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SMP
May 5, 2009

Patter Song posted:

So let's get back from Carson onto a more cheerful subject: Jeb!

So, as you know, Jeb's email address is jeb@jeb2016.com (sadly, jeb@jeb.org is dead). There's something different about Jeb! He actually responds to your messages. Especially if they're about football.

http://deadspin.com/sad-jeb-bush-is-just-sitting-up-at-night-waiting-to-ch-1740751274v

Jeb Bush is waiting up at night for you to email him happy things he likes to talk about, like football, fantasy football, and probably Chinese swords.

I emailed him.

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Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

Maybe I'll drown

Bryter posted:

"So uh, Hillary, about this grain silo theory of yours..."

Maybe someone should inform him that he's the only one saying this ridiculous poo poo

Peel
Dec 3, 2007

Phlegmish posted:

How is BC still in second place, he's just saying the most retarded, factually wrong things that he can come up with.

Faced with the terrifying prospect of his publicity tour actually making him President, he is trying to sink his campaign as quickly as possible. Unfortunately, he didn't reckon with the fact that he was running in the Republican primary.

blue squares
Sep 28, 2007

SMP posted:

I emailed him.



I watch ESPN.

What an rear end in a top hat. Why have a public email account if you're just going to respond with rude, dismissive emails?

Montasque
Jul 18, 2003

Living in a hateful world sending me straight to Heaven

Smoothrich
Nov 8, 2009
Probation
Can't post for 2 years!

Deep Hurting posted:

I notice you have yet to weigh in on your favorite candidate's repeated insistence that the Pyramids of Giza were built to house grain, rather than the bodies of dead Pharaohs.

blacktivists believe all sorts of stupid poo poo about ancient egypt in order to take ownership of classical culture back from whitey

the reason people don't "get" ben carson.. is because they're racist

A GIANT PARSNIP
Apr 13, 2010

Too much fuckin' eggnog


There's a very good chance that Carson is experiencing the same thing as Brian Williams with regard to his childhood. Memory is not static - it's a living, breathing thing that can change every time you recall a memory. It may be that Carson is 100% certain he had this violent childhood when he really didn't.

I have no loving clue on the pyramid thing though.

Necc0
Jun 30, 2005

by exmarx
Broken Cake

but there are plenty of other republican candidates with no federal experience! I haven't been this consistently frustrated since Palin jfc

Bethamphetamine
Oct 29, 2012

Ben Carson doesn't understand why gay people would ever want to order food from a christian restaurant or baker, because shouldn't gays have the reasonable fear that the christian owners would try to poison them to death? It's just common sense, gay people, come on.

*91% of likely republican primary voters nod in agreement with this folksy, sagely wisdom*

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

but since we are small we may-
uh, we may be the losers

Peachstapler posted:

Ron Paul chiming in today to go on the record saying he's "scared to death" of a potential Donald Trump presidency.

Can't blame him. Trump's gonna blow all the gold in fort knox on plating every federal building.

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ

A GIANT PARSNIP posted:

There's a very good chance that Carson is experiencing the same thing as Brian Williams with regard to his childhood. Memory is not static - it's a living, breathing thing that can change every time you recall a memory. It may be that Carson is 100% certain he had this violent childhood when he really didn't.

I have no loving clue on the pyramid thing though.

The stuff about his childhood doesn't really matter. Maybe it happened, maybe it didn't, but you can infer his values from the story and decide whether you want to vote for a person who considers that the key experience of their life.

The pyramids stuff does matter because it shows how he takes in new information and how willing he is to change his mind when confronted with evidence that his knowledge is lacking. Also, it's really funny.

Doctor Butts
May 21, 2002

Guys, I think Republicans are the real problem with this country.

