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Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy

Kraftwerk posted:

I wonder if joining the NDP and trying to reform it from within is a viable strategy? I heard party insiders have a way of keeping the dissent down and ensuring the status quo remains.

Wtf? Why do I have a Bonzi Buddy avatar?

I dunno but I took Helsing's advice and joined.

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Ron Paul Atreides
Apr 19, 2012

Uyghurs situation in Xinjiang? Just a police action, do not fret. Not ongoing genocide like in EVIL Canada.

I am definitely not a tankie.

mik posted:

A lot of the forthcoming/past international agreements on climate change are going to be ultimately negotiated through foreign affairs so I would imagine he's going to have just as much influence on Canadian climate policy as being in the actual Environment Ministry.

thanks, I was trying to wrap my head around the appointment (I like Dion and am glad he is in cabinet but was expecting environment like most goons apparently) but this makes a lot of sense, I imagine he'll be working a lot with McKenna to align domestic policy with international commitments.


Also Catherine McKenna is the sister of Patrick McKenna right? I didn't imagine that? I could've sworn it was mentioned in a past thread but googling reveals no info one way or the other

Nine of Eight
Apr 28, 2011


LICK IT OFF, AND PUT IT BACK IN
Dinosaur Gum

flakeloaf posted:

You look like a garbage dick to me, Kraftwerk :confused:


So how does that work exactly: You go to a clinic (what kind; walk-in or specialist?) in Quebec, they do a procedure to you and they charge you a service fee? Is this why I can't get anywhere near an Appletree after 10 AM because the waiting rooms are packed with Quebeckers, which I totally don't mind because they have the same right to health care as I do but it's weird that they have to come here to get it.

Pretty much. It's a way for clinics to make an extra few bucks offering a service that should theoretically be "public", all while rationing it to those who are willing to and can spend a bit more. Because obviously the proper response to long wait times should be "gently caress the poor".

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy

Ron Paul Atreides posted:

Also Catherine McKenna is the sister of Patrick McKenna right? I didn't imagine that? I could've sworn it was mentioned in a past thread but googling reveals no info one way or the other

Patrick McKenna is from Hamilton, and his mom is named Pat. That can't be a coincidence.

BGrifter
Mar 16, 2007

Winner of Something Awful PS5 thread's Posting Excellence Award June 2022

Congratulations!

Morroque posted:

My solution: have Canada be the queen. Canada is Queen.

Nah, the obvious solution is Queen Marg Delahunty.



Seems much more relevant and useful than the current Queen.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
So Kent Hehr wrote a column in the Calgary Herald this morning: http://calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/hehr-a-champion-for-calgary-takes-his-place-in-cabinet

In what seems like an insane twist of fate, the comments are (so far) readable, but the Twitter responses to him included such gems as:

"Shouldn't you be a good representative for all of Alberta?"
"Shouldn't you represent all Canadians equally since you're in cabinet?"
"You should ignore your riding to focus more on your ministerial portfolio."

What's wrong with the retards in this country? Do they even have an idea how our political system works?

Ron Paul Atreides
Apr 19, 2012

Uyghurs situation in Xinjiang? Just a police action, do not fret. Not ongoing genocide like in EVIL Canada.

I am definitely not a tankie.

BGrifter posted:

Nah, the obvious solution is Queen Marg Delahunty.



Seems much more relevant and useful than the current Queen.

I understand the institution getting flak but tbh Elizabeth had a pretty reasonable track record for a figurehead monarch. :shrug:

Her family has been poo poo at times (and her son is kinda bonkers) but she's never really struck me as disgracing the role she plays as the unifying figure of Commonwealth nations shared history. There are lots of dumb things that get done for the sake of tradition, don't see why the monarchy is singled out in particular, it's not like she's been constantly getting away with illegal corgi fights because of her status.

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

quote:

It’s also besties no more. New Foreign Affairs Minister Stéphane Dion says while Israel is a friend, Canada can help more by returning to its honest broker role and improving its relations with other Middle East nations than continuing the policies of the former Conservative government. “The main difference is that we will stop making it a partisan issue,” Dion said. Our Elizabeth Thompson has that story.

