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Dislike button posted:you just don't get it man it's not a real work truck unless it's a 90hp diesel with a crate for a front seat that's owned by a South American peasant. No one in America does real work you see The way I had it explained to me in San Antonio was, you want to be driving the tuck the lawn care companies will be driving in 10-15 years.
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dissss posted:The Toureg doesn't look either very rugged or very distinctive. I think that's the main issue. Also it costs over $40k. At that point why would you not just buy an Audi?
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Giblet Plus! posted:My dad has the Tacoma you're describing, he consistently overloads it and tows with it, and it's just fine. It literally is his work truck. Maybe, but he's really comparing the Tacoma to the global Hilux, which has a payload rating almost double that of a Tacoma and more than most half tons, more than even most trims of the F150 which as Powershift never gets tired of telling us has a significantly higher payload than the Dodge/GM trucks because of the aluminum body. Adding cooled seats and a panoramic sunroof to a truck actually detracts from its ability to do work.
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Mange Mite posted:Also it costs over $40k. At that point why would you not just buy an Audi? the Q7 outsells the tuoaureg around 3:1 in the US, so that seems to be what people do. Even the cayenne outsells it 2:1. Throatwarbler posted:Maybe, but he's really comparing the Tacoma to the global Hilux, which has a payload rating almost double that of a Tacoma and more than most half tons, more than even most trims of the F150 which as Powershift never gets tired of telling us has a significantly higher payload than the Dodge/GM trucks because of the aluminum body. Adding cooled seats and a panoramic sunroof to a truck actually detracts from its ability to do work. You're right, a regular cab 2 wheel drive boxless hilux has a higher payload rating than a crew cab 4 wheel drive f-150 with the lightest possible payload package. What an rear end in a top hat i am. You got me.
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What does body fit mean, the overall evenness of panel gaps?
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Dislike button posted:you just don't get it man it's not a real work truck unless it's a 90hp diesel with a crate for a front seat that's owned by a South American peasant. No one in America does real work you see They dont. They drive to the work site to watch the illegals do it.
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Throatwarbler posted:Adding cooled seats and a panoramic sunroof to a truck actually detracts from its ability to do work. Mine has both of these things and its loving awesome. But the 'work' I bought my truck to do was household truck stuff (5%) and hauling me, my buddies and my hobbies around every weekend and weekday opportunity (70%) and not being a compromise the rest of the time on comfort when the missus is using the daily and I need to run somewhere (25%). Loaded trucks rule for that.
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kimbo305 posted:What does body fit mean, the overall evenness of panel gaps? Yeah.
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Spiffness posted:Mine has both of these things and its loving awesome. But the 'work' I bought my truck to do was household truck stuff (5%) and hauling me, my buddies and my hobbies around every weekend and weekday opportunity (70%) and not being a compromise the rest of the time on comfort when the missus is using the daily and I need to run somewhere (25%). You compromised on comfort when you bought truck
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go3 posted:You compromised on comfort when you bought truck Specd out trucks are more comfortable then a lot of cars these days
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Nov 5, 2015 18:08
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go3 posted:You compromised on comfort when you bought truck You can get a reeeeallly nice F150 for E class / 5 series money.
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Nov 5, 2015 18:37
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go3 posted:You compromised on comfort when you bought truck All cars are a compromise in some way, but have you driven a modern truck? What is it uncomfortable relative to, an S-class? My 2015 Silverado with off-road suspension and tires rides better than either ny 1997 E420 or my 2004 E55, and pretty much any modern car I can think of.
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Nov 5, 2015 18:37
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Full size trucks are comfy, the weight, big tire sidewalls and wheelbase is why.
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Nov 5, 2015 19:14
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I just recently moved down south to a real city with real traffic and I'm finding myself wanting a full size truck more than ever just for the visibility and comfort. Also being able to drive over meridians and other bullshit. Trucks are the best, if you can afford to fuel them.
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Nov 5, 2015 19:21
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It's an arms race, I got tired of hitting lovely pavement everywhere and never being able to see around bigger vehicles. Now I'm running over anything and blocking everyone else's view. In a few years I'll be driving the kid rock truck
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Nov 5, 2015 19:30
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I've busted up my suspension pretty bad thanks to potholes and winter driving too so a truck is very helpful there as well.
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Nov 5, 2015 19:32
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It's not like there's a rule that you have to have huge rims on a car. I had a my first flat from a pothole earlier this year on my car that came with 18" wheels, but never had a problem before that on cars with 15-17" wheels. Although I don't think I ever encountered a pothole of this magnitude either.
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Nov 5, 2015 19:58
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davebo posted:It's not like there's a rule that you have to have huge rims on a car. Most car designers in the last several years haven't gotten that memo. You can get some stripper model cars with 15"s but even the new Accord has 19"s stock (depending on trim). I think we can all agree that wheels that fill the well generally look better, ride consequences aside.
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Nov 5, 2015 20:09
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davebo posted:It's not like there's a rule that you have to have huge rims on a car. Cars got heavier and safety expectations got tighter. A brake and rotor that can fit under a 15" is not going to stop as well as people'd like.
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Nov 5, 2015 20:20
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The brakes on my Peugeot 406 stop ~1500kg* of car quite well, and they fit under 15" wheels. *Which happens to be same curb weight as the ninth-gen Honda Accord.