Xenophon
Jun 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless
Grimey Drawer
Ben Carson, GOP frontrunner:

-attacked his mother with a hammer and his friend Bob with a knife
-may not have actually done these things, as his friends think he was a nerd
-has said that the guy wasn't Bob
-has said that it was a cousin, not a friend
-believes Joseph directed the construction of the pyramids as granaries, even though this is abiblical
-called the Big Bang a "fairy tale"
-believes in a six-day creation
-said that Darwin was influenced by Satan
-believes Lucy was just a deformed human
-calls global warming 'irrelevant'
-believes there are numerous vaccines that do nothing
-believes that pediatricians believe there are too many vaccines
-wants to outlaw abortion even in the case of rape or incest
-believes abortion is directed toward controlling black populations
-believes women who get abortions are like slave owners
-believes Obamacare is the worst thing since slavery
-believes Obamacare is a form of slavery
-said he was worried that political polarization could lead to martial law and the cancellation of the 2016 elections
-said we are living in a "gestapo" age
-suggested that the 'control of thought, control of speech' going on could lead to a Hitler-like figure in the USA
-proposed controlling thought and speech on college campuses through the Dept. of Education
-said Muslims shouldn't be president because as president they would have to reject the tenets of Islam
-opposes nominating Muslims as judges for similar reasons
-says all Muslim nations discriminate against gays/women/other religions
-believes that there is no racism; children just need to understand that they have to get a good education
-believes that becoming gay is a choice because men come out of prison gay
-said that Congress should remove judges who rule in favor of gay rights
-compared gay rights to pedophilia and bestiality
-said that marriage equality was a Marxist plot
-said that there should be no such thing as war crimes because the object is to win
-said that Obama intentionally allows in more immigrants because they vote Democratic
-said that people should rush gunmen
-claims that when he was held up in a fast food store, he directed the gunman toward the cashier
-probably lied about that too
-said that the Holocaust was able to happen because the Nazis took away guns from the Jews
-believes Ukraine gave up its nuclear stockpile under the assumption that we would defend them from Russia
-proposes a flat tax based on "tithing" of 10, then 15%
-refuses to address the fact that this would lead to huge budget deficits
-claims that no founding fathers had elected experience; later changes this to the paradoxical 'no federal elected experience'
-is paid to endorse a phony nutritional supplement
-says he has no association with said nutritional supplement
-said Mahmoud Abbas, Ali Khamanei, and Vladimir Putin all met and hung out in their Moscow college days, but refuses to name his source
-said that most students coming out of an AP US History course would want to sign up with ISIS
-explained the genocide of American Indians, internment of Japanese citizens, and atomic bombings in WWII by saying "We're people, and all people make mistakes"

What am I missing?

Xenophon fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Nov 6, 2015

memy
Oct 15, 2011

by exmarx

Xenophon posted:

Ben Carson, GOP frontrunner:

-attacked his mother with a hammer and his friend Bob with a knife
-may not have actually done these things, as his friends think he was a nerd
-has said that the guy wasn't Bob
-has said that it was a cousin, not a friend
-believes Joseph directed the construction of the pyramids as granaries, even though this is abiblical
-called the Big Bang a "fairy tale"
-believes in a six-day creation
-said that Darwin was influenced by Satan
-believes Lucy was just a deformed human
-calls global warmining 'irrelevant'
-believes there are numerous vaccines that do nothing
-believes that pediatricians believe there are too many vaccines
-wants to outlaw abortion even in the case of rape or incest
-believes abortion is directed toward controlling black populations
-believes women who get abortions are like slave owners
-believes Obamacare is the worst thing since slavery
-believes Obamacare is a form of slavery
-said he was worried that political polarization could lead to martial law and the cancellation of the 2016 elections
-said we are living in a "gestapo" age
-suggested that the 'control of thought, control of speech' going on could lead to a Hitler-like figure in the USA
-proposed controlling thought and speech on college campuses through the Dept. of Education
-said Muslims shouldn't be president because as president they would have to reject the tenets of Islam
-opposes nominating Muslims as judges for similar reasons
-says all Muslim nations discriminate against gays/women/other religions
-believes that there is no racism; children just need to understand that they have to get a good education
-believes that becoming gay is a choice because men come out of prison gay
-said that Congress should remove judges who rule in favor of gay rights
-compared gay rights to pedophilia and bestiality
-said that marriage equality was a Marxist plot
-said that there should be no such thing as war crimes because the object is to win
-said that Obama intentionally allows in more immigrants because they vote Democratic
-said that people should rush gunmen
-claims that when he was held up in a fast food store, he directed the gunman toward the cashier
-probably lied about that too
-said that the Holocaust was able to happen because the Nazis took away guns from the Jews
-believes Ukraine gave up its nuclear stockpile under the assumption that we would defend them from Russia
-proposes a flat tax based on "tithing" of 10, then 15%
-refuses to address the fact that this would lead to huge budget deficits
-claims that no founding fathers had elected experience; later changes this to the paradoxical 'no federal elected experience'
-is paid to endorse a phony nutritional supplement
-says he has no association with said nutritional supplement
-said Mahmoud Abbas, Ali Khamanei, and Vladimir Putin all met and hung out in their Moscow college days, but refuses to name his source
-said that most students coming out of an AP US History course would want to sign up with ISIS
-explained the genocide of American Indians, internment of Japanese citizens, and atomic bombings in WWII by saying "We're people, and all people make mistakes"