Great, now push the Israeli's for an actual peace deal with the Palestinians.


quote:

NDP Leader Tom Mulcair faced his caucus yesterday for the first time since their thumping and afterwards said the party deserves credit for getting the Conservatives out of government. "I think the NDP formed the only real opposition Mr. Harper ever had to face and that's one of the reasons we were able to defeat him.” Right. Is Tom aware of the small shindig that went down at Rideau Hall earlier in the day?

There is no silver lining here, you lost Mulcair. The pettiness of moving the goalposts to support that claim puts you alongside of the departing CPC party and I am not a fan of that. Admit defeat and be humble, take lessons and move forward.


vyelkin posted:

Harjit Sajjan, our new Minister of Defence, everybody:



I like him

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord
You shitlords are wayy wayyyyyyy behind the ball today. I saved a copy in case it disappears.

:siren: TPP TEXT :siren:

http://www.mfat.govt.nz/Treaties-and-International-Law/01-Treaties-for-which-NZ-is-Depositary/0-Trans-Pacific-Partnership-Text.php
http://www.mfat.govt.nz/downloads/trade-agreement/transpacific/TPP-text/TPP_All-Chapters.zip

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

BGrifter posted:

Nah, the obvious solution is Queen Marg Delahunty.



Seems much more relevant and useful than the current Queen.

Alternate: Scott Thompson in drag as QEII.


Ron Paul Atreides posted:

I understand the institution getting flak but tbh Elizabeth had a pretty reasonable track record for a figurehead monarch. :shrug:

Her family has been poo poo at times (and her son is kinda bonkers) but she's never really struck me as disgracing the role she plays as the unifying figure of Commonwealth nations shared history. There are lots of dumb things that get done for the sake of tradition, don't see why the monarchy is singled out in particular, it's not like she's been constantly getting away with illegal corgi fights because of her status.
Prince Charles is the main argument in favour of abolishing the Monarchy while Liz is still alive.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

jm20 posted:

Great, now push the Israeli's for an actual peace deal with the Palestinians.

This is a good first step, and god forgive me for saying this, but Dion might make a decent Minister of Foreign Affairs if he keeps this up.

BGrifter
Mar 16, 2007

Winner of Something Awful PS5 thread's Posting Excellence Award June 2022

Congratulations!

Entropic posted:

Alternate: Scott Thompson in drag as QEII.

I think we have a chain of succession in place!

Edit:

Ron Paul Atreides posted:

I understand the institution getting flak but tbh Elizabeth had a pretty reasonable track record for a figurehead monarch. :shrug:

Her family has been poo poo at times (and her son is kinda bonkers) but she's never really struck me as disgracing the role she plays as the unifying figure of Commonwealth nations shared history. There are lots of dumb things that get done for the sake of tradition, don't see why the monarchy is singled out in particular, it's not like she's been constantly getting away with illegal corgi fights because of her status.

I don't have anything in particular against the current queen, she's been as inoffensive as you could hope. It just irks me funding vacations for rich douchebags while in the same breath cutting valuable social spending. It's not an issue that would move my vote. I'm definitely game for replacing the Queen with a fictional character of some sort though, seems much more cost effective.

BGrifter fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Nov 5, 2015

Ron Paul Atreides
Apr 19, 2012

Uyghurs situation in Xinjiang? Just a police action, do not fret. Not ongoing genocide like in EVIL Canada.

I am definitely not a tankie.

PT6A posted:

This is a good first step, and god forgive me for saying this, but Dion might make a decent Minister of Foreign Affairs if he keeps this up.

Dion is a good policy guy. He lacked the in leadership role but he's definitely not a bad choice for a cabinet position.

BGrifter posted:

I don't have anything in particular against the current queen, she's been as inoffensive as you could hope. It just irks me funding vacations for rich douchebags while in the same breath cutting valuable social spending. It's not an issue that would move my vote. I'm definitely game for replacing the Queen with a fictional character of some sort though, seems much more cost effective.

