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MrLonghair posted:http://www.nmusafvirtualtour.com/full/tour-std.html was the Valkyrie added just recently? Because prepare something to hide that chubby with, best quality 360 panorama I've seen (they also have B36 etc) I confirm how amazingly awesome these are. I just wish there was a list of which planes have the 360 cockpit, so you don't have to poke around guessing.
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SyHopeful posted:Right, they could invade a totally unrelated country on false premises, for example. I mean, I guess we could totally change the subject if you want.
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SyHopeful posted:Right, they could invade a totally unrelated country on false premises, for example. They're doing that already, don't worry. Two different unrelated countries, even.
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Ola posted:That's the *thunk* to which they settle when they're still. You'd think it was straight and level, but no. There needs to be some sort of spin, some sort of gyrating motion to put a flying man and his gauge on the straight and narrow.. When the flight ends.. my dear, when it ends....the gauge and the man, they fall over to the side and they fly no more. I guess it makes sense, you'd want it to be obvious if the gyros crap out.
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Much more obvious (and to the point) is the red "off" flag. The right bank is almost certainly a random position that the non-spinning, non-erect gyro platform assumed after spinning down.
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Nov 7, 2015 09:13
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vessbot posted:Much more obvious (and to the point) is the red "off" flag. The right bank is almost certainly a random position that the non-spinning, non-erect gyro platform assumed after spinning down.
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Nov 7, 2015 12:23
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On the list of things not to tell your passengers quote:
http://www.airlive.net/2015/11/breaking-thomson-flight-attacked-by.html?m=1 Assuming it's accurate of course.
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Nov 7, 2015 12:41
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Niven posted:Assuming it's accurate of course. Well it missed... 
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Niven posted:Assuming it's accurate of course. I have troubles believing the story of an airliner that spots a rocket and dodge it. Or it was not a rocket aimed at the airplane in the first place.
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Nov 7, 2015 13:31
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Cat Mattress posted:I have troubles believing the story of an airliner that spots a rocket and dodge it. Probably some dudes trying for a lucky shot with an RPG...believe El Al has taken a few similar potshots with equal effect in the past decade or two.
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Nov 7, 2015 13:47
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From the Guardian version of the story: quote:The Department for Transport (DfT) confirmed that the incident took place but said it did not believe the missile was an attempt to target the British plane, instead ascribing the missile seen by the Thomson pilots to Egyptian military manoeuvres
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Nov 7, 2015 14:22
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Cat Mattress posted:I have troubles believing the story of an airliner that spots a rocket and dodge it. It's perfectly believable considering the prevalence of RPGs in the region. I can easily see Akbar and Jeff Terrorist firing off an RPG at an airliner and being disappointed when they inevitably missed because it's a loving unguided anti-tank rocket, not a guided missile.
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Ola posted:That's the *thunk* to which they settle when they're still. You'd think it was straight and level, but no. There needs to be some sort of spin, some sort of gyrating motion to put a flying man and his gauge on the straight and narrow.. When the flight ends.. my dear, when it ends....the gauge and the man, they fall over to the side and they fly no more. vessbot posted:Much more obvious (and to the point) is the red "off" flag. The right bank is almost certainly a random position that the non-spinning, non-erect gyro platform assumed after spinning down. The instruments in question are probably unserviceable examples they pulled out of a bin somewhere to fill a partially-canniballized flightdeck, as this is usually what happens after an aircraft lands for the last time and before a decision is made to donate it to a museum. The ADI, HSI and other complex navigational equipment are the most expensive parts of any flightdeck, and never bespoke for the aircraft they're installed in. It's probably worth pointing out that the angles displayed in the aircraft in question are the same that most ADIs show if you push the "test" button when it's powered. The red flag indicates that the display itself is unpowered, not what the status of the INS or attitude gyro is. To that end, there are a minimum of three attitude indicators present in every large aircraft and crosschecking indications is usually a pretty big deal. Older aircraft with mechanical ADIs already had comparators that turned on a little red light on all attitude displays if one of the instruments indicated a different pitch or bank angle. Sadly this did not stop a Korean cargo 747 from flying into the ground north of London about 20 years ago, because Oh, and:  
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Do you know how many planes I've shot down with an rpg in call of Duty though???
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Acid Reflux posted:After 20-odd years, I still use the word "erection" as often as possible in my maintenance paperwork, because I am actually 13. I also try to work in a "cockpit blower" every now and then even though it's not really the right terminology for the flight deck recirc fan. The old AHRS system we used had a directional gyro in the belly of the plane near the CG and 400Hz synchros up to the ADIs. Because of the location of the system, moisture intrusion was a problem. Every now and again, the power would go out in the DG and the system wouldn't come online fast enough. That's when we'd get a yellow caution "ERECTION FAIL" light, and giggle like teenagers. The other fun thing that could happen is moisture in the connector partially-shorting the synchro lines, so the ADIs would spin wildly until the compartment heated up enough to drive the water out, then they'd be solid. Laser-ring gyros with digital outputs to air data computers that output to flat-panel displays just don't have the same character.
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I like to use the term "impotent" for all that new-fangled plastic digital LCD-CANBUS-ASCB barbie crap. You get the idea. Digital planes have no soul.