What am I missing?

That you hate America and democracy?

Smoothrich
Nov 8, 2009
Probation
Can't post for 2 years!

Xenophon posted:

Ben Carson, GOP frontrunner:

-attacked his mother with a hammer and his friend Bob with a knife
-may not have actually done these things, as his friends think he was a nerd
-has said that the guy wasn't Bob
-has said that it was a cousin, not a friend
-believes Joseph directed the construction of the pyramids as granaries, even though this is abiblical
-called the Big Bang a "fairy tale"
-believes in a six-day creation
-said that Darwin was influenced by Satan
-believes Lucy was just a deformed human
-calls global warmining 'irrelevant'
-believes there are numerous vaccines that do nothing
-believes that pediatricians believe there are too many vaccines
-wants to outlaw abortion even in the case of rape or incest
-believes abortion is directed toward controlling black populations
-believes women who get abortions are like slave owners
-believes Obamacare is the worst thing since slavery
-believes Obamacare is a form of slavery
-said he was worried that political polarization could lead to martial law and the cancellation of the 2016 elections
-said we are living in a "gestapo" age
-suggested that the 'control of thought, control of speech' going on could lead to a Hitler-like figure in the USA
-proposed controlling thought and speech on college campuses through the Dept. of Education
-said Muslims shouldn't be president because as president they would have to reject the tenets of Islam
-opposes nominating Muslims as judges for similar reasons
-says all Muslim nations discriminate against gays/women/other religions
-believes that there is no racism; children just need to understand that they have to get a good education
-believes that becoming gay is a choice because men come out of prison gay
-said that Congress should remove judges who rule in favor of gay rights
-compared gay rights to pedophilia and bestiality
-said that marriage equality was a Marxist plot
-said that there should be no such thing as war crimes because the object is to win
-said that Obama intentionally allows in more immigrants because they vote Democratic
-said that people should rush gunmen
-claims that when he was held up in a fast food store, he directed the gunman toward the cashier
-probably lied about that too
-said that the Holocaust was able to happen because the Nazis took away guns from the Jews
-believes Ukraine gave up its nuclear stockpile under the assumption that we would defend them from Russia
-proposes a flat tax based on "tithing" of 10, then 15%
-refuses to address the fact that this would lead to huge budget deficits
-claims that no founding fathers had elected experience; later changes this to the paradoxical 'no federal elected experience'
-is paid to endorse a phony nutritional supplement
-says he has no association with said nutritional supplement
-said Mahmoud Abbas, Ali Khamanei, and Vladimir Putin all met and hung out in their Moscow college days, but refuses to name his source
-said that most students coming out of an AP US History course would want to sign up with ISIS
-explained the genocide of American Indians, internment of Japanese citizens, and atomic bombings in WWII by saying "We're people, and all people make mistakes"

What am I missing?

That he's going to be the next President of the United States

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



Montasque posted:

#bencarsonwikipedia is now trending. He's become meme, and not the good kind.

