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Fanzay posted:Am I right in guessing that White Rat does not have tomes and grimoires? It seems too short for that. It definitely has a Grimoire. Go around the wall where the stairs go down, hop over 2 pillars and go up into the room.
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Fanzay posted:Am I right in guessing that White Rat does not have tomes and grimoires? It seems too short for that. There is one grimoire at the beginning, before you see any rats, but that's it.
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Nov 5, 2015 15:40
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If you look at the map, the shield around a mission means it has some number of grimoires/tomes.
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Nov 5, 2015 16:00
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I guess I just got learnt! Thanks, thread.
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Nov 5, 2015 16:09
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moths posted:Goblin fanatic would make Rogre look like a little fat baby. The only unit more prone to killing teammates than the average Skaven kit. Because I totally didn't regularly use my own units as lightning rods to kill a chaos knight or two or something.
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Nov 5, 2015 16:50
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moths posted:Goblin fanatic would make Rogre look like a little fat baby. an actual ogre would make us weep. Especially if he has a cannon hand. E: Started playing the dwarf really liking the axes they're fun to cut people up with. His shotgun is pretty amazing minus the no armor pen. Al Borland fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Nov 5, 2015 |
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Nov 5, 2015 17:08
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Oh man I got these orange dual pistols that don't need ammo for the dwarf? Goddamn those are fun! Mage dwarf from afar and choppy dwarf up close. Goty
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Nov 5, 2015 17:31
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lol u poz bro posted:Oh man I got these orange dual pistols that don't need ammo for the dwarf? Goddamn those are fun! Mage dwarf from afar and choppy dwarf up close. Goty drakefire pistols are basically the best thing since strong beer for a dwarf, since they still gently caress up specials at a reasonably far range, but they can be used freely to thin out hordes or pull waiting rats to you since you don't have to give a poo poo about ammo.
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Nov 5, 2015 17:39
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Help me understand the RatOgres, because I feel like they always take far too long to take down. I'm using powered attacks on them, trying to hit them in the head, but it doesn't seem to do jackshit. Neither does shooting them in the face from up close with a blue Blunderbuss.
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Nov 5, 2015 18:21
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Powered attacks aren't necessarily the best DPS for a weapon. In fact most weapons do far more DPS windmilling away with click attacks. The Rapier being a notable exception to that. Also don't bother trying to go for headshots unless you're using something like Dual Daggers with the Headshot trait., it's just asking to get punted. Stand behind them and just stab away until it dies.
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Nov 5, 2015 18:24
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SlyFrog posted:Help me understand the RatOgres, because I feel like they always take far too long to take down. Strength potions and bombs.
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Nov 5, 2015 18:25
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Rat Ogres DO take a long time to take down. The basic thing is that whomever it is looking at needs to back away, put their guard up, and try to dodge any attacks. Everyone else needs to hit it in the butt as hard as they can, and as fast as they can. That's the basic. The issue is that Rat Ogres actively induce a horde event shortly after they go active, and will do so again if they are up too long. So really what you should be doing is designating two teams of two. One to sit on the rat ogre and keep it busy, the other team to handle the incoming flood of clan and slave rats. After the little rats are sorted out, the horde team can jump on the ogre too.
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Nov 5, 2015 18:25
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I think I've noticed why the fire swords mess me up a little with Sienna. I think their attacks slow down if you're heavily overcharged. The timing seems to become more sluggish. Has anyone else noticed this?
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Nov 5, 2015 18:26
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SlyFrog posted:Help me understand the RatOgres, because I feel like they always take far too long to take down. If you're using the Soldier, put the Blunderbuss away, you're just tickling it with that piece of poo poo. Primary attack on the soldier's hammer hits harder, charged on his sword, otherwise just whack him with rapid clicking until he falls over. If you have a WH, strength potion and mag dumping with his pistols does a lot to the rat ogre too. Supposedly the swift bow/hagbane bow do a lot with this setup too. Haven't really had an excuse to try though.