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Dislike button posted:Most car designers in the last several years haven't gotten that memo. You can get some stripper model cars with 15"s but even the new Accord has 19"s stock (depending on trim). I think we can all agree that wheels that fill the well generally look better, ride consequences aside. Well I do agree that filling the wheel well does look better, but not filling the well on a car will certainly still look a lot better than driving a modern truck. I mean, just look at how filled these square wheel wells aren't:  Given the option I'd much rather be in a v6 Camry on 16's with big tires. And as for seeing over traffic, my trick (it even works in a low Corvette) is to just not tailgate people at unsafe distances. Works like a charm. Besides, most of the time the things in front of the SUV blocking your view is just more vehicles. Pretty dull stuff. Edit: also any vehicle you like can drive over meridians so long as you're traveling east-west. Where I'm from you typically don't drive over medians though. Unless that's a southern thing? Any cop around D.C. would bust you for that in a second. davebo fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Nov 5, 2015 |
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Dislike button posted:Most car designers in the last several years haven't gotten that memo. You can get some stripper model cars with 15"s but even the new Accord has 19"s stock (depending on trim). I think we can all agree that wheels that fill the well generally look better, ride consequences aside. You lost me at the end there. I like some me some meaty tire.  The current condition of most of our roads has seen my BMW basically parked until the snow fills in the potholes. I'll never bolt those 19" wheels back onto it.
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davebo posted:And as for seeing over traffic, my trick (it even works in a low Corvette) is to just not tailgate people at unsafe distances. Works like a charm. ...drive properly ?! 
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davebo posted:Well I do agree that filling the wheel well does look better, but not filling the well on a car will certainly still look a lot better than driving a modern truck. I mean, just look at how filled these square wheel wells aren't: Yeah but that's a truck, not a car, so things like suspension travel are going to take precedence over filling out the wheel wells (unless you put 22s on it or something). As far as your trick goes I don't see what tailgating has to do with being able to see around SUVs at an intersection, especially trying to turn right when there's one on my left. I already know what's ahead of me...more traffic. Not sure why you need to drive over medians either. But enjoy your Camry I guess?
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Wheels are getting absolutely huge because safety regulations are raising belt lines way up the car, so wheel sizes are increasing to keep proportions the same.
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Dislike button posted:Most car designers in the last several years haven't gotten that memo. You can get some stripper model cars with 15"s but even the new Accord has 19"s stock (depending on trim). I think we can all agree that wheels that fill the well generally look better, ride consequences aside. I literally decided to get a base Accord instead of the Sport just to get smaller wheels when I bought last year. DC pot holes are the worst.
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I skipped the performance package on my 'Stang to avoid the staggered 19s it came with. I have plenty of brake already and I like being able to rotate my tires.
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kimbo305 posted:Cars got heavier and safety expectations got tighter. A brake and rotor that can fit under a 15" is not going to stop as well as people'd like. Every time I see some bro truck with blacked out aftermarket wheels that give me a good look at the brakes they look about the same size as a Camry's and would easily fit under 17" wheels, as opposed to the 22"s that the trucks are usually sporting. A quick google yields 13" front brake rotors for a 2015 Escalade, I'm not sure I buy the argument that cars all need wagon wheels now because of their massive brakes. BMW Caliber almost ready to launch http://www.autoblog.com/2015/11/06/bmw-x2-spy-shots/
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Oh man, imagine a world where all you have to choose from is the BMW rondo or the BMW calibur.
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Powershift posted:Oh man, imagine a world where all you have to choose from is the BMW rondo or the BMW calibur. if you add in the mercedes minivan it's called a grocery store parking lot in miami
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Cocoa Crispies posted:if you add in the mercedes minivan it's called a grocery store parking lot in miami The mercedes minivan gets a pass because they made a version with the 500hp 6.2l V8.
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Did somebody say Rondo?
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Throatwarbler posted:A quick google yields 13" front brake rotors for a 2015 Escalade, I'm not sure I buy the argument that cars all need wagon wheels now because of their massive brakes. The Escalade is a truck, not a car, so it has more ground clearance. Whether it needs it or not... Anyways, to get that ground clearance with normal axles, it has a huge outer tire diameter, like 32". With a 20" wheel, that's 6" of sidewall. I'm not sure I'd trust an Escalade to run 8" of sidewall with an 18" wheel. That sidewall vs wheel size tradeoff is scaled down for a car or car-based SUV. A vehicle smaller than the Escalade obviously doesn't need as much rotor, but I think 17" is a fair minimum for the kind of braking performance we've come to expect.
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Powershift posted:The mercedes minivan gets a pass because they made a version with the 500hp 6.2l V8. There's a new Mercedes minivan around here, dude.  500 horse V8 not on the options list.
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Nov 7, 2015 07:24
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RIP R class. I thought they looked pretty cool.
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priznat posted:RIP R class. I thought they looked pretty cool. Four full-size seats on the inside was pretty baller, too. Engine bay is cramped as hell though.
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Engine bay accessibility is not a design goal on a Mercedes-Benz minivan.
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Sagebrush posted:Engine bay accessibility is not a design goal on a Mercedes-Benz minivan. Friar Zucchini fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Nov 7, 2015 |
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Potentially unpopular New Car opinion: I respect Fiasler more than most brands, even the holy duo of Toyota and Honda, because Fiasler is willing to take more development risks and is, despite decades of lovely management culture in both original companies resulting in very real product issues, actually trying to make cool things which are enjoyable on a non-quantifiable level. I don't care that a 500 is empirically worse than a Fit in every practical manner, it's still a cooler car that I'd rather own.
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Wheeee posted:Potentially unpopular New Car opinion: I respect Fiasler more than most brands, even the holy duo of Toyota and Honda, because Fiasler is willing to take more development risks and is, despite decades of lovely management culture in both original companies resulting in very real product issues, actually trying to make cool things which are enjoyable on a non-quantifiable level. I pretty much fantasize about a 6.4L challenger scat Pak on a regular basis even though I know that there are far better handling cars with more HP/lb.
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