Thing is his base will stick with him no matter what, and Trump may be hurting himself by attacking gentle Ben.

Are these people that would vote for Trump to begin with? They seem like rather different demographics.

On the other hand, some sort of outsider candidate solidarity might have been a good idea. Trump doesn't need to attack Carson, who will collapse on his own due to the sheer stupidity of his statements. He needs to start working on Rubs.

memy
Oct 15, 2011

by exmarx

Smoothrich posted:

That he's going to be the next President of the United States

Do you agree that the pyramids were grain silos?

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



Xenophon posted:

Ben Carson, GOP frontrunner:

-attacked his mother with a hammer and his friend Bob with a knife
-may not have actually done these things, as his friends think he was a nerd
-has said that the guy wasn't Bob
-has said that it was a cousin, not a friend
-believes Joseph directed the construction of the pyramids as granaries, even though this is abiblical
-called the Big Bang a "fairy tale"
-believes in a six-day creation
-said that Darwin was influenced by Satan
-believes Lucy was just a deformed human
-calls global warming 'irrelevant'
-believes there are numerous vaccines that do nothing
-believes that pediatricians believe there are too many vaccines
-wants to outlaw abortion even in the case of rape or incest
-believes abortion is directed toward controlling black populations
-believes women who get abortions are like slave owners
-believes Obamacare is the worst thing since slavery
-believes Obamacare is a form of slavery
-said he was worried that political polarization could lead to martial law and the cancellation of the 2016 elections
-said we are living in a "gestapo" age
-suggested that the 'control of thought, control of speech' going on could lead to a Hitler-like figure in the USA
-proposed controlling thought and speech on college campuses through the Dept. of Education
-said Muslims shouldn't be president because as president they would have to reject the tenets of Islam
-opposes nominating Muslims as judges for similar reasons
-says all Muslim nations discriminate against gays/women/other religions
-believes that there is no racism; children just need to understand that they have to get a good education
-believes that becoming gay is a choice because men come out of prison gay
-said that Congress should remove judges who rule in favor of gay rights
-compared gay rights to pedophilia and bestiality
-said that marriage equality was a Marxist plot
-said that there should be no such thing as war crimes because the object is to win
-said that Obama intentionally allows in more immigrants because they vote Democratic
-said that people should rush gunmen
-claims that when he was held up in a fast food store, he directed the gunman toward the cashier
-probably lied about that too
-said that the Holocaust was able to happen because the Nazis took away guns from the Jews
-believes Ukraine gave up its nuclear stockpile under the assumption that we would defend them from Russia
-proposes a flat tax based on "tithing" of 10, then 15%
-refuses to address the fact that this would lead to huge budget deficits
-claims that no founding fathers had elected experience; later changes this to the paradoxical 'no federal elected experience'
-is paid to endorse a phony nutritional supplement
-says he has no association with said nutritional supplement
-said Mahmoud Abbas, Ali Khamanei, and Vladimir Putin all met and hung out in their Moscow college days, but refuses to name his source
-said that most students coming out of an AP US History course would want to sign up with ISIS
-explained the genocide of American Indians, internment of Japanese citizens, and atomic bombings in WWII by saying "We're people, and all people make mistakes"

What am I missing?

This is the man who has topped a number of national primary polls

Fricassee
Nov 29, 2004
I have a question in regards to the whole "gotcha media" everyone seems to be throwing out when they get called out on their crazy conspiracy theories / getting asked tough questions. Is this a newer thing? I remember last election cycle Sarah Palin blaming the media for calling her out on her stupid bullshit i.e. "I read lots of magazines but I can't name any / I can see Russia from my house, etc" and crying that the LIBERAL media was trying to make her look bad. And we're seeing a full on assault on the media this time around not only in regards to individual candidates (Carson, Trump) but with the whole debate process. Did this happen in elections prior and is just par for the course by now or is this a newer thing that's coming about in recent cycles?

memy
Oct 15, 2011

by exmarx

Fricassee posted:

I have a question in regards to the whole "gotcha media" everyone seems to be throwing out when they get called out on their crazy conspiracy theories / getting asked tough questions. Is this a newer thing? I remember last election cycle Sarah Palin blaming the media for calling her out on her stupid bullshit i.e. "I read lots of magazines but I can't name any / I can see Russia from my house, etc" and crying that the LIBERAL media was trying to make her look bad. And we're seeing a full on assault on the media this time around not only in regards to individual candidates (Carson, Trump) but with the whole debate process. Did this happen in elections prior and is just par for the course by now or is this a newer thing that's coming about in recent cycles?

