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I know most people around here use the offline character builder for most cases but if anyone is interested in picking up some actualy physical stuff I'm selling of the last ~20 books from my 4e collection: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3750068 Also I can't believe Wizards is closing their 4e forums, has it really been that long?
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Here To Help posted:Also I can't believe Wizards is closing their 4e forums, has it really been that long? Not just 4e forums, all of them, including 5e and MtG
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Here To Help posted:Also I can't believe Wizards is closing their 4e forums, has it really been that long? Also, they have thus far singularly failed to do so...
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thespaceinvader posted:Also, they have thus far singularly failed to do so... It is really amazing how bad the people who run Wizard's digital end have to be at their jobs. LIke, it is almost poetic in how bad it is.
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So bad that if their one job is to shut something down it stays online forever. I think they actually hired Newton Pulsifer out of Good Omens.
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It's not that they're bad at it, it's that funding does not go into the digital end. This is why they are closing the forums and not replacing them with anything to begin with. Product support for Magic is better, but digital Magic gaming is infamously bad. The core business is selling cards over the counter and the digital end is clearly not seen as an untapped market. People always take a poo poo on the 4E character builder, but at least it exists and largely works. We probably should have had real builder software for D&D in like 2000-2005, but there you go. Now that they are farming out most 5E development, we can only speculate what is going to happen, but it doesn't look like a strong future for D&D under the WotC banner.
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:but it doesn't look like a strong future for D&D under the WotC banner. Good, I hope they sell it off. They haven't done anything good with it since Mike Mearls was put in charge.
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ryan dancey via kickstarter
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chaos rhames posted:Who'd buy it?
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White Wolf seems to have passed hands a few times in the last couple of years, so I imagine there could be a big game/media company happy to have the brand
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The Crotch posted:Depends how well the next Cities: Skylines game sells. 
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chaos rhames posted:Who'd buy it? Serious answer: Paizo. Though who knows if they have the money. I think it's pretty funny the White Wolf's IP is hot enough for biggish video game companies to fight over the it but nobody is buying DnD. I have to imagine WotC has had offers. Maybe they're just stonewalling.
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WotC hasn't and probably isn't selling D&D because the novels and other licensing makes a fair whack of cash. Which is why the support for the actual game has always been pretty spotty, because it's the least profitable part of the IP, which is itself barely more than a rounding error compared to Magic.
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Yeah the main benefit of the new D&D edition isn't with the improvement or iteration with the design/gameplay, so much as simply releasing a new edition period that gets people playing again. They could have reprinted Mentzer's Expert rules except with d20 BAB instead of THAC0, called it good, and it still would've sold like gangbusters* just from the sheer impetus of "hey a new D&D came out, let's start playing again, guys" * or at least as gangbusters as the hobby ever gets
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Honestly, reprinting Mentzer would have resulted in a better game than 5e. 
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Mendrian posted:Serious answer: Paizo. Though who knows if they have the money. Paizo does not have the money to get an IP out of Hasbro. It wasn't a fight, it was PDX offering to take CCP's investment off their hands and CCP seeing a chance to cut their losses on WW. Hasbro will probably never sell D&D until some other HUGE company wants it. They want D&D or Magic to be their next Transformers - which is why both are getting a movie soon. content: Okay, so, goofy gimmick 4th Edition classes. I remember the Vampire - but which others were that strange or approached being that strange? Warden was always weird because of the thing where you'd like, turn half into a mountain goat.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Yeah the main benefit of the new D&D edition isn't with the improvement or iteration with the design/gameplay, so much as simply releasing a new edition period that gets people playing again. I don't think Gangbusters actually did that well for TSR. 
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JonBolds posted:Okay, so, goofy gimmick 4th Edition classes. I remember the Vampire - but which others were that strange or approached being that strange? Warden was always weird because of the thing where you'd like, turn half into a mountain goat. Blackguard's Spirit of Vice (Domination) has a gimmick with Temporary HP. Basically, if you have any, you can deal CHA damage to yourself to add that amount of damage to your next attack. It's cool if you get a feat like Disciple of Stone, so you can start with some Temps after every short rest, or if someone in your party is handing out tons of em like candy. I'm currently playing one with a bow in this PbP and staying out of melee means you rely less on your THP for survivability and can put it all towards damage. You miss out on using your actual at-wills that way, which kinda sucks. But building around DEX also allows you to be decent at Thievery, which is a class skill. It basically plays like a CHA-secondary Thief, but with HP+armor and a THP gimmick in place of a ton of maneuverability.
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JonBolds posted:Okay, so, goofy gimmick 4th Edition classes. I remember the Vampire - but which others were that strange or approached being that strange? Warden was always weird because of the thing where you'd like, turn half into a mountain goat. Fey Warlock, pre- the Slashing Wake nerf, was hilariously stupid in any fight with enough minions past level 11/12. Centered Breath Monk with a Bard multiclass and the feat to let you turn any slide into a teleport became "hit a guy and reshuffle everything nearby into a handy 3x3 killing box for your team". Teleports: Never not fun.
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So if Keep on the Shadowfell is a bad introductory adventure because of all the trash mob fights even if you fixed the monster math, what is a good starter adventure path? Khyber's Pass? I was looking for something within the 1-3, 4 or 5 tops level range.
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The Slaying Stone is supposed to be pretty good for 1st level, followed by Reavers of Harkenwold for the next few levels.