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Nov 5, 2015 18:28
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SlyFrog posted:Help me understand the RatOgres, because I feel like they always take far too long to take down. Ok, this is because you are doing it wrong. Powered attacks are not helpful in general for rat ogres, they are not armored. You want to go for maximum damage. However, the main thing is that it really is a team effort. Whoever has aggro really shouldn't be trying to do any significant damage, just blocking or dodging. The other 3 players should be rushing up behind the ogre and pummeling it with fast strikes. Using a strength potion and tossing grenades does a lot of damage, and will stagger it for a bit. As BW: use strength potion and go up to full overheat dumping fire into the ogre, then rush in for melee. Try to keep the ogre burning as much as possible, as this has a significant effect. As WH: use whatever potion and dump all ammo from dual pistols into it right at the beginning. This is worth the tradeoff in potential health lost. Maybe save a few bullets for some packmaster emergency. All other classes just block/dodge and wail on his back. If everyone is doing their part it should go down fairly quickly. Edit: Also, as stated above, keeping an eye on clearing normal rats is an important role as well. BW can do this fairly well with fire, but depends on map and location how this ends up playing out. Skandranon fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Nov 5, 2015 |
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Nov 5, 2015 18:29
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Skandranon posted:Ok, this is because you are doing it wrong. Powered attacks are not helpful in general for rat ogres, they are not armored. You want to go for maximum damage. However, the main thing is that it really is a team effort. Whoever has aggro really shouldn't be trying to do any significant damage, just blocking or dodging. The other 3 players should be rushing up behind the ogre and pummeling it with fast strikes. Using a strength potion and tossing grenades does a lot of damage, and will stagger it for a bit. One more thing, don't forget to teabag it at the end.
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I got curious and played around with the cheat engine for rat ogres. On hard, it took over 150 shots from a blue WH repeater to kill it. My blue handgun on the dwarf took around 50. Rogres have a gently caress load of health. I should check how effective bombs are. I can play around with other weapons if people want, but I don't have a lot of the good ranged weapons.
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Nov 5, 2015 18:48
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Two things that I've been experimenting with: Has anyone developed a best practice for destroying mission objects (support chains/pillars)? When I'm doing it solo, I shave a good 5 to 10 seconds of my time destroying these things by using rapier, one-handed hammer, battle-scepter, or one-handed axe charged attacks. The thing these all have in common is fast, armor piercing charge attacks. Spamming fast, normal attacks seem to take significantly more time to down an object even with these weapons. Perhaps these things count as having some form of armor? If that's the case, my demolition speed with armor piercing, two-handers is still noticeably slower due to slower attack speeds. I haven't gotten to test it super scientifically. Maybe you guys have some anecdotal experience that we can all benefit from as well. For that matter, what about gates/board barriers? I've found that anything with a vertical attack seems to be a bit faster for boards. My one-handed hammer is especially good for this (charged attack). Perhaps the boards have individual hit-boxes that you can *ding* all at once with vertical attacks? I don't break down a lot of gates.All I've got is anecdotes here. Maybe someone else has better research.
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Nov 5, 2015 18:51
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Rogres have 1k health on hard iirc ^^^ Shield bashes seem to do dick and fast weapon attacks are better for those I feel.
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Elpato posted:Two things that I've been experimenting with: Strength potions help, I can 2 shot them with a strength potion + 2h hammer.
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Nov 5, 2015 18:57
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Speaking of strength potions, remember that it gives you armor pen. If there's a bunch of Stormvermin, chug one!
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Nov 5, 2015 18:58
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Night10194 posted:I think I've noticed why the fire swords mess me up a little with Sienna. Yes, but, I assumed all weapons do? It never occurred to me it was only the fire sword. Yesterday I was 2-h dwarfing it in nightmare and I completely humiliated myself. Is the charge up for 2 handed hammer longer than for the shield? I can't explain why I can't get in the rhythm, and I hope to god there were lag effects, because every loving time I turned around it was six rats stabbing me and I swear to god I checked my blind spots before shooting that packmaster there shouldn't have been any, let alone six rats stabbing my kidneys but every goddamn time there were. Krinkle fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Nov 5, 2015 |
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Nov 5, 2015 18:59
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Krinkle posted:Yes, but, I assumed all weapons do? It never occurred to me it was only the fire sword. I assume it has to do with the attack speed stat on the charged attack. Rapier can charged attack like twice for every two-hander charged attack.
