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Lurdiak posted:I couldn't possibly disagree more. Hobo Phoenix is a neat visual design but his personality is like a combination of all my least favorite anime character tropes. All that was missing was him constantly pushing up his glasses while smirking. 
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He's not smirking while doing that, though. He's scowling, much better. Also hobo Phoenix was excellent for case 1 imo, outside of being annoyingly secretive.
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Nov 5, 2015 03:37
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My biggest annoyance with that case was the fact that Phoenix literally forged evidence and used it in a court of law. He used Apollo just to do it, even. Even if you ignore how out of character he is in the rest of the game, I could never see Phoenix doing that.
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Nov 5, 2015 03:39
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Kajeesus posted:He's not smirking while doing that, though. He's scowling, much better.  See? His hand is smirking.
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Nov 5, 2015 03:40
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Kristoph is a creepy guy. I wonder if he'll come back in AA6. Maybe as the final boss for Apollo in Japanifornia.TheKingofSprings posted:It would be wrong if a guilty person were found innocent because someone was threatening to gank the judge's kid Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Naturally, stall tactics in real life scenarios are scummy, but I think there's a bit of suspension of disbelief to have for a universe like this.
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Nov 5, 2015 03:40
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Professor Layton vs. Kristoph Gavin.
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Nov 5, 2015 03:43
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Apollo does some of Kristoph's animations in the last DD case and quotes him verbatim once. It's really creepy, like Edgeworth dressed like Manfred in that flashback case in AA3.
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Nov 5, 2015 03:52
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Yeah, it was a neat reminder that while Apollo was taken in by Phoenix early on and ends up a cool guy, he was trained by a big ol' scumbag. What would have happened to Apollo if Phoenix hadn't been his first client?
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Nov 5, 2015 03:57
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Did they ever explain Kristoph's black psyche locks in Apollo Justice? I don't remember that being resolved, but it's been years since I've touched that game.
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Nov 5, 2015 04:07
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They showed up in AA5 as repressed memories, so the closest I could guess for Kristoph is that he knew, but couldn't admit to himself, that he did everything for incredibly petty reasons.
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Nov 5, 2015 04:11
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How much of a crime is it that I have still not seen the Ace Attorney movie
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Nov 5, 2015 04:52
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Last Celebration posted:Um, obviously that's what Kristoph is there for, mouthbreather. AJ is right up there with trials and tribulations for having the best case 1 in the series.
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Nov 5, 2015 05:03
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TheKingofSprings posted:It would be wrong if a guilty person were found innocent because someone was threatening to gank the judge's kid Legal defence providing a good-faith effort to defend their client is a cornerstone of modern justice. I don't really mind given it was Ace Attorney and as you say there's bigger things going on, but it was still pretty funny and kinda weird how Ray goes in with the express purpose of his client being found guilty
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Nov 5, 2015 09:39
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Funky Valentine posted:Apollo does some of Kristoph's animations in the last DD case and quotes him verbatim once. It's really creepy, like Edgeworth dressed like Manfred in that flashback case in AA3. Wait what was this Kristoph quote that Apollo said?
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Nov 5, 2015 09:41
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Kajeesus posted:He's not smirking while doing that, though. He's scowling, much better. Case 1 of Apollo Justice is a very good opening to a game filled with nothing but disappointment.
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Nov 5, 2015 09:44
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I liked Hobo Phoenix in the sense that it's a Phoenix consumed with getting the sweetest revenge ever. Like...man, if Phoenix were an evil man he'd be downright terrifying.
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Nov 5, 2015 09:51
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Raxivace posted:Wait what was this Kristoph quote that Apollo said? In a court of law, evidence is everything.
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Nov 5, 2015 09:56
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A Steampunk Gent posted:Legal defence providing a good-faith effort to defend their client is a cornerstone of modern justice. I don't really mind given it was Ace Attorney and as you say there's bigger things going on, but it was still pretty funny and kinda weird how Ray goes in with the express purpose of his client being found guilty Same deal as the last case in JFA. I dunno, the series can't decide whether it wants that, or like in this last game with the Athena trial, whether it wants both sides to go all out with everything until whatever remains must be the truth.
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Nov 5, 2015 10:05
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Geniasis posted:Same deal as the last case in JFA. I dunno, the series can't decide whether it wants that, or like in this last game with the Athena trial, whether it wants both sides to go all out with everything until whatever remains must be the truth. JFA handled it with much more grace. First off, Phoenix was being blackmailed into taking the case at all, which not cool and a violation of the attorney-client relationship in itself. Secondly, Phoenix still ends up legitimately defending Engarde and can even enter a Not Guilty plea at the end, he's just help set up a situation where his client willingly incriminates himself in a crafty turnabout on his own blackmail. Whilst I'm not sure how that would hold up in a scholarly legal ethics debate, it's written with alot more thought than Ray's 'I don't wanna!'
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Nov 5, 2015 10:23
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I could actually defend the client to the end, but for some reason he wanted to go to jail, can't do anything about that, oh well. I didn't play Investigation spinoff, though. Also, both the premise and the actual going-ons of the Cosmic Turnaround are insane, I can't wait to see just how far Blackquill's case will be from the truth. And the Apollo will triumphantly arrive with forged evidence, all "OBJECTION"-like, and Phoenix will just grin and say that he had already won, calm down, kid. Merely speculation on my part, but I suspect that the second rocket will play a major role, perhaps even being the place where the crime took place? time will tell.