Pretty sure Palin coined the term in 08 but I could very easily be wrong

EugeneJ
Feb 5, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

memy posted:

Pretty sure Palin coined the term in 08 but I could very easily be wrong

I think it started before then with Michael Moore's documentaries

Montasque
Jul 18, 2003

Living in a hateful world sending me straight to Heaven

Phlegmish posted:

Are these people that would vote for Trump to begin with? They seem like rather different demographics.

On the other hand, some sort of outsider candidate solidarity might have been a good idea. Trump doesn't need to attack Carson, who will collapse on his own due to the sheer stupidity of his statements. He needs to start working on Rubs.

Most of Carson's support are people who want an outsider, but hate Trump because he's such a dick. By bashing Carson he's not winning those people over.

Instead these people will most likely trickle to Cruz and Rubio.

Tender Bender
Sep 17, 2004

Is tithing actually different than a flat tax, or is it just what they called a flat tax in the bible? Like is there anything conceptually noteworthy about it or is he just saying we should base our economy around what a 2000 year old book says the ancient economy used.

memy
Oct 15, 2011

by exmarx
I'm still pretty sure Ben Carson doesn't even want the nomination

Doctor Butts
May 21, 2002

How come it is only Republicans who complain about gotcha questions?

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ

memy posted:

Pretty sure Palin coined the term in 08 but I could very easily be wrong

EugeneJ posted:

I think it started before then with Michael Moore's documentaries

Larry King, 1992, talking about Stone Phillips asking George H.W. Bush if he'd ever had an affair.

Bryter
Nov 6, 2011

but since we are small we may-
uh, we may be the losers

Doctor Butts posted:

How come it is only Republicans who complain about gotcha questions?

Because they can't debate based on facts, so attacking the people who report the facts is their only real response when cornered.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Tender Bender posted:

Is tithing actually different than a flat tax, or is it just what they called a flat tax in the bible? Like is there anything conceptually noteworthy about it or is he just saying we should base our economy around what a 2000 year old book says the ancient economy used.

Tithing is basically just a tax by an organized religion. I think in the old testament it was a tenth, but no doubt it has varied across the millenia. Also, the state always had its own taxes, even in ancient Israel, so it wasn't like tithing was the only tax people paid. Mormons still have it, but most other religions have to rely on voluntary contributions or their extensive financial holdings or state support.

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ

Tender Bender posted:

Is tithing actually different than a flat tax, or is it just what they called a flat tax in the bible? Like is there anything conceptually noteworthy about it or is he just saying we should base our economy around what a 2000 year old book says the ancient economy used.

It's not a flat tax in Genesis 28:20-22.

quote:

20 And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on,

21 So that I come again to my father's house in peace; then shall the Lord be my God:

22 And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

The Church conveniently substituted giving a tenth of everything to God for giving a tenth of everything to the Church.

Smoothrich
Nov 8, 2009
Probation
Can't post for 2 years!

Doctor Butts posted:

How come it is only Republicans who complain about gotcha questions?

corporate media = liberal media

hillary clinton = corporate liberal candidate

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Montasque posted:

Most of Carson's support are people who want an outsider, but hate Trump because he's such a dick. By bashing Carson he's not winning those people over.

Instead these people will most likely trickle to Cruz and Rubio.

But Carson must be attacked. He's an utter loving lunatic! He's crazy and so goddamn stupid! Have his supporters taken loving crazy pills? How can they believe a word this moron says? This is a man who I'm fairly sure at this point could be outwitted by Sarah loving Palin. He's that crazy.