Fair enough

Ron Paul Atreides fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Nov 5, 2015

colonel_korn
May 16, 2003

https://www.facebook.com/josie.marie.1654/videos/10153548065905804/

Jody Wilson Raybould's father, Bill Wilson, debating with Justin Trudeau's father (you may have heard of him) in the 80s. Tells him that his daughter wants to be a lawyer and eventually prime minister :3:

Kafka Esq.
Jan 1, 2005

"If you ever even think about calling me anything but 'The Crab' I will go so fucking crab on your ass you won't even see what crab'd your crab" -The Crab(TM)

I was too busy reading it.

smoke sumthin bitch
Dec 14, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
imo the queen should be promptly guillotined on the public square and her trillions in assets be given back to the populace . nothing is more repugnant than totalitarianism and monarchy. she symbolizes submission, subservience and authoritarianism among other vile things

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
Counterpoint: the Queen is nice, we shouldn't kill her. Wait until she dies, and then Charles can go the way of the first King of England who shared his name for all I care.

I don't really care, though, it's not like the royals are harming me by existing.

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

Kafka Esq. posted:

I was too busy reading it.

Signatories have a 5 year timeline to

quote:

freedom of association and the effective recognition of the right to collective
bargaining;
(b) the elimination of all forms of forced or compulsory labour;
(c) the effective abolition of child labour, a prohibition on the worst forms of
child labour and other labour protections for children and minors;
(d) the elimination of discrimination in respect of employment and occupation;
and
(e) acceptable conditions of work with respect to minimum wages1
, hours of
work, and occupational safety and health;

Good luck getting Vietnam, Peru, Mexico, and Malaysia on board. Mexico already uses child labour for agriculture under NAFTA.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

PT6A posted:

Counterpoint: the Queen is nice, we shouldn't kill her. Wait until she dies, and then Charles can go the way of the first King of England who shared his name for all I care.

Dying of a stroke in Germany?

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
TPP's words on expropriation actually sound reasonable to me, but IANAL so who knows.

quote:

Article 9.7: Expropriation and Compensation16
1. No Party shall expropriate or nationalise a covered investment either directly or indirectly through measures equivalent to expropriation or nationalisation (expropriation), except:
(a) for a public purpose17, 18;
(b) in a non-discriminatory manner;
(c) on payment of prompt, adequate and effective compensation in accordance with paragraphs 2, 3 and 4; and
(d) in accordance with due process of law.
2. Compensation shall:
(a) be paid without delay;
(b) be equivalent to the fair market value of the expropriated investment immediately before the expropriation took place (the date of expropriation);
(c) not reflect any change in value occurring because the intended expropriation had become known earlier; and
(d) be fully realisable and freely transferable.
3. If the fair market value is denominated in a freely usable currency, the compensation paid shall be no less than the fair market value on the date of expropriation, plus interest at a commercially reasonable rate for that currency, accrued from the date of expropriation until the date of payment.
4. If the fair market value is denominated in a currency that is not freely usable, the compensation paid, converted into the currency of payment at the market rate of exchange prevailing on the date of payment, shall be no less than:
(a) the fair market value on the date of expropriation, converted into a freely usable currency at the market rate of exchange prevailing on that date; plus
(b) interest, at a commercially reasonable rate for that freely usable currency, accrued from the date of expropriation until the date of payment.
5. This Article shall not apply to the issuance of compulsory licences granted in relation to intellectual property rights in accordance with the TRIPS Agreement, or to the revocation, limitation or creation of intellectual property rights, to the extent that the issuance, revocation, limitation or creation is consistent with Chapter 18 (Intellectual Property) and the TRIPS Agreement.19
6. For greater certainty, a Party’s decision not to issue, renew or maintain a subsidy or grant, or decision to modify or reduce a subsidy or grant,
(a) in the absence of any specific commitment under law or contract to issue, renew or maintain that subsidy or grant; or
(b) in accordance with any terms or conditions attached to the issuance, renewal, modification, reduction and maintenance of that subsidy or grant, standing alone, does not constitute an expropriation.