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Nov 5, 2015 11:53
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You should play Investigations 2 though.
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Nov 5, 2015 11:58
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Both Investigations are good yet flawed.
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Nov 5, 2015 12:09
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Strange Quark posted:You should play Investigations 2 though. Is it good? Looking it up I can only find Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth, and "Investigations 2" just brings up some manga. What's the full name of AAI 2? Edit: actually, I think I've played the beginning of the Edgeworth game and stopped after the first or the second case, it's worn me down with the endless stream of hints or logic analyses - I don't think it's a game for me, even though the plot seemed to get somewhere interesting.
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Nov 5, 2015 12:13
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Szurumbur posted:Is it good? Looking it up I can only find Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth, and "Investigations 2" just brings up some manga. What's the full name of AAI 2? Investigations 1 is mostly mediocre. Ace Attorney Investigations 2 is arguably the best game in the franchise. It's not out in the west and probably never will, though. You'll have to download a translation patch. EDIT: VVV That much is true, unfortunately. You could possibly follow a walkthrough to get through some of the more stupid cases in Investigations a bit more quickly. Fangz fucked around with this message at 12:45 on Nov 5, 2015 |
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Nov 5, 2015 12:43
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You should probably play the first one if you're gonna play the second one. It kinda assumes you know some characters/events pretty hard.
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Nov 5, 2015 12:44
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I'll probably look up a longplay of of AAI:ME then, I don't really feel like playing it again 
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Nov 5, 2015 13:00
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AAI had some really cool characters and plot points but was marred by tedious, uninteresting gameplay and the wet fart of a protagonist that is Edgeworth
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Nov 5, 2015 16:42
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It also had some of the weirdest contradictions in the franchise, like that thing about the number of kidnappers.
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Nov 5, 2015 17:33
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And a final boss that goes on and on
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Nov 5, 2015 17:42
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I like AAI1 more than Apollo Justice, but it's one of the weaker entries. AAI2 however is one of the best.
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AAI2 posits that the root cause of the entire series was a baking competition, which is fantastic.
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Volt Catfish posted:How much of a crime is it that I have still not seen the Ace Attorney movie It kinda sucks, from what I can tell. The First Turnabout ends with Mia solving the case instead of Phoenix for some reason, and Redd White is not Redd White. At all. Szurumbur posted:Is it good? Looking it up I can only find Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth, and "Investigations 2" just brings up some manga. What's the full name of AAI 2? That's because AAI2 is more commonly referred to as Gyakuten Kenji 2. The full name for the patch is AAI2 Prosecutor's Path.
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Calico Heart posted:AAI had some really cool characters and plot points but was marred by tedious, uninteresting gameplay and the wet fart of a protagonist that is Edgeworth My main problem with AAI1 is pacing - the first several cases are out of order, and the second and third cases are slow as poo poo. It gets better after that until the final boss, which takes forever and a day. AAI2 fixes the pacing issues, but occassionally swings too far in the opposite direction by making certain bosses too short. It also hammers its theme into your head a lot more bluntly than AAI1 does. I'd say 2 is a better game than 1 overall, but it's not without its problems.
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Nov 5, 2015 17:58
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The Ace Attorney movie drastically changes the tone of the game, but it's worth watching at least once. It has its flaws, but I liked it well enough.
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Nov 5, 2015 18:01
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At the very least it's fun to watch their interpretation of presenting evidence during court.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIi44sSQCDs
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Nov 5, 2015 18:33
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ChaosArgate posted:At the very least it's fun to watch their interpretation of presenting evidence during court. So this is where Athena got the idea.
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Nov 5, 2015 18:34
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ChaosArgate posted:At the very least it's fun to watch their interpretation of presenting evidence during court. I think I have to watch this
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Nov 5, 2015 18:46
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Haifisch posted:My main problem with AAI1 is pacing - the first several cases are out of order, and the second and third cases are slow as poo poo. It gets better after that until the final boss, which takes forever and a day. AAI2 fixes the pacing issues, but occassionally swings too far in the opposite direction by making certain bosses too short. It also hammers its theme into your head a lot more bluntly than AAI1 does. I'd say 2 is a better game than 1 overall, but it's not without its problems. On the topic of AAI, I couldn't really get into the game because Case 1 is the second to last case chronologically. It really killed my interest to know that at the beginning of the game I was chronologically closer to the end of the mystery and had to keep going back in time to know everything Edgeworth did. Not to mention that it kills any semblance of tension. On the topic of AAI2, the topic of father/son relationships was hamfisted, but it was done in such a corny way that I couldn't help but laugh when the final bit of evidence was a flower representing the bond between father and son.
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Nov 5, 2015 18:48
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:On the topic of AAI, I couldn't really get into the game because Case 1 is the second to last case chronologically. It really killed my interest to know that at the beginning of the game I was chronologically closer to the end of the mystery and had to keep going back in time to know everything Edgeworth did. Not to mention that it kills any semblance of tension. I wish they'd stop doing that, because they clearly write these things as they go along. AA5 has the same problem, where Athena gets frightened of Payne in case one, even though she already took on (and won against!) Blackquill sometime before.
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To be fair, that case did end with her being psychologically attacked by Means. Blackquill is also someone she likes and trusts. Payne was just a jerk who gets off on picking on people. However, I do understand your point and I agree whole-heartedly. The weirdest thing about that case for me, though, was how Juniper display a lot more confidence in Case 3, but is barely able to function in Case 1 without having a nervous breakdown.
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