The Pyramids were granaries? Are you loving KIDDING ME?

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



Montasque posted:

Most of Carson's support are people who want an outsider, but hate Trump because he's such a dick. By bashing Carson he's not winning those people over.

Instead these people will most likely trickle to Cruz and Rubio.

That's the way it seemed to me, Trump is absolutely right when he attacks Carson, but from an electoral point of view it might not have been such a good move. He needs to be thinking about what will happen to the insane evangelical voting bloc as soon as Carson slips into a full coma and drops out of the race. He might still benefit from the fact that Jeb and Rubio are both papists.

Smoothrich
Nov 8, 2009
Probation
Can't post for 2 years!

PT6A posted:

But Carson must be attacked. He's an utter loving lunatic! He's crazy and so goddamn stupid! Have his supporters taken loving crazy pills? How can they believe a word this moron says? This is a man who I'm fairly sure at this point could be outwitted by Sarah loving Palin. He's that crazy.

The Pyramids were granaries? Are you loving KIDDING ME?

are you seriously that loving racist? grow up

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Firebert posted:

One of his links is to this New Yorker article and...jesus christ it gets a lot worse than pyramids :stare:

Still catching up but holy guacamole

quote:

Finally, he argued that the observed motion of the planets in our solar system would be impossible if there had been a Big Bang.

Dude doesn't believe in gravity?

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



PT6A posted:

But Carson must be attacked. He's an utter loving lunatic! He's crazy and so goddamn stupid! Have his supporters taken loving crazy pills? How can they believe a word this moron says? This is a man who I'm fairly sure at this point could be outwitted by Sarah loving Palin. He's that crazy.

The Pyramids were granaries? Are you loving KIDDING ME?

Right, but Trump doesn't need to be the one to do it. There's no need for it. Rubs is the long-term threat here.

Shageletic posted:

Still catching up but holy guacamole


Dude doesn't believe in gravity?

I really, really want to see his views on physics and cosmology

Louisgod
Sep 25, 2003

Always Watching
Bread Liar

Smoothrich posted:

are you seriously that loving racist? grow up

attacking Obama on anything = not racist
attacking Carson on anything = now racist, apparently

NewMars
Mar 10, 2013

Tender Bender posted:

Is tithing actually different than a flat tax, or is it just what they called a flat tax in the bible? Like is there anything conceptually noteworthy about it or is he just saying we should base our economy around what a 2000 year old book says the ancient economy used.

Tithe literally means tenth and was originally paid in kind instead of cash and was the closest thing to a standard tax rate that ever existed in the near east. In western Christianity it eventually evolved to being one tenth of everything you owned by the medieval era, which was known by everyone to be literally impossible to pay without starving for non-nobles. So, the church would be able to legally carry off pretty much whatever they wanted when you died as payment for what you had to be holding back.

Edit: Early Christianity didn't really have it as an institution, given how it was completely decentralized and all. Mostly it relied entirely off charity.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

Bryter posted:

Because they can't debate based on facts, so attacking the people who report the facts is their only real response when cornered.

Yeeup. Attacking the media has always been a thing but it's really escalates over the past twenty years or so. Partly this is because of right wing media like Rush and Fox attacking their mainstream competition ("don't listen to the liberal media, only listen to me"), but the curve has gone vertical in the past few years as Republicans got increasingly divorced from reality.

In Carson and Palin's case, I suspect they are both so divorced from reality that they honestly interpret reality-based questioning as an unfair personal attack.

Smoothrich
Nov 8, 2009
Probation
Can't post for 2 years!
I recently (theoretically) disproved Einstein's theory of relativity and the commonly accepted conceptualization of the universe myself, but you don't see me going around posting about it because Big Science zealots go around trying to lynch people who don't conform to to their 6th grade science textbook understanding of reality, Its very small-minded honestly.

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Montasque
Jul 18, 2003

Living in a hateful world sending me straight to Heaven
Ben Carson is a huge stupid crazy baby:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRXJOFfN7pM

Carson on CNN talking about his imaginary friend 'Bob'.

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