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I got a cool rifle for my dwarf which gibs stormvermin wherever you shoot them and can kill multiple ones in a row  feels good
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Krinkle posted:Yes, but, I assumed all weapons do? It never occurred to me it was only the fire sword. All weapons have different timings for their charged attacks.
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Nov 5, 2015 19:57
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I just got a 2nd green beam staff and one has extra zoom and the other does not and they both zoom the exact same amount. I tried using the rapier pistol button and no additional zoom happens. I don't get it. This second staff, what does "every shot has a chance to split into two" even mean to a beam staff with a shotgun left click? Double shotgun sometimes?
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Nov 5, 2015 20:13
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If you left click while beaming it does a burst shot at the spot. That can sometimes split into two. I can't tell on the shotgun since it leaves no marks on the wall.
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Nov 5, 2015 20:16
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I think there's some affixes which are just non-functional. I have a repeater for the soldier that has a chance to make shots act as if they were headshots, except the repeater doesn't have the headshot property 
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Metrohunter posted:I think there's some affixes which are just non-functional. I have a repeater for the soldier that has a chance to make shots act as if they were headshots, except the repeater doesn't have the headshot property Headshots do extra damage on all weapons. The Headshot property just means it does even more extra damage.
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Nov 5, 2015 20:34
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Weapons without headshot still do extra damage, I think it's just that ones with headshot do extra damage compared to other weapons. That's just my guess because the modifiers are poorly explained
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Nov 5, 2015 20:35
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Metrohunter posted:I think there's some affixes which are just non-functional. I have a repeater for the soldier that has a chance to make shots act as if they were headshots, except the repeater doesn't have the headshot property Headshot has 2 definitions in the game. Headshot definition 1 = location-based damage bonus. If you hit or shoot something in its head, it takes extra damage. Headshot definition 2 = extra-special increased damage bonus (on top of #1) if you hit or shoot something in the head. This is the definition referred to by weapons with the "headshot" descriptive text. sushibandit fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Nov 5, 2015 |
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Nov 5, 2015 20:36
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It seems like it wouldn't have been that hard to put mouse-over text on the weapon properties that explains exactly what they do :/
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Nov 5, 2015 20:48
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Zephro posted:It seems like it wouldn't have been that hard to put mouse-over text on the weapon properties that explains exactly what they do :/ Being aggressively bad about communicating its mechanics and expectations is probably this game's biggest failing.
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xthetenth posted:Being aggressively bad about communicating its mechanics and expectations is probably this game's biggest failing. Or it's just sticking very close to the source material 
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Fans posted:Or it's just sticking very close to the source material Having played multiple games based in the warhams rpg system I'm gonna go with this.
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Okay I have literally zero health, I've already gone down once on nightmare, i'm holding a perishable grimoire so I can't die, I will just let my team take care of these six vermin while I turn around every three seconds to make sure I don't get stabbed in the back. Aha! Aha! There's one! there's the rat who will kill me! And he's dead. And now I'm dead. They let one through. They didn't stop the goddamn vermin from waltzing right through and murdering me.
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Fans posted:Or it's just sticking very close to the source material GW vetoed all the tooltips.
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Krinkle posted:Okay I have literally zero health, I've already gone down once on nightmare, i'm holding a perishable grimoire so I can't die, I will just let my team take care of these six vermin while I turn around every three seconds to make sure I don't get stabbed in the back. Aha! Aha! There's one! there's the rat who will kill me! And he's dead. And now I'm dead. They let one through. They didn't stop the goddamn vermin from waltzing right through and murdering me. Last night I played Well Watch with some pubs and they would not stop taking damage. I did not use a healing item the entire level, and in fact used the only healing kit I acquired to patch up someone else. I was the last man standing when we died.
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Wait a minute...are you guys saying that pubbies...are bad?
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Got a trinket that expands the blast radius of bombs by 50% so using it in nightmare and up is useless 😩
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