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Cat Mattress posted:I have troubles believing the story of an airliner that spots a rocket and dodge it. It doesn't say he dodged it, it says it missed. Just because he reacted doesn't mean that maneuver had anything to do with the miss. Edit: But it's a hell of a story to tell at the airport bar, though.
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I stand corrected, thanks! I figured that they are repeaters of a remote gyro platform (hence the identical indication) but did not know that it was impervious to going off kilter after spinning down. And I especially did not know there's a test button that makes the indicators show a certain bank.
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Well, I really didn't want to suggest it was impervious to anything, but the signals from the INS will be flagged as invalid before the gyro even gets a chance to get close to spinning down. That's one of the things they thought of when they designed these systems. As babyeathingsycho says, these systems have interesting failure modes and they really need to be triple redundant for safety. I had one (the same one which I scrapped and is now sitting in a nice cabinet in my living room) which went in failure/test mode very very briefly randomly about once every hour and turned the ATT lights on. Like it had a hiccup or something. And good luck getting a 1972 mechanical ADI fixed in TYOOL 2014.
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The Egyptian government has formally denied the missile story. On the other hand, they're still formally denying there was an explosion, so whatever. The thing that most worries me in the thread I linked to is that "[a stranded tourist] also described witnessing “officials” at Sharm el-Sheikh airport offering tourists the chance to skip the passport control queue for £20 a head." Yes, my continuing faith in the integrity of Egyptian security around the planes themselves remains invisible to the naked eye.
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drat. £20? That's a cheap offer even by third world standards. Re rockets: don't El Al have IRCM systems these days because of that threat?
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Godholio posted:Edit: But it's a hell of a story to tell at the airport bar, though. "So how'd you get into bartending?" "Well this one time I was flying out of Egypt..."
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Your moms dildo etc etc
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That is a Myasishchev VM-T Atlant. A variation of the Bison bomber that was designed for transporting various large objects to the Baikonur Cosmodrome.
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 "Comrade Director, the new engines do not make as much thrust as we were told. I am not sure the prototype will be complete in time for Victory Day parade." "This is unacceptable, Vasily. We must not disappoint the Premier. You will make the prototype fly. I do not care how." "I...well...I have heard that the Ishevsk natural gas plant has a surplus of helium this month. Perhaps there is a way..."
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Arsenic Lupin posted:The Egyptian government has formally denied the missile story. On the other hand, they're still formally denying there was an explosion, so whatever. The thing that most worries me in the thread I linked to is that "[a stranded tourist] also described witnessing “officials” at Sharm el-Sheikh airport offering tourists the chance to skip the passport control queue for £20 a head." Yes, my continuing faith in the integrity of Egyptian security around the planes themselves remains invisible to the naked eye. its a whole new level of incompetence if you decide to conduct missile exercises of any kind, ground to ground or not, near the same airport where people are speculating a missile shoot-down occurred
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LUBE UP YOUR BUTT posted:its a whole new level of incompetence if you decide to conduct missile exercises of any kind, ground to ground or not, near the same airport where people are speculating a missile shoot-down occurred The British flight happened back in August. Not to mention that the whole story sounds kinda hokey. They saw the rocket coming at them and evaded it? I mean come on. Sounds more like something you'd hear prefaced by "So there I was, on approach to a runway in Angola with one engine on fire, 75 passengers including a pregnant woman who had just gone into labor, and a cargo hold full of CIA heroin..."
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C.M. Kruger posted:"So there I was, on approach to a runway in Angola with one engine on fire, 75 passengers including a pregnant woman who had just gone into labor, and a cargo hold full of CIA heroin..." Checks out, except the 75 passengers were Safrican mercenaries and the cargo hold was full of SIS gold.
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Tsuru posted:And good luck getting a 1972 mechanical ADI fixed in TYOOL 2014. In ~2007, we were finding that roughly one in three "overhauled" (circa-1972 DC-10, mechanical) ADIs we pulled off the shelf were DOA in one form or another, either due to poor overhaul, shelf death, whatever. Nothing throws your troubleshooting off quite like swapping an indicator, and getting a DIFFERENT fault.  Finnair parts.
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Sagebrush posted:
It's a booster for the Buran space shuttle.
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CharlesM posted:It's a booster for the Buran space shuttle. That'll give you some thrust.
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C.M. Kruger posted:The British flight happened back in August. Even if a rocket misses its probably a good idea to fly away from the location of people with rockets that may or may not be trying to shoot you down. Incidentally why wild weasel pilots are insane.
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hobbesmaster posted:Incidentally why wild weasel pilots are insane. There's a reason their motto is YGTBSM.
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CharlesM posted:It's a booster for the Buran space shuttle. Or a fuel tank. But whatever.
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hobbesmaster posted:Incidentally why wild weasel pilots are insanely badass. Fixed that for you.
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Godholio posted:It doesn't say he dodged it, it says it missed. Just because he reacted doesn't mean that maneuver had anything to do with the miss. That may have been a RPG, but this BBC article says that the Sinai Province jihadist group has shot down an army helicopter with a SAM.
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Saukkis posted:That may have been a RPG, but this BBC article says that the Sinai Province jihadist group has shot down an army helicopter with a SAM. It says SAM but it cold easily be a MANPADS since they didnt actually say what they were suspected of having and you're talking about a helicopter. The plane was above the reach of a MANPADS.
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