's not immediately obvious you're working for him, they only pull back the onion later. OJ MIST 2 THE DICK fucked around with this message at 04:41 on Nov 4, 2015 |
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Nov 4, 2015 04:39
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Diamond Dogs men also went to the site of the attack and found Miller's escort dead (and his sunglasses), so they knew that Kaz had disappeared and followed up on it and discovered the Soviets had him. He was their boss so it's not like they're not gonna try to rescue him, but the job was such that only Big Boss could do it. Or perhaps Ocelot wanted to arrange it such that Big Boss did do it, to help legitimize him as the true Big Boss in the eyes of Kaz, Diamond Dogs, etc. Whatever, they probably arranged to save Kaz on their own since he was one of their guys, much like the missions where you go rescue an Intel Team member who got in trouble. The Intel Team member didn't pay you to do it, they're one of your own men and you need to go find and get them out.
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Nov 4, 2015 04:45
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You're actually really Big Boss but you've been hypnotized into thinking you're Venom who has obviously supplanted you and taken your legacy for his own obviously. It's turtles all the way down.
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Nov 4, 2015 09:53
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So Quiet just died out in the desert, huh.
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Nov 4, 2015 10:39
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She is the absence of resolution.
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Nov 4, 2015 10:41
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MeatwadIsGod posted:It's more a question of how. All his bodyguards are killed and he's taken captive, so presumably nobody knows what the gently caress happened to him. Ocelot mentions specifically that Kaz hired him to rescue him from Afghanistan, so I'm just curious as to how that could have happened with the dude chained up to a drain pipe in some lovely hovel. the intel team's pretty good at their job
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Nov 4, 2015 10:42
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I wonder how much infrastructure there is at MB given that you the player start from 0 when you're abducting dudes for your army but Miller already has this large base built up and people working it. How many secret hamburger units does Miller have set up running the place Also how hosed up is it that later on in the game when your units are full of A++ minimum soldiers that if you fulton somebody lesser you still keep them in your brig for days until they give and then you fire them immediately. This is the real crime in this game.
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Nov 4, 2015 13:57
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Motherbase doesn't make any sense, don't try to wrap your brain around it. They don't have the resources to build a forest camo cardboard box, yet building massive deep sea platforms connected by bridges spanning half a mile is no problem.
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Nov 4, 2015 16:00
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notZaar posted:Motherbase doesn't make any sense, don't try to wrap your brain around it. They don't have the resources to build a forest camo cardboard box, yet building massive deep sea platforms connected by bridges spanning half a mile is no problem. Well deep-sea platforms are existing technology that they just have purchase. Get on amazon right now and try to buy a camouflaged cardboard boxes in bulk. You can't do it. They have to create the supply chain to make an indefinite number so that every time you call for one, it shows up in like 5 minutes.
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Nov 4, 2015 16:05
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Oh man and we didn't have a mess hall team this time around either 
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Nov 4, 2015 16:07
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You do have to pay for the platforms, but it's still kind of hosed up that it costs more to develop a slightly more effective tranquilizer pistol than it does to construct an entire massive sea platform and all the machinery that sits on it. I just assume that Kaz is very good at his job but once the money gets to the R&D team they waste it in the most frivolous ways possible and spend the real-world equivalent of several million dollars on a cardboard box.
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Nov 4, 2015 16:39
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Nakar posted:Kaz loving sees the guy two beds over, who was in the helicopter with them and presumably the only other survivor, asks "What about him?" and gets told the guy took shrapnel to the head. He also is right next to Big Boss and can see pretty clearly that Big Boss does not have shrapnel in his head. Nine years later Big Boss has shrapnel in his head.
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Nov 4, 2015 17:17
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VileLL posted:the intel team's pretty good at their job Then how come they only tell me about medicinal plants when I'm looking right at them, hmmm? Yeah, that makes more sense. It could have been phrased better as Diamond Dogs hiring Ocelot to rescue Kaz or whatever though.
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Nov 4, 2015 18:33
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MeatwadIsGod posted:Then how come they only tell me about medicinal plants when I'm looking right at them, hmmm? It wasn't like he was murdered in a remote cabin on his own time
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Nov 4, 2015 18:37
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MeatwadIsGod posted:Then how come they only tell me about medicinal plants when I'm looking right at them, hmmm? they're helping real big boss most of the time kaz and venom are the only ones not in on it
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Nov 4, 2015 20:17
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Nakar posted:You do have to pay for the platforms, but it's still kind of hosed up that it costs more to develop a slightly more effective tranquilizer pistol than it does to construct an entire massive sea platform and all the machinery that sits on it. I just assume that Kaz is very good at his job but once the money gets to the R&D team they waste it in the most frivolous ways possible and spend the real-world equivalent of several million dollars on a cardboard box. "Realistic military procurement!" should have been a selling point.