Annex 9-B
Expropriation
The Parties confirm their shared understanding that:
1. An action or a series of actions by a Party cannot constitute an expropriation unless it interferes with a tangible or intangible property right or property interest in an investment.
2. Article 9.7.1 (Expropriation and Compensation) addresses two situations. The first is direct expropriation, in which an investment is nationalised or otherwise directly expropriated through formal transfer of title or outright seizure.
3. The second situation addressed by Article 9.7.1 (Expropriation and Compensation) is indirect expropriation, in which an action or series of actions by a Party has an effect equivalent to direct expropriation without formal transfer of title or outright seizure.
(a) The determination of whether an action or series of actions by a Party, in a specific fact situation, constitutes an indirect expropriation, requires a case-bycase, fact-based inquiry that considers, among other factors:
(i) the economic impact of the government action, although the fact that an action or series of actions by a Party has an adverse effect on the economic value of an investment, standing alone, does not establish that an indirect expropriation has occurred;
(ii) the extent to which the government action interferes with distinct, reasonable investment-backed expectations; 36 and
(iii) the character of the government action.
(b) Non-discriminatory regulatory actions by a Party that are designed and applied to protect legitimate public welfare objectives, such as public health,37 safety and the environment, do not constitute indirect expropriations, except in rare circumstances.

"Tantamount to expropriation" was the big NAFTA clause that allowed ISDS mechanisms to gently caress over Canada and Mexico so maybe the TPP will actually be an upgrade on that.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

flakeloaf posted:

Dying of a stroke in Germany?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_I_of_England

Yes, I know kings' regnal names aren't generally the same as their names by birth, but otherwise the joke doesn't work.

cheese sandwich
Feb 9, 2009

By most accounts the royals spend the majority of their time on philanthropy and charity work and their assets are shrinking in a world where they're less relevant than ever. I'm not sure I really understand the hostility. The Queen is a neat lady that's been in her position for an unprecedented length of time during which her influence has been mostly positive.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

I'd wager she's significantly more popular than the institution she represents. She also got some pretty good boosts from her mother and husband, both of whom were hilarious.

PT6A posted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_I_of_England

Yes, I know kings' regnal names aren't generally the same as their names by birth, but otherwise the joke doesn't work.

Oh I heard you okay, mine doesn't work if you take it the other way. Besides, if we did it your way then we'd need a Canadian Cromwell and the list of candidates for that role worries me.

Furnaceface
Oct 21, 2004




Slightly Toasted posted:

By most accounts the royals spend the majority of their time on philanthropy and charity work and their assets are shrinking in a world where they're less relevant than ever. I'm not sure I really understand the hostility. The Queen is a neat lady that's been in her position for an unprecedented length of time during which her influence has been mostly positive.

They didnt exactly come into all that money with luck and good work ethic...

pubic void nullo
May 17, 2002


jm20 posted:

Signatories have a 5 year timeline to


Good luck getting Vietnam, Peru, Mexico, and Malaysia on board. Mexico already uses child labour for agriculture under NAFTA.

Canada uses child labour for agriculture.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/withrow-farm-deaths-alberta-children-protection-legislation-1.3274904

quote:

Alberta is the only province with no safety standards for farm workers — and no child labour standards.

Listen in detail:
http://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/the-current-for-october-16-2015-1.3274058/a-call-for-legislation-to-protect-children-on-farms-1.3274064

But they're our kids, on our farm *3 unsupervised girls die crushed under a truckload of grain in a workplace with no safety standards* It was a tragic, unpreventable accident

pubic void nullo fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Nov 5, 2015

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
I'm down to get rid of the royalty but only because I don't want Charles' face on Canadian money.

Ron Paul Atreides
Apr 19, 2012

Uyghurs situation in Xinjiang? Just a police action, do not fret. Not ongoing genocide like in EVIL Canada.

I am definitely not a tankie.

Slightly Toasted posted:

By most accounts the royals spend the majority of their time on philanthropy and charity work and their assets are shrinking in a world where they're less relevant than ever. I'm not sure I really understand the hostility. The Queen is a neat lady that's been in her position for an unprecedented length of time during which her influence has been mostly positive.

she also has really cute dogs and is one of the few almost Nonagenerians grandmothers who can fix her own car.

Ron Paul Atreides
Apr 19, 2012

Uyghurs situation in Xinjiang? Just a police action, do not fret. Not ongoing genocide like in EVIL Canada.

I am definitely not a tankie.

flakeloaf posted:

I'd wager she's significantly more popular than the institution she represents. She also got some pretty good boosts from her mother and husband, both of whom were hilarious.

wait were? Phillip is still alive though? Unless that's changed very recently :ohdear:

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

vyelkin posted:

I'm down to get rid of the royalty but only because I don't want Charles' face on Canadian money.