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dwarf74 posted:But no worries! Later in the edition, WotC finally got their heads out of their asses and put out some good ones. The following are Goon-Recommended! Right in the OP
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starkebn posted:White Wolf seems to have passed hands a few times in the last couple of years, so I imagine there could be a big game/media company happy to have the brand The thing about White Wolf is that it's parent company was willing to let it languish in obscurity, but it's former employees still cared enough to buy licensing rights and keep going without them. That is the brand that Paradox bought, and they appear to want to keep the relationship with OPP going. I'm not even sure if a similar situation could work for D&D.
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Kurieg posted:The thing about White Wolf is that it's parent company was willing to let it languish in obscurity, but it's former employees still cared enough to buy licensing rights and keep going without them. That is the brand that Paradox bought, and they appear to want to keep the relationship with OPP going. I'm not even sure if a similar situation could work for D&D. I mean, assuming the price is right, would Paizo consider buying licencing rights? Probably not, I mean they basically stole an entire edition for free 
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Kurieg posted:The thing about White Wolf is that it's parent company was willing to let it languish in obscurity, but it's former employees still cared enough to buy licensing rights and keep going without them. That is the brand that Paradox bought, and they appear to want to keep the relationship with OPP going. I'm not even sure if a similar situation could work for D&D. CCP didn't want to stop producing White Wolf books, actually. They ran into a problem with Icelandic exporting rules - essentially they couldn't produce WW books or other products without it directly taking away from EvE's profits. Hence, Onyx Path. And there's plenty of room for that same relationship with D&D. Pretty much no one involved with the Forgotten Realms is happy with the state of things, for example. D&D even had a similar situation in the past, with 3.0's fansites for the abandoned campaign settings. Can you imagine what the OSR would do to get a license to 1e and Greyhawk?
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Arivia posted:CCP didn't want to stop producing White Wolf books, actually. They ran into a problem with Icelandic exporting rules - essentially they couldn't produce WW books or other products without it directly taking away from EvE's profits. Hence, Onyx Path. Hrm, didn't know about that. Still, the quality of the WoD books took a sharp downturn during CCP's tenure, the CCP/Scribendi years were..uhh.. Changing Breeds.
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As I understand WotC is a massive pain in the rear end to work with if you're trying to make a video game for them, which is probably why you'll never see another Baldur's Gate. None of the established RPG developers want to play second fiddle to WotC when they can just make their own fantasy setting, and the "D&D" brand logo is worth exceedingly little for video games. Dragon Age was pretty much the death of D&D titled video games. Vampire is, perhaps hilarious, most likely worth far more then D&D as far as video game branding is, if just because modern fantasy isn't as bloated as fantasy is.
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ProfessorCirno posted:As I understand WotC is a massive pain in the rear end to work with if you're trying to make a video game for them, which is probably why you'll never see another Baldur's Gate. None of the established RPG developers want to play second fiddle to WotC when they can just make their own fantasy setting, and the "D&D" brand logo is worth exceedingly little for video games. Dragon Age was pretty much the death of D&D titled video games. I will literally never understand this. EA would run the DnD brand better than WotC ever could in the videogame world, let alone a developer who might actually do something cool with the license. I wish somebody would figure out that 'DnD' doesn't have to mean either 'Forgotten Realms' or 'generic as gently caress fantasy'. Games like The Witcher or Dragon Age are better DnD games than WotC will ever make but it's just depressing to think that way. Why are those games more fun than DnD games? Because they create their own universe and roll around in it like pigs in slop instead of worshiping decades old ideas.
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ProfessorCirno posted:As I understand WotC is a massive pain in the rear end to work with if you're trying to make a video game for them, which is probably why you'll never see another Baldur's Gate. So, you know there is another Baldur's Gate coming out, right? http://www.siegeofdragonspear.com/
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jng2058 posted:So, you know there is another Baldur's Gate coming out, right? I do not mean Baldur's Gate the literal intellectual property, I mean Baldur's Gate as the out of the blue, genre saving and genre defining smash hit that it was in 98-2000. That game could be super awesome, but it's going to be mining pre-existing Baldur's Gate fans, not introducing a legion of new players to the brand.
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My apologies if this was from a goon and I'm reposting, but here's all the 4e charop guides.  All credit goes to whoever did the work in the first place. It wasn't me, but whoever it is, I love them.
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dwarf74 posted:My apologies if this was from a goon and I'm reposting, but here's all the 4e charop guides. Hey, that was me! I'm glad someone outside of my groups is using it, though I wish there was a way to replace that folder on Google Drive because I've since archived a couple more pages (backgrounds, themes and familiars), though it might be better to just upload those as a separate folder
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Raenir K. Artemi posted:Hey, that was me! I'm glad someone outside of my groups is using it, though I wish there was a way to replace that folder on Google Drive because I've since archived a couple more pages (backgrounds, themes and familiars), though it might be better to just upload those as a separate folder This is off my own gdrive. If there's updates, link your own and I'll nuke my link.
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Here is the updated folder, then because I have learned how to get google to do that! https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B4YaBeuqOG0qcG94VlhLSmJ1dnc&usp=sharing Pets, themes, backgrounds and the Miscibility table are in this one, plus all of the class guides!
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In the spirit of sharing this thread has embraced, here is a revised Heroic Tier Feat list, organised into Power Sources etc. This takes into account all of the Character builds I could find, and was done before the forums went down.
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Is there a set/repository of pregens I can look into? I lifted the ones from D&D Encounters (Council of Spiders, Dark Legacy of Evard, March of the Phantom Brigade) and others, but I was wondering if there were better ones.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Is there a set/repository of pregens I can look into? I lifted the ones from D&D Encounters (Council of Spiders, Dark Legacy of Evard, March of the Phantom Brigade) and others, but I was wondering if there were better ones. Are you talking about the two-sided pregen cards? Those tended to be fairly underwhelming as optimization goes.
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