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Nov 4, 2015 20:28
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Hobo By Design posted:"Realistic military procurement!" should have been a selling point. I would have visited MB a whole lot more if I could have seen the R&D boys testing the various "in development" equipment which inevitably fucks up horribly and then the gently caress ups just get rolled into the final version
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Nov 4, 2015 22:21
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read a neogaf thread about how "mgsv is the worst mgs ever" and now I think I contracted eyeball cancer then again this may have started at "read a neogaf thread"
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Nov 5, 2015 00:54
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MinibarMatchman posted:read a neogaf thread about how "mgsv is the worst mgs ever" and now I think I contracted eyeball cancer Definitely. It's just people butthurt over the twist/Konami shuttering Kojima Productions/whatever their infantile brains are mad about today.
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Nov 5, 2015 01:05
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MeatwadIsGod posted:Definitely. It's just people butthurt over the twist/Konami shuttering Kojima Productions/whatever their infantile brains are mad about today. i think it's mainly people upset at "the open world nothingness" but I mean, what do you think MGS3 was a step towards? the entire point of MGS2 was "oh, you want the same game over and over again? well, this is literally a memetic copy of MGS1 in terms of game and story"
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Nov 5, 2015 01:26
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After awhile, i started to like the body double twist as well, but it doesn't help that that makes it the ending and no more story after that. Basically, Skull Face is Peace Walker, Venom Snake discovery is the ZEKE battle. Venom Snake discovery should have been the Peace Walker, but they ran out of time to add more poo poo. Like, there's no loving point now being in mother base because outside of Paz and target practice, there ain't poo poo out there. And with the equipment and guards out there, you can murder the poo poo out of an invader and not worry about what pipes go where, and secret nooks and crannies. It looks like the fake snake was Kojima's plan all along, with the Ground Zeroes ending, but from a gameplay content perspective, it's feels like a cop out.
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Nov 5, 2015 01:38
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Ok, I'm at 98% with only Side Op 150 and Mission 45 to go. Removing my butterfly soon. What is a good last non-lethal dance with Quiet? Farm every S rank between Main Base Camp and OKB Zero?
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Nov 5, 2015 06:36
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You should back up your save so you can replay with her if the mood ever strikes you.
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Nov 5, 2015 09:57
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Some days, you'll feed on a TREE FROG
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Nov 5, 2015 10:36
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Shaocaholica posted:How exactly does Quiet know Navajo? Was she raised Navajo or just learned it at Cipher University? Stephanie has that half asian/native american look so maybe shes supposed to be part Navajo? There is a tape where skull face forces code talker into complying and continuing his research by threatening to infect some of his people he has captive with the English language parasite. He refuses once, and Skullface has Quiet infected.
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Nov 5, 2015 10:56
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Nakar posted:They did stop him, it's more that they wanted him to die in agony that makes the whole thing seem hosed up and empty. They knew Skull Face had some parasites keeping him alive so he could've taken forever to die. They'd won at that point, defeated Sahelanthropus and destroyed the English strain (other than Mantis jacking one). The fact that they torture him rather than just pop him in the dome and head home cheapens the heroic things they actually did to save the world. To be fair it isn't like Skull Face hasn't tortured a whole lot of people just to grandstand and soapbox for tapes. The man kind of deserved to truly be on the receiving side at the end begging to go out. The feeling bad part about V doing this to Skull Face sort of loses impact when they're all terrible people doing terrible things to each other.
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Lexusbeat posted:There is a tape where skull face forces code talker into complying and continuing his research by threatening to infect some of his people he has captive with the English language parasite. I took the end of that tape to imply that Skullface was lying about infecting anyone else when the bell rung. Quiet knows Navajo because PLOT/she's a secret agent/PLOT.
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Nov 5, 2015 11:24
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Lexusbeat posted:There is a tape where skull face forces code talker into complying and continuing his research by threatening to infect some of his people he has captive with the English language parasite. Not true. Skull Face was just trolling Code Talker like some cartoon villain, no one was infected. It's really weird, especially if you recall what he did to the kids at Camp Omega. I guess Skull Face is only ruthless and grimdark when the plot wants him to be.
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Nov 5, 2015 13:08
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Ground Zeroes Skull Face is a gross monster, Phantom Pain Skull Face is an endearingly hammy weirdo. They barely feel like the same person.
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Nov 5, 2015 15:58
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Sue posted:Not true. If he infected some random villager he'd be giving up control of the parasite's distribution
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Nov 5, 2015 16:25
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Maybe the same message applies both ways, that everybody is also actually skull face. That's why his name is an adjective.
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Nov 5, 2015 16:35
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In It For The Tank posted:You should back up your save so you can replay with her if the mood ever strikes you. Check out the big brain on Brad! thank you
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Slightly Toasted posted:Maybe the same message applies both ways, that everybody is also actually skull face. That's why his name is an adjective. If we take this to its logical conclusion, than it means that Miller wants to brutally seek revenge on the players for being assholes.
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