This is honestly my main concern with the continuation of the monarchy. King William would probably be okay, but Charles is goofy looking and very stupid.

Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009

jm20 posted:

Signatories have a 5 year timeline to


Good luck getting Vietnam, Peru, Mexico, and Malaysia on board. Mexico already uses child labour for agriculture under NAFTA.

It won't be a problem. They'll sign it and then promptly ignore it.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

Her dogs are assholes who snap at people and aren't housetrained.

Ron Paul Atreides posted:

wait were? Phillip is still alive?

Yeah but they don't let him talk anymore.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Ron Paul Atreides posted:

wait were? Phillip is still alive though? Unless that's changed very recently :ohdear:

He is still alive.

I also learned from "An Idiot Abroad" that he is worshipped as a deity by some tribe in the South Pacific!

Ron Paul Atreides
Apr 19, 2012

Uyghurs situation in Xinjiang? Just a police action, do not fret. Not ongoing genocide like in EVIL Canada.

I am definitely not a tankie.

flakeloaf posted:

Her dogs are assholes who snap at people and aren't housetrained.


Yeah but they don't let him talk anymore.

in her declining years, unable to keep up with the incessant inbreeding of her pack (taking a cue from their owner's pedigree), the queen slowly allows Buckingham Palace to be overrun by feral corgis who now terrorize the staff, guards and tourists who dare stray too close to the trees and bushes they've peed on.

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

pubic void nullo posted:

Canada uses child labour for agriculture.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/withrow-farm-deaths-alberta-children-protection-legislation-1.3274904


Listen in detail:
http://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/the-current-for-october-16-2015-1.3274058/a-call-for-legislation-to-protect-children-on-farms-1.3274064

But they're our kids, on our farm *3 unsupervised girls die crushed under a truckload of grain in a workplace with no safety standards* It was a tragic, unpreventable accident

To be fair they are part of a family business, it's not like Alberta farmers actively recruit workers from primary school. In Mexico's case there is a very large migrant population that is paid daily rates for picking agriculture, which is then sold in Canadian markets under NAFTA. The way Canadian agriculture competes with that is to import Mexican workers under TFW to pick our agriculture which is pretty :psyduck:

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:
So, yeah, we're bringing back the Long Form Census

brucio
Nov 22, 2004

Jordan7hm posted:


- McKenna was on CBC this morning and really needs to go talk to a speech person about her incredible overuse of the phrase "you know".

Seriously. It's a really bad tic. I had to stop listening because it was happening every 10 seconds.

I get that the new ministers want to show that they're going to be different but I kind of wish they had waited to be briefed a tiny bit before rushing to the microphones.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Man, all the Sikh cabinet ministers seem so chill, and actually pretty good at what little they've done so far.

I can't believe there's people still pissing and moaning about "the death of merit" when every cabinet minister appears to be eminently qualified for their respective positions.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

As an NCM you get used to the idea of an inverse-praise system, where the idiocy of the things your boss complains about is proportionate to your excellence.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:

PT6A posted:

Man, all the Sikh cabinet ministers seem so chill, and actually pretty good at what little they've done so far.

I can't believe there's people still pissing and moaning about "the death of merit" when every cabinet minister appears to be eminently qualified for their respective positions.

Yeah, I just lost on my longest friends over this. But, I cannot in good concious be friends with a misogynistic racist so, yeha. (Like actually full on level. )

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Ron Paul Atreides
Apr 19, 2012

Uyghurs situation in Xinjiang? Just a police action, do not fret. Not ongoing genocide like in EVIL Canada.

I am definitely not a tankie.

PT6A posted:

Man, all the Sikh cabinet ministers seem so chill, and actually pretty good at what little they've done so far.

I can't believe there's people still pissing and moaning about "the death of merit" when every cabinet minister appears to be eminently qualified for their respective positions.

That's because regressive poo poo heads assume the most qualified candidates are defacto Male (also usually white) so the idea that women and minorities could be eminently qualified for a position is not something they can reconcile.

But really, it's Trudeau who is being sexist/racist by acknowledging race gender and disabilities at all

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